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[RMDY]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58154

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

I can see it now:

Teacher: Students, take home this report card and have your mom(s) and/or dad(s) of any sexual orientation they so choose to please sign and return on monday.

Wait, am I discriminating against transsexuals now?

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

[FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]"Please turn to Chapter 10, entitled Famous Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender people. History tells us that great Americans such as Walt Whitman and Abraham Lincoln were gay and First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt was lesbian. It's likely that even prominent biblical personas were gay, such as King David of Israel and the Apostle Paul. Until this year, the sexual identities of these and other historical figures have been denied by discriminatory textbooks that reflected adversely on LGBT people by ignoring their existence."[/FONT]

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oh my.... this is hypothetical right?
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[David Brider]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58154

It's World Net Daily. That renowned bastion of journalistic accuracy.

David.

 

[Brieuse]

“Arnold Schwarzenegger has delivered young children into the hands of those who will introduce them to alternative sexual lifestyles,” said Randy Thomasson, president of Campaign for Children and Families (CCF), which helped lead the statewide charge against these bills. “This means children as young as five years old will be mentally molested in school classrooms. Shame on Schwarzenegger and the Democrat politicians for ensuring that every California school becomes a homosexual-bisexual-transsexual indoctrination center.”

lol

 

[Brieuse]

he sucked that out of this

220. No person shall be subjected to discrimination on the basis
of disability, gender, nationality, race or ethnicity, religion,
sexual orientation, or any other characteristic that is contained in
the definition of hate crimes set forth in Section 422.55 of the
Penal Code in any program or activity conducted by an educational
institution that receives, or benefits from, state financial
assistance or enrolls pupils who receive state student financial aid.

 

[HaloHope]

WHile the article is of course nonesense written by one of the most biased and ridiculous news sources in the world, I personally think it's a pretty good idea for children to at least learn about different sexualities and transexualism and intersexed people and androgeny as they grow up (maybe about aged 13 or so). These things are facts of life and as long as its taught with the approach that "some people are this way" without saying its wrong or without saying its right, I can't see it being a bad thing at all.

As Ive said before implementing this would hopefully cut bullying of people who are different in high school to some degree.

 

[Zaac]

WHile the article is of course nonesense written by one of the most biased and ridiculous news sources in the world, I personally think it's a pretty good idea for children to at least learn about different sexualities and transexualism and intersexed people and androgeny as they grow up (maybe about aged 13 or so). These things are facts of life and as long as its taught with the approach that "some people are this way" without saying its wrong or without saying its right, I can't see it being a bad thing at all.

As Ive said before implementing this would hopefully cut bullying of people who are different in high school to some degree.

What is it with all this mamby pamby without saying its wrong or right stuff? Do parents sit at home and not teach their kids the difference between right and wrong?

If you're not going to cover the morality of it, don't bring it up. Leave it to the parents.

 

[HaloHope]

What is it with all this mamby pamby without saying its wrong or right stuff? Do parents sit at home and not teach their kids the difference between right and wrong?

If you're not going to cover the morality of it, don't bring it up. Leave it to the parents.

Schools should not cover morality, as morality is entirely down to opinion on these matters.

Shoudlnt leave teaching about this to parents either as most parents aren't equipped to deal with talking about hetrosexuality let alone homosexuality or something vastly complex like transexualism.

 

[Zaac]

Schools should not cover morality, as morality is entirely down to opinion on these matters.

Straight foolishness out of the pits of hell. When has morality ever been based in opinion other than with folks who want right and wrong to be relative to their own mores instead of God's?

Shoudlnt leave teaching about this to parents either as most parents aren't equipped to deal with talking about hetrosexuality let alone homosexuality or something vastly complex like transexualism.

Now I have heard it all. Do tell . Who should be teaching kids about heterosexuality, homosexuality, and transexuality?

 

[MrPirate]

What is it with all this mamby pamby without saying its wrong or right stuff? Do parents sit at home and not teach their kids the difference between right and wrong?

If you're not going to cover the morality of it, don't bring it up. Leave it to the parents.

Yes good parents teach their children that it is wrong to hate people just because they are different.

 

[OllieFranz]

Straight foolishness out of the pits of hell. When has morality ever been based in opinion other than with folks who want right and wrong to be relative to their own mores instead of God's?

The problem with that statement is that we live in a pluralistic society with Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Speech. among other rights.

And a government-funded school system cannot teach only one religion's moral code.

Now I have heard it all. Do tell . Who should be teaching kids about heterosexuality, homosexuality, and transexuality?

You are right. It should be the parents' responsibility. Except that a lot of parents shirk that responsibility. Or are not all that knowledgible themselves concerning some aspects of the subject. It is better for the children to hear the truth from responsible adults than that their only input be speculations and distortions that they learn from their peers or "in the street." If not in the school's health class, then where?

 

[Apollo Celestio]

This will cause problems when some kids go to school saying "My mommy and daddy(the nerve!) say that so and so is wrong" This will lead to very annoying consequences.

 

[Zaac]

Yes good parents teach their children that it is wrong to hate people just because they are different.

There you go with that bearing false witness against good parents.

Good moral parents will teach their kids that God identifies homosexual and heterosexual fornication as sin, and that those different people who CHOOSE to fornicate are committing sin.

And if that's your idea of hate, then hate it be.

 

[Zaac]

The problem with that statement is that we live in a pluralistic society with Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Speech. among other rights.

And a government-funded school system cannot teach only one religion's moral code.

I didn't advocate that they do.

If not in the school's health class, then where?

Nowhere. Plenty of people make it through life just fine without having to have a health lesson on homosexuality and transexuality.

And if a government funded school system cannot teach only one religion's moral code, then it doesn't need to be teaching the immoral pseudo religion of humanism in which everybody gets to decide what is right or wrong for himself.

That's just some straight foolishness. Schools can't teach the moral thing to do, but yall advocate them teaching kids about the immoral. Shameless!

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

I agree that the public school system shouldn't be teaching religious morals, but the problem lies in the sad fact that many children get most or all of their moral guidance from school.

 

[Brieuse]

There you go with that bearing false witness against good parents.

Good moral parents will teach their kids that God identifies homosexual and heterosexual fornication as sin, and that those different people who CHOOSE to fornicate are committing sin.

And if that's your idea of hate, then hate it be.

terrible parents in my opinion.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

sign me up for the terrible parents' club then, I guess. I did notice that Zaac also mentioned heterosexual fornications as well.

 

[HaloHope]

I agree that the public school system shouldn't be teaching religious morals, but the problem lies in the sad fact that many children get most or all of their moral guidance from school.

I personally believe that children should decide for themselves what their moral beliefs are as they grow up. As a hopeful future parent I would obviously warn my children of the risks of certain things (such a unprotected sex, alchohol/drug abuse etc) but in the end their morality would be decided by what they do in life. I dont believe in forced control and discipline of children to the point they are scared to talk to their parents about issues of morality.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

I personally believe that children should decide for themselves what their moral beliefs are as they grow up. As a hopeful future parent I would obviously warn my children of the risks of certain things (such a unprotected sex, alchohol/drug abuse etc) but in the end their morality would be decided by what they do in life. I dont believe in forced control and discipline of children to the point they are scared to talk to their parents about issues of morality.

I understand your point. It's good for children to know the different ups and downs and ins and outs, when they are ready. Morality needs to be instilled by parents, because if it isn't, then it will be instilled by something/someone else. Thanks to television, even inanimate objects can be where they find their moral roots (hope you have the channel locks on lolol). And also there is peer influence, which tends to override morality at times, and if the child doesn't have any moral guideline from their parents, its anything goes.

There is one major difficulty with your approach, I've tried it, and there has got to be a parent/child boundary in place. It's much easier to be a friend, but if you care about your child's future and wellbeing then you have to know when to draw the line between friendship and parental responsibility.

Children are very self centered, even from birth. They are very instinctual, so the common theme is "memememe". If they are never taught to move past that, then they will have much difficulty with social interaction, as well as learning humility.