Discovery U.

[MIDutch]

ID is true. No need to take a course in it.

No need to take a course in it since there isn't anything in ID to teach.

 

[HitchSlap]

Since there are two free courses, perhaps your distaste has to do more with Intelligent Design than the price?

Yeah, 'ID is nothing but creo in a cheap tuxedo.' Unless they've "discovered" something new, not interested.

 

[MIDutch]

Yeah, 'ID is nothing but creo in a cheap tuxedo.' Unless they've "discovered" something new, not interested.

Not really. They closed their "research lab" in Seattle. It wasn't like they were doing anything there anyways. They're just a basic internet Christian apologetics organization now. Last I checked their offices at 801 2nd Avenue were vacant and Seattle was reviewing a bid to tear it down and build a 36 story high rise.

People always forget that the Discovery Institute and the modern ID movement here in the US was started not by a scientist, but by the late lawyer Phillip E Johnson. He was the inspiration and a contributor to the "Wedge strategy" which basically states that ID was a political concept meant to form the pointy edge of the wedge to force ID and then creationism back into mainstream politics and education. It was never really thought of, even by it's proponents, as a scientific concept (though they never really admitted that in public).

 

[HitchSlap]

Not really. They closed their "research lab" in Seattle. It wasn't like they were doing anything there anyways. They're just a basic internet Christian apologetics organization now. Last I checked their offices at 801 2nd Avenue were vacant and Seattle was reviewing a bid to tear it down and build a 36 story high rise.

People always forget that the Discovery Institute and the modern ID movement here in the US was started not by a scientist, but by the late lawyer Phillip E Johnson. He was the inspiration and a contributor to the "Wedge strategy" which basically states that ID was a political concept meant to form the pointy edge of the wedge to force ID and then creationism back into mainstream politics and education. It was never really thought of, even by it's proponents, as a scientific concept (though they never really admitted that in public).

ha.. yep. I read that Dembski left the DI a few years back as well. He got bored with it all.

Read Johnson's book Darwin on Trial back in the day.

 

[MIDutch]

ha.. yep. I read that Dembski left the DI a few years back as well. He got bored with it all.

Read Johnson's book Darwin on Trial back in the day.

Not to worry. Someday someone will recycle all the old ID arguments and pretend they're a new and exciting worldview sure to tear down the edifice of evolution.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yeah, 'ID is nothing but creo in a cheap tuxedo.' Unless they've "discovered" something new, not interested.

It seems that "teach the controversy" never took off. It guess that it was too obvious that there wasn't one.

I wonder what they will come up with next.

 

[HitchSlap]

It seems that "teach the controversy" never took off. It guess that it was too obvious that there wasn't one.

I wonder what they will come up with next.

Good question. If I had to venture a guess, probably something along the lines of 'same facts, opposing worldviews.'

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No need to take a course in it since there isn't anything in ID to teach.

I'm content to just admire it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm content to just admire it.

I know, it is always good for quite a few laughs.

 

[MIDutch]

I'm content to just admire it.

Me, personally, I prefer admiring a good Rembrandt or Vermeer or De Hooch, but if you're into looking at a blank canvas then more power to you.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Me, personally, I prefer admiring a good Rembrandt or Vermeer or De Hooch, but if you're into looking at a blank canvas then more power to you.

Anatomy is hardly a blank canvas. Take the larynx for example...
Larynx - Wikipedia

And the heart is endlessly fascinating.
Heart - Wikipedia

Conclusion:
"I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well." Psalm 139:14

 

[Subduction Zone]

Anatomy is hardly a blank canvas. Take the larynx for example...

Larynx - Wikipedia

Which brings us to the recurrent laryngeal nerve. Irrefutable evidence for an Incompetent Designer.

 

[HitchSlap]

Anatomy is hardly a blank canvas. Take the larynx for example...
Larynx - Wikipedia

And the heart is endlessly fascinating.
Heart - Wikipedia

Conclusion:
"I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well." Psalm 139:14

I’ve taken advanced anatomy courses, and it’s hardly “designed.”

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I’ve taken advanced anatomy courses, and it’s hardly “designed.”

Is that the conclusion of a student, or an atheist?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Is that the conclusion of a student, or an atheist?

Since countless Christian students come to the same conclusion it would be that of a student. Religious beliefs should have no effect on accepting reality. Sadly they often do have an effect.

 

[HitchSlap]

Is that the conclusion of a student, or an atheist?

I was Christian when I was a student.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I was Christian when I was a student.

But did you reach your conclusion as a Christian/student or as an atheist?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I’ve taken advanced anatomy courses, and it’s hardly “designed.”

Of the internal organs the heart reveals design most convincingly.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Of the internal organs the heart reveals design most convincingly.

Not really, though I would like to hear your argument.

 

[MIDutch]

Of the internal organs the heart reveals design most convincingly.

You make it sound like humans are the only ones who have hearts. What's your opinion of earthworm hearts?