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It seems I have more "Job's friends" than anything else.

I have more friends that go their own way than wait upon God.

I have more friends that believe "God helps those who help themselves" than those who stand on scripture.

I get more un-scriptural advice than scriptural.

So this is what I get for advice when looking for a job: "Just find something, anything, even if it's only minimum wage until God comes through. Even if it's less than you need, it's better than nothing. Do SOMETHING! - you don't have to ask God if it's the one you are supposed to have."

It's like providing employment is outside of God's realm. It's like nobody reads the Bible. It's like no one understands submitting to the Word of God in every area of their lives. :(

It's no wonder that in Luke 18:8 Jesus asks: "when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?” I wonder that, too.

No matter what, I will stand my ground, stand upon scripture, and wait upon God.
 

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Huh? That reply just doesn't seem to mean anything.

Job 42:7-9 7http://bible.cc/job/42-7.htm After the Lord had said these things to Job, he said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “I am angry with you and your two friends, because you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has. 8 So now take seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and sacrifice a burnt offering for yourselves. My servant Job will pray for you, and I will accept his prayer and not deal with you according to your folly. You have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has.” 9 So Eliphaz the Temanite, Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite did what the Lord told them; and the Lord accepted Job’s prayer.
 
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There is some truth to "take any job you can get right now." My adult son has been looking for almost a year. I've seen Ph.D's with burger flipping jobs. It may be that God is directing you to take a temp position for a specific reason - someone at that burger joint may need to see true Christianity in action.

That being said, you have to follow God. I think part of the problem is that too many people are telling themselves that God doesn't want them to take a job, when the truth is, they think they are "above" such work. Not saying this is the case with you, but God doesn't give us perfect jobs - He wants us to work with what He gives.

Everyone has "Job's friends," and everyone has been a Job's friend. God DOES provide all things for us, in His time and according to His wishes.

And for x141, if you don't have faith here, you are lost. Faith is the substance of things hoped for, not in things we already have. There will be no need for faith in the afterlife. All will see with clear vision and open eyes.
 
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I can't even get a job for a dog walking company, and I actually did apply for one. Of all the resumes I have sent out I have only gotten one interview and that was for a very small company that had a cat in residence. I couldn't take the job because I'm allergic to cats.

As far as working with what God gives, I'll take what He gives me when I find it or when it finds me.

I have spent most of my Christian walk NOT waiting upon God, but going my own way and making my own decisions. I have made SO many wrong decisions along the way that it has really cost me in every way possible: emotionally, financially, relationships, etc... EVERY way. My problem was that I couldn't bring myself to stand idly by doing nothing while waiting. I was just too impatient, so what I would tell myself was, "Well, I'll just go ahead and do ___fill in the blank___ to occupy my time while I wait for God to get around to answering my prayer." But that isn't waiting. Because I was consistently doing that, God took me through a trial that would teach me to wait. Oh boy, did I learn my lesson. I will not again attempt to jump ahead of God.
 
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It seems I have more "Job's friends" than anything else.

I have more friends that go their own way than wait upon God.

I have more friends that believe "God helps those who help themselves" than those who stand on scripture.

I get more un-scriptural advice than scriptural.

So this is what I get for advice when looking for a job: "Just find something, anything, even if it's only minimum wage until God comes through. Even if it's less than you need, it's better than nothing. Do SOMETHING! - you don't have to ask God if it's the one you are supposed to have."

It's like providing employment is outside of God's realm. It's like nobody reads the Bible. It's like no one understands submitting to the Word of God in every area of their lives. :(

It's no wonder that in Luke 18:8 Jesus asks: "when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?” I wonder that, too.

No matter what, I will stand my ground, stand upon scripture, and wait upon God.

Ecclesiastes 3:1

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

I'm having a season of unemployment myself, although lately I have failed to put much effort into it so it may be my fault. God has always provided work and everything else (when I needed it, not necessarily when I wanted it) so I make it a policy to keep worry out of my life. That rests upon trust, I think. The devil wants us to worry and doubt God. What I know is that God has a purpose for everything I am going through. I also know that when He makes a move, He usually gives me signs about what to do.

As far as fellowship goes, maybe you should expand your horizons and try to meet more brothers and sisters in Christ. Attend some bible studies, for instance, or a prayer meeting. The Lord brings people in and out of my life, and I'm not sure how any of that works, but they are always there to take me deeper into faith. Sometimes because they are supporting me in my efforts to get closer to Christ, and sometimes their attitudes are challenging. :)

I would say, take this to prayer. Ask God to bring some reliable Christians who love Him above all else into your life. I will pray for that too.
 
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I often wonder if I have the friends I do for a reason. God frequently uses me to mentor other believers, so when they speak things to me that don't line up with scripture I always counter (gently) with scripture to encourage them to walk in faith in their own lives.

I LOVE your response - it really shows your faith and the lessons God has put you through. You have encouraged me to stay the course! Thank you!
 
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It seems I have more "Job's friends" than anything else.

I have more friends that go their own way than wait upon God.

I have more friends that believe "God helps those who help themselves" than those who stand on scripture.

I get more un-scriptural advice than scriptural.

So this is what I get for advice when looking for a job: "Just find something, anything, even if it's only minimum wage until God comes through. Even if it's less than you need, it's better than nothing. Do SOMETHING! - you don't have to ask God if it's the one you are supposed to have."

It's like providing employment is outside of God's realm. It's like nobody reads the Bible. It's like no one understands submitting to the Word of God in every area of their lives. :(

It's no wonder that in Luke 18:8 Jesus asks: "when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?” I wonder that, too.

No matter what, I will stand my ground, stand upon scripture, and wait upon God.

It's difficult, I am in the same situation. Right now I'm waiting for a call back...it's been a while but I have to hope and so do you. I'll give you some advice I realized a while back, it's okay to despair over this, but the more you dwell on it the less of sound mind you'll become to find a job. Falling apart emotionally (although it's understandable, I did on more than one occasion) it won't help you find a job. You gotta really try to keep a clear head and go forward even when you receive blow after blow. Because falling apart is not going to help you.

Also keep in mind that you are not the only one in this situation, a lot of people are and for the most part we fall under the radar (no i'm not some 99% dude with socialist leanings) but there is a couple of me and you in every neighborhood. Even the jobs that you would think anyone can get, me and you can't get them. You have no idea how many places I applied heh and never heard from at all. It's tough right now and I'm unsure how long it will be this way, I only know this is some part of God's plan. I'm not just feigning wisdom here, I can feel it and see it. You and I have to hold on, people like us need to hold on to each other as well. I know we'll be here when the smoke clears. Use this time to learn more about people and God. More about the sufferings that people have felt long before you and I. Learn to listen to the cries of the community. If we can learn that and understand what compassion really is: that is it is we suffer for another but we do something about that person's suffering. If we can learn that, we can really do God's work.

As for your concerns about your fellow christians. Many christians don't see this. They tell you "well fix it" or "get a job then". As if you hadn't thought of that already, because they're insensitive to what you're going through. Many of them don't understand the concept of poverty or have grown up dealing with it and have forgotten it in their success in later years. It's an easy thing to fall into, I deal with this a lot. I saw that my church did nothing in the community, and I tried getting the adults to do something. Nothing happened, and i turned the the teens and young adults. I taught them what God taught me and they were inspired and began aiding the poor. When the adults saw this some of them pitched in. We visited a rescue mission that takes in the poor and battered, a place that the church has financially supported for years but never visited. We were the first to not only visit but to actively serve there and to raise money for them. Brought them home cooked meals to eat, shared testimonies. It is well worth it for you to weather the ignorance of many and forgive them to find that Christ can transform and renew their minds and make them into powerful workers for God. We have to be Warriors of God, and that doesn't always mean being samson and slaying many courageously. Sometimes, being courageous is being persistent and steadfast and being willing to try again tomorrow.

I am going to recommend some reading for you, I'll link it to you in a private message.
 
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Great message, God's Fighter - you express the plight of many in the USA exceptionally well. (Me included!) And I, too, have come face to face with the horrendous lack of compassion of many who have sat secure through this economic downturn.

I've been in a trial that has lasted 3 1/2 years so far. It started one month before the economy crashed because that's when I found myself out of work -- but that was God's perfect timing to get me into a career that would help get me through the past 3 1/2 years.

My trial and testing was to teach me unwavering faith -- faith that does not worry, is not anxious, and does not fret, but is confident and steadfast. This is truly an amazing place to be in because it is SO far from where I began. When I started this trial I would completely lose it when money ran out and it looked like my mortgage wasn't going to be paid. I was desperately terrified and anxious as well as double-minded and unstable in faith. One minute I would be OK, the next I would be curled up in a terrified little ball pleading with God to just make everything go away. I failed time after time to be strong and courageous and James 1:6-8 continually convicted me when I didn't measure up.

James 1:6-8 But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord; he is a double-minded man, unstable in all he does.

Those verses described me perfectly and I know that I lost a lot of blessings because my faith turned to doubt. I just couldn't hold on. Fortunately, God provides "training wheels" as we learn - MERCY. When I failed, mercy stepped in and God still took care of my needs. Thank you, Jesus!

Living in unwavering faith is just amazing! It is SO peaceful. That's not to say I don't still have exactly the same financial problems, but I won! I beat off an ongoing spiritual attack that had run rampant over my mind and emotions my entire life. Right at the end of it, I found myself fighting that attack off continually -- multiple times every hour, all day long. It would even start up again in the middle of the night if I woke up. One thing you might think strange is that it was genuinely a blessing to be unemployed while this was going on. I was able to devote myself fully to fighting the battle without the distraction of having to go to work every day. When my faith prevailed, God gave me respite from all spiritual attack for two days -- every demonic voice was temporarily stilled. Like I said, temporarily -- what I deal with now is almost laughable in it's absurdity.

Though I won the battle and learned unwavering faith, I still wait upon God to bring the blessing of new employment and I know beyond doubt that He will. It could be that I may need to find it, but God may just drop it in my lap out of the blue. (He has done that for me before.) I am not blind to my financial condition, but now choose to look at it full on. I do not allow it to shake me. Abraham is my example in this. He had to look full on at his condition and Sarah's, knowing that both were well past childbearing years -- and yet he believed that God was faithful no matter what his eyes saw. This is the way of faith. What we see is inconsequential. Whatever we face does exist, but it can be acknowledged without losing faith because we know that God will fulfill every one of His promises.

So now I wait for God to release His blessing -- I know it's there and I know it's going to be awesomely great because God promises to meet ALL our needs AND give us our heart's desire. That part (choosing my heart's desire), I have given over to God. LOL! I just have too many desires to pick one for myself and I trust God will pick the perfect one for me. I am SO excited to see what's next, but I also choose to wait patiently for it -- for that, too, is part of faith.
 
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Ok by the message of your avatar though it seems you have the very thing faith is based on and yes -He is your rock. This place we inhabit isn't meant to be all we hope it to be but for the road Jesus Christ helps us down. Work is out there and it will happen so this I prayed.
 
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Thanks for praying MarkDVR. Sunday was yet another exercise in spiritual warfare, and sadly that was because of fellow Christians who more commonly try to tear down my faith than build it up. Show me in scripture where it says we are not to seek God and lean on Him for EVERYTHING? Show me in scripture where it says we don't have to wait PATIENTLY for Him?
 
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I can't even get a job for a dog walking company, and I actually did apply for one. Of all the resumes I have sent out I have only gotten one interview and that was for a very small company that had a cat in residence. I couldn't take the job because I'm allergic to cats.

As far as working with what God gives, I'll take what He gives me when I find it or when it finds me.

I have spent most of my Christian walk NOT waiting upon God, but going my own way and making my own decisions. I have made SO many wrong decisions along the way that it has really cost me in every way possible: emotionally, financially, relationships, etc... EVERY way. My problem was that I couldn't bring myself to stand idly by doing nothing while waiting. I was just too impatient, so what I would tell myself was, "Well, I'll just go ahead and do ___fill in the blank___ to occupy my time while I wait for God to get around to answering my prayer." But that isn't waiting. Because I was consistently doing that, God took me through a trial that would teach me to wait. Oh boy, did I learn my lesson. I will not again attempt to jump ahead of God.

Trust me I know how you feel. I went over a year without employment. That year I went through every emotion immaginable. Even my family (most of which are grounded in the Word) encouraged me to get "whatever job I could find," and I complied, not having the means to care for myself was the worst feeling in the world! And while my family said they understood I don't know if they really did or not, I didn't feel like anyone did. I applied for anything I possibly thought I could do. I even tried to "jump ahed of God," like you talk about. I tried moving to anoher state! (I had family in that state and thought my lack of finding employment was due to the high unemployment rate in my community.) Boy was I wrong! I had almost 10 interviews in 2 months and none of them came through. (Obviously I wasn't supposed to be there. My unemployment had nothing to do with the unemployment rate in my community. God was using it to teach me.)

Sometime after returning home I finally realized that 1) Texas is where God wanted me and 2) I needed to trust God to supply my needs. Finally in October I was hired at job I didn't even realize existed and I absolutely love it! Through all this God was teaching me to trust and rely on Him and not on myself. Now I know that everything good is a gift from God and He's not going to let me down.

My encouragment to you is to keep praying, seeking, applying and trust God to provide. He will provide!

One night while praying at my aunts God spoke to me through the following verse; I hope it will be an encouragment to you:

"And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose" Romans 8:28
 
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Hello Janet, i don't know if you've gotten the response you were looking for yet, but if you don't mind i would like to speak openly for a second...

I too have been in the same spot you seem to be in for almost 2 years. Both of my previous jobs closed down leaving me with nothing, and it was very hard to see the silver lining. But, what this all comes down to is what you need. Our Father gives us what we need, and often much much more.. but as for your position in life right now, understanding that God is your foundation and that He alone will call you to do what you need to do, is the most important thing to remember. So much happens, and we think to ourselves "God, i want to follow you, but i just don't see what you want me to do, can you please give me a sign?". There is nothing wrong with this, His children asked for signes all throughout the Bible, but what we have to keep in mind is that no matter how lost we might feel through all of this, He is just sitting upon His throne laughing, thinking, "my dear dear children, they are so worried but they just don't get it... YET".

I know that the last paragraph was convoluted and long, but i was JUST where you are right now or actually i might still be, but it recently hit me. i realized that 1) i couldn't just sit by and wait for God to just HAND me my dream job, i trust that He will give me what i need and seek, but at the same time, we have got to be instrumental in His work. 2) God doens't lie, He simply isn't capable of it. He has told us that He will never forsake us and will supply what we need, and often, what we want. We have to trust in His promise and livve by it, because if we don't trust in it, why should it be supplied? but the condition to this is that we have to be focused on Him and live according to his good Word. I recently got a job interview at the very place i wanted to work most, and this is after being jobless for some time, so i thought, "wow, this must be His plan", so i got so worked up, and expected it to happen, but i didn't get the job. I didn't get angry with God, i just didn't know what to think. then i realized that i just had to keep going until the right thing was found, and now, just the other night, my wife and i came across something online that we are sure is the right thing for both of us, and now we have our minds and hearts fixed, and it's on a righteous path. But i'll tell you, if this doesn't work out, im just going to hit the pavement that much harder to find what i DO belong doing.

Honestly dear, you seem to have your mind and heart in the right place, so don't worry. Everything is going to work fully. As for having Job's friends, i would definately try to help them open up to God without coming off too strong, since that never works, and if that doesn't do anything for them, seperate yourself from them. It's a hard thing to do, but being around like-minded brothers and sisters is a gift, and if you have done what you can to try to help change your friends, and they don't change, staying around them is only going to harm your faith and relationship with God.

God bless you sister. I hope this helps, and i'm sorry it's so long and convoluted. Just remember to keep your intentions and faith correct and you will continue to be richly blessed. As long as i have been unemployed(because i don't take a check from pastoring), my bills ALWAYS get paid one way or another, and i have never worried because i know that He will do as He has promised.
 
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:groupray:As long as i have been unemployed(because i don't take a check from pastoring), my bills ALWAYS get paid one way or another, and i have never worried because i know that He will do as He has promised.
Amen, 'OnceBroken'
This is going to be long, so don't try to read it all, at least not at once.

Oh, how this thread makes me cry, not only for you, Janet, but everyone going through these valleys and faith-tests. They say no one ever grows on the mountains, only in the valleys. I've found this to be so true. It's just that it hurts so much when you're going through. I'm unnaturally hard headed, so my valleys tend to be long and often repeated. I thought they were deeper, but that's only because I was so spoiled and selfish. These are the places where our dross and dead twigs are scraped off.
By the way, I went through the same thing, and my roommates were depending on me for rent. It never bothered me that they were covering for me each time I spent a month too long to find work!
A dear sister suggested that since I was losing jobs so often, I might as well apply for 'temp' work with an agency like her. I objected till I got desperate. You know it turned out to be the best thing for me! I had a recruiter searching for me and calling me, which was so much better. The pay was lower at first, but each assignment was better as I proved myself and got more experience in all kinds of fields I'd never have been able to enter from the street.
This carried me for years, and finally when I was out looking for the job I knew I wanted for a career, I got a call, and it led to a job for the government. I don't need to tell you what the benefits and pay were like. Two weeks after I began, it turns out that the person I was temporarily replacing - died! I know that sounds horrible, but, they were in the hospital with cancer and told no one. Anyway, they bought my contract and made me permanent. I still didn't want the job, but materially speaking... Anyway it's been gone for years, because God had more lessons for me to learn, more character to develop, and I went from house, to car, to street, to mission, to street, to hotel, to street... it just continues like that. Eventually I got an apartment for 5 years, and when I refused to get another bad roommate, my landlord insisted that I just pay what I could and stay!
Next I spent over a year on the sidewalk; but you know, God protected me, and when I ended up in the hospital from a suicide attempt (my 2nd of 4 or 5), it actually turned into a wonderful time of witnessing to the nurses who had to watch me 24 hours a day. I think 3 or more accepted Christ, and several others rededicated to Christ. Here I was with my kidneys dead from poison in intensive care, but it was one of the most gloriously fruitful times I've ever known in my life! While on the street I got chances to encourage church brethren who had been unemployed for years too, and oh, how it broke my heart. We could all see that somehow their situation was actually worse than mine. I had nothing else to lose, after all. So I really had no fear. The only thing that mattered to me, now that everything was gone, was, 'Lord, what do you want me to do in this world?' 'What is your will for me?' 'Give me a ministry!' I used to go to the beach every day and try to talk myself into drowning. I did once, and you know, the water actually lifted me up, still vertical, and set me back down on my feet! I ended up just playing in the water for an hour and praising God! He just wasn't going to let me die. I tried another attempt with poison, and it seemed to turn to water in my system, what was left after purging. It led to another mental hospital where I saw many demon possessed and oppressed people, and it led to a habitual prayer life. When I arrived I had many enemies, but in time, waiting and persevering, God changed everyone around me, and I was actually hugged by the janitor when I left because of my light. I got to do one on one studies with patients, and witnessed to the staff as well.
I think you are in a good place, not because it is beneficial or pleasant, but knowing that God IS MORE CONCERNED WITH YOUR SPIRITUAL STATE AND PREPARATION FOR MINISTRY that you haven't discovered yet, I can see from your story, as with these other blessed siblings of ours, God is doing nothing more than using the unbearable and strange fires of these trials to mold you into his image, to open up ministry doors - small or great, and to get you to focusing on what HE desires, not our estate here.
I read every week about the persecuted martys worldwide - especially in muslim worlds, and they are literally driven by the thousands from their homes and businesses, as in Nigeria, Egypt, India, and Indonesia. They have no income, no home, no food, no expectation but for the enemies to come and finish the job by slaughtering them like animals. But it was for these that Paul wrote Romans 8, and that Jesus guaranteed better provision than sparrows enjoy, and that James exhorted, 'Count it all joy, knowing...', and Peter said that 'these strange trials have only come to forge your faith, and eliminate all that is fluffy about it.' -My paraphrase. It was in my times that were darkest, that my faith became real, my focus was narrowed and corrected, my walk meant something, and heaven became a lot more important to me than when I had a 5 bedroom house in the suburbs with government paid dental. (Now days I just watch my teeth rotting out!) But I don't care, because even if I die... well, you know the rest. I'm already praying for you. Thanks for sharing your suffering with us, your eternal family -:thumbsup::groupray::bow:
 
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