dinosaurs?

[MorganLeFey]

anybody know what happened to them? were they to big for Noahs cruise ship?

 

[SNPete]

anybody know what happened to them? were they to big for Noahs cruise ship?

They probably died out before the time of Adam and Eve.

 

[MorganLeFey]

They probably died out before the time of Adam and Eve.

weren't Adam and Eve created on the 7th day or something like that?

 

[DIVA_for_Christ]

weren't Adam and Eve created on the 7th day or something like that?

The 6th day. Good question about the dinosaurs. I've wondered that myself then forget. I'll see if I learn anything and if I do - I'll pass it on to you!!!

 

[£amb]

anybody know what happened to them? were they to big for Noahs cruise ship?

Could Noah take a full grown dinosaur with him? Is it possible that maybe it was a young one..not a full grown adult. Everybody wonders how Noah fit all the animals on the ark. I heard somewhere...not sure where...that it's possible that the animals were not full grown. So of course they would be smaller in size and not having to eat in massive amounts as an adult would have to.

This is something I heard....not something straight from my lips..

 

[DaveS]

Don't count me on this but didn't God give Noah a choice of which animals to save? You must also remember that it may not actually be that huge a number either. The purpose of the flood was to wipe out all corrupt human life and not to encompass the whole globe, at this time it could be assumed that human life, or at least corrupt human life lived within a small(ish) area. Now this would not require such huge logistical problems as would be immediately imagined. This would be relatively few species meaning maybe a few hundred animals max?

 

[SNPete]

You know as I think about it, if there were dinosaurs in Noah's time he could have gotten them on the ark. The reason being that God is a God of miracles. Is anything to hard for God?

If you think about it, the flood does not make sense from a scientific standpoint. Neither does having every animal on the ark, with or without dinosaurs.

So my thought is, if God wanted Noah to get every animal on the ark, God would make it happen.

It has been my experience that God does not ask you to do something without equipping you for the task. Such is the nature of God. And I believe in miracles.

 

[Davis]

From my beliefs, the dinosaurs where whiped out during the Flood.

 

[ITBM]

Well here we go...

Dinosaur comes from two Greek words. Dino, meaning Monstrous or Large, and Saur, meaning Lizard (Source: Dictionary.com)

Reptiles continue to grow according to the size of their environment and available food supply (Ie: turtle in a small aquarium to a sea turtle).

It would make sense to take baby animals rather than full grown one onto the ark. They take up less space and need less food.

Genesis 6:19-20 Says that Noah only needed to bring birds from air and animals from the ground. I would guess that the animals in the water would fine with a flood.

Genesis 7:2-3 Says this again but he should also gather 7 of every "clean" animal.

Genesis 7:19-21 Says that the waters covered even the highest mountain by 20 feet and everything that lived on land died.

Now I'm going to do some supposition. Before the flood, people lived for long periods of time. Some up to 900 years old. After the flood, people started living shorter and shorter lives. After 2 generations most people lived to be about 120. I'd imagine the same would have been true of all the animals (including lizards).

So if lizards had enough food (pre-flood was very lush) and could grow to be 900 years old that would be a Huge Lizard. Or in Greek, a dinosaur. After the flood they wouldn't be able to grow as big because they don't live as long.

The flood killed all the animals. It would make sense that when the water came from below and above that the crust of the earth was mixed up in this flood. Put some different sized rocks in a bucket and mix the water well. If you let the water settle you'll notice that the water sorts the rocks. The heavier things go to the bottom and the lighter things on top. I think the same thing happened to the layers or rocks around the earth. That's why you find big things deeper down deeper (Like dinosaurs) than smaller things (like mammals and humans).

It would also make sense that smarter and more mobile beings (ie: Humans) would try to get to higher ground and get sorted on top because they are the last to get drowned.

The first points are straight from the Bible. The others are logical conclusions based on observable events (water sorting of material based upon density) and events described by the Bible to explain what we see today.

I hope that helps.

 

[TerryToggs]

Dinosaur comes from two Greek words. Dino, meaning Monstrous or Large, and Saur, meaning Lizard (Source: Dictionary.com)

Reptiles continue to grow according to the size of their environment and available food supply (Ie: turtle in a small aquarium to a sea turtle).

It would make sense to take baby animals rather than full grown one onto the ark. They take up less space and need less food.

So if lizards had enough food (pre-flood was very lush) and could grow to be 900 years old that would be a Huge Lizard. Or in Greek, a dinosaur. After the flood they wouldn't be able to grow as big because they don't live as long.

im sorry, but that doesnt make any sense - dinosaurs were not lizards at all - they were a completely different group of animals, yes when they were named 'dinosaurs' hundreds of years ago people just thought 'huge iguanas' but the skeletal structure points to a completely different animal - more like a bird in terms of pelvis and spinal sturcture.

Crocodiles for example, are NOT dinosaurs - they are 'large lizards', yet they still exsist?

The flood killed all the animals. It would make sense that when the water came from below and above that the crust of the earth was mixed up in this flood. Put some different sized rocks in a bucket and mix the water well. If you let the water settle you'll notice that the water sorts the rocks. The heavier things go to the bottom and the lighter things on top. I think the same thing happened to the layers or rocks around the earth. That's why you find big things deeper down deeper (Like dinosaurs) than smaller things (like mammals and humans).

again, this doesn't make sense - there were more species of small dinosaurs than large ones! and the fossil record shows that dinosaurs got larger as time went on (smallest at bottom, getting larger and larger until the do not appear in the fossil record) - you can't just say they were big and therefore would be at the bottom like the large rocks in your analogy - cause that just isnt true. Human remains are not found anywhere NEAR dinosaur bones. you could say they're smaller and so therefore would have rested higher up. but there are an infinate amount of smaller creatures than humans, below dinosaurs, with dinosaurs, with humans, above humans etc etc.

It would also make sense that smarter and more mobile beings (ie: Humans) would try to get to higher ground and get sorted on top because they are the last to get drowned.

Dinosaurs were supposedly incredibly intelligent animals, and i believe this. hunters such as 'dinonycus' and 'velociraptor' etc hunted in packs and were very social (all evidence points to) much like wolves today. social predatory animals are naturally intelligant and would have outsmarted, and out ran tortoises who average about 1m per 15 seconds. Do not group all dinosaurs into large long necked slow moving animals - many were very quick and very agile. Noah could have taken countless species of dinosaur onto his ark.

sea creatures as you point out, should have been fine in the sea if it were simply a flood - but something like 90% of sea life vanished from the fossil record at that time? i don't claim to understand it all, but i know your theory of 'large rocks at the bottom' etc simply isn't an explination at all owing to the evidence we have.

i don't mean to be harsh - sorry if i sounded it at some points

I am a 'seeker', i dont believe in evolution. but I can't believe in the 'flood' as i have read here, its even less plausible.

I believe something much worse than a flood killed the dinosaurs - and it was no where NEAR the time when humans lived. It can't have been.
but something DID happen the time of when the 'flood' supposedly happened in the bible. it was the end of the Ice Age (about 9000 years ago); Human civilisation appeared about 6-7000 years ago. all over there world. at the same time.

- possibly the best explination i have found so far, ties in with the legends of 'Atlantis', now don't sigh and shrub it off! i can't list all the evidence here, but there is a VERY VERY strong case for an ancient civilisation that exsisted before Egypt, before anywhere else, either on antarctica (pre-frozen) or just off the coast of cuba (which is now submerged). Basically, emerging out of the last ice age, there was a civilisation, an ADVANCED civilisation (accurately mapped the globe etc) which fell victim to great floods. this is documented in practically every single race and belief on earth, from native american to chinese. all tribes in the amazon for example, and old civilisations such as the moas and incas all believed very strongly that their ancient ancestors came from across the sea from an island that was destroyed by flooding. the most compelling i found was that of Antarctica and 'continental crust displacement theory'. which explains that a very large and sudden shift in the earths crust and tectonic plates, shifted antarctica closer to the antarctic circle (Greater Antarctica being fully submerged in it and freezing immediately) and Lesser Antarctica (where the civilisation is said to have exsisted) became very cold indeed. again, with such a violent geological event, you would expect lots of fire, larva, and volcanos etc. again, most cultures across the globe, have stories about the sun being cheesed off and chasing something. the most compelling if i can remember was that of a native american tribe (i cannot remember the name of it) in which, the moon god had teased the sun, who then chased him around the heavens and into the next world (dissappearing for a long time). The consequence of the sun running around, set the 'world on fire', and when the sun god returned to see what he had done to his world, he sent horrendous 'floods' to extinguish the fire. The fact that cultures across the globe had heard of it is explained that the 'Atlantians' had to leave obviously, and went across the globe, integrating with other comunities, teaching their skills (that they learned in their civilisation) and passing down the stories of the flood. This would also explain why civilisation seemed to appear across the globe on every continent almost at the exact same time (which is either a HUGE coincidence, or something like this happened (or God created civilisation.)
The legend of Atlantis says that it sunk into the ocean. This theory, states that it simply 'froze' (much of it would have sunk with violently rising sea levels) but the land did not fully disspear just froze, which would explain why Lesser Antarctica only has an ice sheet a mile thick (and the largest snowfall in the world) - as its only recently got there. Greater Anarctica (who has always been sub-arctic etc has NO snowfall (in comparison) and has an ice sheet of 20 miles thick.

Instead of using this 'worldly' knowledge of different like cultures and ancient beliefs that EVERYONE has believed in a great flood to PROOVE the bible. i've seen it that the bible (old testament mainly) is just another one of the results of tales, legends and history of the 'great flood' from a time where humankind was very young. instead of saying 'yeah see, the bible says there was a flood and all the evidence says there was!' im thinking 'hmm there was a "flood", hmm the bible also confirms that (along with every other source on the planet)

through everything ive read so far, i think that is possibly the most plausible (maybe a god created the 'Atlantians', im not disputing 'creation' (and not assuming or impliing anything to do with a christian god), but i am disputing the stories the bible tells such as the flood.)

if christianity is true, then the bible is true.
if the bible isnt true then christianity isnt true.

is it possible that the old testament is horribly 'corrupt', exaggerated and fantasised, 40 years etc only 2 or 3? I'm sure the historical things such as moses happened, the isrealites etc, but to the great extent the bible promotes them? maybe thats why God had to intervien and cause the 'flood', and make people write the 'new' testament?

The Old testament doesn't make any sense at all. and i blame humans.

 

[Davis]

im sorry, but that doesnt make any sense - dinosaurs were not lizards at all - they were a completely different group of animals, yes when they were named 'dinosaurs' hundreds of years ago people just thought 'huge iguanas' but the skeletal structure points to a completely different animal - more like a bird in terms of pelvis and spinal sturcture.

Crocodiles for example, are NOT dinosaurs - they are 'large lizards', yet they still exsist?



again, this doesn't make sense - there were more species of small dinosaurs than large ones! and the fossil record shows that dinosaurs got larger as time went on (smallest at bottom, getting larger and larger until the do not appear in the fossil record) - you can't just say they were big and therefore would be at the bottom like the large rocks in your analogy - cause that just isnt true. Human remains are not found anywhere NEAR dinosaur bones. you could say they're smaller and so therefore would have rested higher up. but there are an infinate amount of smaller creatures than humans, below dinosaurs, with dinosaurs, with humans, above humans etc etc.



Dinosaurs were supposedly incredibly intelligent animals, and i believe this. hunters such as 'dinonycus' and 'velociraptor' etc hunted in packs and were very social (all evidence points to) much like wolves today. social predatory animals are naturally intelligant and would have outsmarted, and out ran tortoises who average about 1m per 15 seconds. Do not group all dinosaurs into large long necked slow moving animals - many were very quick and very agile. Noah could have taken countless species of dinosaur onto his ark.

sea creatures as you point out, should have been fine in the sea if it were simply a flood - but something like 90% of sea life vanished from the fossil record at that time? i don't claim to understand it all, but i know your theory of 'large rocks at the bottom' etc simply isn't an explination at all owing to the evidence we have.

i don't mean to be harsh - sorry if i sounded it at some points

I am a 'seeker', i dont believe in evolution. but I can't believe in the 'flood' as i have read here, its even less plausible.

I believe something much worse than a flood killed the dinosaurs - and it was no where NEAR the time when humans lived. It can't have been.
but something DID happen the time of when the 'flood' supposedly happened in the bible. it was the end of the Ice Age (about 9000 years ago); Human civilisation appeared about 6-7000 years ago. all over there world. at the same time.

- possibly the best explination i have found so far, ties in with the legends of 'Atlantis', now don't sigh and shrub it off! i can't list all the evidence here, but there is a VERY VERY strong case for an ancient civilisation that exsisted before Egypt, before anywhere else, either on antarctica (pre-frozen) or just off the coast of cuba (which is now submerged). Basically, emerging out of the last ice age, there was a civilisation, an ADVANCED civilisation (accurately mapped the globe etc) which fell victim to great floods. this is documented in practically every single race and belief on earth, from native american to chinese. all tribes in the amazon for example, and old civilisations such as the moas and incas all believed very strongly that their ancient ancestors came from across the sea from an island that was destroyed by flooding. the most compelling i found was that of Antarctica and 'continental crust displacement theory'. which explains that a very large and sudden shift in the earths crust and tectonic plates, shifted antarctica closer to the antarctic circle (Greater Antarctica being fully submerged in it and freezing immediately) and Lesser Antarctica (where the civilisation is said to have exsisted) became very cold indeed. again, with such a violent geological event, you would expect lots of fire, larva, and volcanos etc. again, most cultures across the globe, have stories about the sun being cheesed off and chasing something. the most compelling if i can remember was that of a native american tribe (i cannot remember the name of it) in which, the moon god had teased the sun, who then chased him around the heavens and into the next world (dissappearing for a long time). The consequence of the sun running around, set the 'world on fire', and when the sun god returned to see what he had done to his world, he sent horrendous 'floods' to extinguish the fire. The fact that cultures across the globe had heard of it is explained that the 'Atlantians' had to leave obviously, and went across the globe, integrating with other comunities, teaching their skills (that they learned in their civilisation) and passing down the stories of the flood. This would also explain why civilisation seemed to appear across the globe on every continent almost at the exact same time (which is either a HUGE coincidence, or something like this happened (or God created civilisation.)
The legend of Atlantis says that it sunk into the ocean. This theory, states that it simply 'froze' (much of it would have sunk with violently rising sea levels) but the land did not fully disspear just froze, which would explain why Lesser Antarctica only has an ice sheet a mile thick (and the largest snowfall in the world) - as its only recently got there. Greater Anarctica (who has always been sub-arctic etc has NO snowfall (in comparison) and has an ice sheet of 20 miles thick.

Instead of using this 'worldly' knowledge of different like cultures and ancient beliefs that EVERYONE has believed in a great flood to PROOVE the bible. i've seen it that the bible (old testament mainly) is just another one of the results of tales, legends and history of the 'great flood' from a time where humankind was very young. instead of saying 'yeah see, the bible says there was a flood and all the evidence says there was!' im thinking 'hmm there was a "flood", hmm the bible also confirms that (along with every other source on the planet)

through everything ive read so far, i think that is possibly the most plausible (maybe a god created the 'Atlantians', im not disputing 'creation' (and not assuming or impliing anything to do with a christian god), but i am disputing the stories the bible tells such as the flood.)

if christianity is true, then the bible is true.
if the bible isnt true then christianity isnt true.

is it possible that the old testament is horribly 'corrupt', exaggerated and fantasised, 40 years etc only 2 or 3? I'm sure the historical things such as moses happened, the isrealites etc, but to the great extent the bible promotes them? maybe thats why God had to intervien and cause the 'flood', and make people write the 'new' testament?

The Old testament doesn't make any sense at all. and i blame humans.

The Flood happened at the beginning of the Old Testament. He didnt wipe the people out because of the Old Testament because scripture hadnt even been written yet. He wiped them out because of there sinfull nature and then he promised us that he would never do that again.

 

[TerryToggs]

scripture that we know of hadn't been written yet.

 

[Davis]

scripture that we know of hadn't been written yet.

Moses was the author of Genesis.
Moses came after the Flood.

 

[TerryToggs]

exactly, he didn't live through the flood, and was telling a story - not an experience, as we can see across the globe in practically every culture.

 

[Davis]

exactly, he didn't live through the flood, and was telling a story - not an experience

No but I think God coming down and telling him what happened was an experience. A big one at that. More important than going through the flood itself.

Even Jesus if I'm not mistaken quotes from Genesis and the story of Jonah.

 

[TerryToggs]

why didn't Noah write about it though? the bible seems to me to be very similar to everything else ive read into - legends and stories passed down and eventually written down. 'god told me the story himself' etc doesn't REALLY hold much scope for me as far as i can see - did god come to him in a vision? did god work through his body? WIlliam Blake made many similar claims, considered one of the finest poets ever. he claimed to be a visionary - god worked through him - he saw angels, he wrote things down. he challenged the bible and the church. why is Moses more reliable than Billy? ancient Greek bards used to pray to the Muse godesses for inspiration/take hold of their body to tell the story. they said it was the gods telling the story not them. i dont believe that. why should i about moses?

 

[Davis]

why didn't Noah write about it though? the bible seems to me to be very similar to everything else ive read into - legends and stories passed down and eventually written down. 'god told me the story himself' etc doesn't REALLY hold much scope for me as far as i can see - did god come to him in a vision? did god work through his body? WIlliam Blake made many similar claims, considered one of the finest poets ever. he claimed to be a visionary - god worked through him - he saw angels, he wrote things down. he challenged the bible and the church. why is Moses more reliable than Billy? ancient Greek bards used to pray to the Muse godesses for inspiration/take hold of their body to tell the story. they said it was the gods telling the story not them. i dont believe that. why should i about moses?

Because Jesus talks about Moses thats why. Its all about having faith. This is what I believe. I believe that the Bible is Gods Word. Jesus Christ really did exist and he really did die for our sins on that cross and rose in three days.
Countless times he talks about the Old Testament.

 

[TerryToggs]

Because Jesus talks about Moses thats why. Its all about having faith. This is what I believe. I believe that the Bible is Gods Word. Jesus Christ really did exist and he really did die for our sins on that cross and rose in three days.
Countless times he talks about the Old Testament.

Jesus did exsist. I agree
Darwinism is false. I agree
is the bible gods word? i can't be sure - other than 'Jesus says so' (as someone from every religion on the face of the planet says about their faith)

From these forums i have found that christianity is more of a personal relationship with god than a 'religion', which is very good, because i do not think a creator of all men would endorse a heirachy system (like most other religions). If god spoke to me, i would believe. if something happened which prooved it to me in my heart then i would believe. I'm searching, yet although everyone says 'god will find you' he hasnt so far. why doesn't he straight away? why does it take time? he's infinite and ultimate he should be able to help me

 

[MorganLeFey]

From my beliefs, the dinosaurs where whiped out during the Flood.

so if the dinosaurs were around before the flood...then why weren't they mentioned at all in the bible? just an example here but "Adam and Eve's 15th daughter Evette was picked up by a teradactile (sp) and never seen again"
you think dinosaurs being as large as they were would have gotten some kind of mention in the bible.

 

[TerryToggs]

"P-T-E-R-A-N-O-D-O-N spells 'terranodon'"... childhood song hehehe (a dinosaur very similar to pteridactyl)