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Dinosaurs on the Ark: How It Was Possible

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This guys "argument from incredulity" fallacy might be the worst I've ever seen. His argument is basically:

* If evolution is correct, then how did people get to the places you can't walk to from Africa. (Australia, Polynesia, Americas) [correct answers: Boats about 40000 years ago, boats about 1500 to 500 years ago, land bridge and/or boats 20000 years ago]

* If people came via the Bering Land Bridge open by the sea dropping to cover the northern hemisphere then ~~~ 200 feet ~~~ of ice would cover the Northern hemisphere and well that's just silly. [Reality, only part of the N. hemisphere was covered, but to several *thousand* feet, or a km or two if you prefer.]

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Since the ice age was a northern hemisphere phenomenon, there would be about 200 feet of ice covering our world here in Wisconsin. I find that hard to believe. What natural phenomenon would cause that much ice to cover everything?

This is ignorance of the highest order. The landscape of Wisconsin (and the whole Great Lakes region) is *littered* with features from the last ice age -- the one that allowed humans into the Americas. *Lake Michigan* is a glacial feature.
 
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He spoke about them as actually happening. Why would you attempt to turn what was clearly meant as literal into an allegory?
He spoke about them to teach people some point or some metaphor ("like it was in the days of Noah, so it will be in this generation....").
He was not teaching them geology, cosmology nor relying on any technical details in the story. So why not to follow Him?
 
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Response never given. Adds to the giant list of posts never responded to.*
 
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I see no reason to believe that dinosaurs were on the ark. As i do not believe them to be part of God's creation in Genesis 1. Their coming about more than likely could have been at the same time as the nephilim, which were also killed in the flood.
 
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Response never given.
I gave one, but as predicted, you wouldn't understand it.

Two questions:
  1. Would it even matter if dinosaurs were found on the same horizontal plane? after all, look how they make up explanations for polystrate fossils.
  2. Where are the dinosaurs on that chart in Post 103?
 
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Only works if you want to want to twist scripture. I don't.
 
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1. Sounds like denial to me. And no you didn't give me a response earlier, you simply noted that Mesozoic wasn't in my list, which I clarified shortly thereafter.


As noted in the video above, fossils aren't found to cross boundaries of periods for example, but rather are encompassed within individual formations of specific points of time.

2. Dinosaurs are reptiles and are encompassed in the Mesozoic section of the reptile line.

So again I ask, what is the creationist explanation for this fossil succession?

Option A: Denial followed by obscure commentary on questionable cave paintings and images of an abnormal looking human track inside a t-rex track (as if T-Rex was the only prehistoric species to have ever lived). Occasionally they may even talk about T-Rex DNA being found in fossils, yet they still aren't sure why the T-Rex genome hasn't been sequenced while every other modern species dna has, including whooly mammoths, neanderthals, saber tooth tigers and more, despite research suggesting that DNA can last millions of years. They may bring up polystrate fossils as well, yet they are never able to demonstrate any sort of change in lithology around these fossils that would indicate an upright position through millions of years (as they claim).

Option B: they don't have one.

Option C: they attack fields of anthropology and archaeology by asking silly questions like "what would early hominids and mammoths eat while walking across the bering straight?" As if they have never heard of a thing called grass. Or as if they never had heard of ancient people hunting grazing animals.
 
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Only works if you want to want to twist scripture. I don't.
You are "only" adding to it and extrapolating.

Also, reading ancient texts without understanding the ancient language and culture is twisting them par excellence.
 
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1. Sounds like denial to me. And no you didn't give me a response earlier, you simply noted that Mesozoic wasn't in my list, which I clarified shortly thereafter.
What's Post 65 then?
 
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What's Post 65 then?

It appears to be random commentary without a young earth creationist explanation for why dinosaur fossils are only found in Mesozoic strata.

Here is your response:
"HOWEVER, assuming these two layers are actually that old due to EMBEDDED AGE, then what you are doing is tantamount to dating the dinosaurs by the layers they are found in."-AV

And where or why or how do you think this explains why dinosaur fossils are only found in the Mesozoic?

Or is it denial of this reality?

What is the young earth creationist explanation for why dinosaur fossils are only found in Mesozoic strata, or do you deny this fact?
 
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Another illustration for reference.
 

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And where or why or how do you think this explains why dinosaur fossils are only found in the Mesozoic?
You'll deny any explanation to keep your record intact, won't you?

Okay ... deny this ... dinosaur fossils are only found in the Mesozoic because they went extinct.

To you, the Mesozoic Era was what? 250 - 65 million years ago?

But I submit it was from 4004 BC - now.
 
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* Another illustration for reference *
Yes, I know.

To you, they came one after another after another after another, over a period of n-million years.

According to the Bible, they all came at once within a six-day period.
 
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You are "only" adding to it and extrapolating.

Also, reading ancient texts without understanding the ancient language and culture is twisting them par excellence.
What am I adding? Nothing. It says six days, I believe it's six days. It says the flood was over the whole earth, I believe it.
 
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What am I adding? Nothing. It says six days, I believe it's six days. It says the flood was over the whole earth, I believe it.
These people try hard not to understand; and they're very good at it.

That's what colleges teach nowadays: question everything, accept nothing.

I'm often reminded of an oil-soaked bird, pecking at the hands of the person cleaning it up.
 
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But this doesn't really answer the question because it doesn't say why they aren't in cenozoic or Paleozoic strata. Or proterozoic either.

There are many extinct species that aren't in Mesozoic strata, so simply saying that they are there because they went extinct just doesn't answer the question.
 
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