DINOSAURS! Noah's Flood & other awesome questions.

[RickG]

Did you even read what you linked???


"It is both."

You said it is not a theory. That what I was pointing out. A theory is as good as it gets in science. There are no proofs in science.

 

[Speedwell]

I think what needs to be asked is, "why are your sources deliberately misrepresenting the science"?

AMEN!

 

[Colter]

The amount of radioactive material at the start is neither assumed, nor does it need to be known, as with the Isochron or ATTA methods.


Besides just naming two methods where that is completely irrelevant whether it was or wasn't, scientists in the fields of geochemistry and geochronology are quite capable of identifying whether or not it was closed or not. Its not guess work.


Now talk about assumptions, that one is a real doozie. No, they are not assumed. To begin with it is straight forward physics. Things don't change on their own. Furthermore, not only are decay rates tested and retested ad nausium, decay rates have been measured originating in supernovae hundreds of thousands to millions of light years distant. That is light just now being observed here on earth originated that long ago. Those measured decay rates are the same as we measure on earth today.

Oh! And lets not overlook all the numerous non-radiometic dating methods as well, that when cross-referenced provide the same dates as radiometric. I think what needs to be asked is, "why are your sources deliberately misrepresenting the science"?

They misrepresent the science because church authorities have claimed that their writings are Gods writings, therefor, to question the Bible is a lack of faith.

 

[Colter]

You said it is not a theory. That what I was pointing out. A theory is as good as it gets in science. There are no proofs in science.

I think there are facts in science.

 

[RickG]

I think there are facts in science.

Look, I am not disagreeing with you, and yes I have read the link I provided many times. I just wanted to point out that your comment stated that evolution was not a theory was misleading.

 

[RickG]

I think there are facts in science.

Good grief. Of course there are. I never said there wasn't. Lets just agree that we both misunderstood one another.

 

[Colter]

Good grief. Of course there are. I never said there wasn't. Lets just agree that we both misunderstood one another.

Ok, we're all good.

 

[SnowyMacie]

There may be several grains of truth to the flood mythology of Noah and similar mythologies from elsewhere in the ancient Middle East. About 25 years ago it was discovered (" Noah's Flood" by Ryan and Pitman) that in antiquity the Black Sea was a freshwater lake with a water level at least 155 meters (510 feet) below its present level. It was cut off from the Mediterranean Sea by a silt plug in the Straits of Bosporus. This plug broke through about 5600 BC due primarily to the dramatic rise in sea levels caused by the melting that ended the last ice age.. It created an immense waterfall whose sound was most likely audible for 100 or more miles. The Black Sea basin filled to its present level over a period of several weeks. It is estimated that the shore line advanced at the rate of a mile or more per day. For the people living around the lake it was a catastrophe of immense magnitude. It was likely the single most memorable flood in all of human history. The racial memory of this event probably inspired the Gilgamesh epic which in turn inspired the Noah narrative in the Bible. The evidence for this flood is scientifically solid. This prompted the National Geographic Society to finance an underwater search along the ancient shoreline for evidence of pre-flood human habitation. This search has been successful! A settlement has been found at a depth of 90 meters approximately 12 miles off the coast of Turkey. It is in a remarkable state of preservation because it is located in an area of the Black Sea where the water is completely devoid of oxygen with the effect that biological decomposition does not take place. This means that wooden artifacts such as tools, planks, housing beams etc are preserved intact. What is also quite amazing is that while there is solid scientific evidence for this local flood some 7600 YBP, there is no evidence at all for a worldwide flood just 4300 YBP. One would think that a more recent, more catastrophic event would have wiped out evidence of the earlier Black Sea event. There is also evidence for a similar event causing the flooding of the Gulf of Arabia about 10,000 YBP.

Right, I have heard about both the Black Sea and Arabian Sea floods and that they may be the inspiration behind the flood myths. That, and as well as just likely a bad flood season on the Sumerian plain.

People don't realize that Genesis provides the foundation for the gospel, telling us about God, man, sin, sin's penalty, sin's effects, God's promise to provide a Savior, and the need for a blood sacrifice.

Just because you can find loads of people who reject Genesis as true history doesn't mean they aren't foolish for doing so.

You can reject Genesis as literal history and believe that it provides the foundation for the gospel.

Maybe you should actually have a look for the evidence in stead of just stating it isn't there.

Actually, I used to believe there was evidence. I rejected evolution, an old Earth, etc. I then researched both sides and found all of the evidence on one.

You're just repeating the mantras they brainwashed you with.

I wasn't brainwashed. I researched it all myself, and then took biology at a Christian university where evolution was taught as faked and early Genesis as allegorical. They didn't force us to agree with them, they just taught it.

 

[Hieronymus]

I wasn't brainwashed. I researched it all myself,

Sure..

 

[pat34lee]

Look, I am not disagreeing with you, and yes I have read the link I provided many times. I just wanted to point out that your comment stated that evolution was not a theory was misleading.

Evolution ceased being a theory when DNA was discovered,
because there is no mechanism that can cause the changes
needed. Dinosaur soft tissue was just icing on the cake.

All that is left now is a religion for those who refuse to accept
the fact that God created everything.

 

[pat34lee]

Of all the scientific theories developed in the past 500 years, two of the most powerful and best evidence are the Theory of Evolution and the Big Bang Theory.

Except for 2 facts.

Neither is possible without God.
God didn't do either.

 

[Speedwell]

Evolution ceased being a theory when DNA was discovered,
because there is no mechanism that can cause the changes

On the contrary, the method is well characterized and well evidenced. But you would have to turn to other than Creationist sources if you want to find out how it really works.

All that is left now is a religion for those who refuse to accept
the fact that God created everything.

So you're still on that kick that all those who accept the theory of evolution deny God's authorship of the universe?
Get over it.

 

[pat34lee]

And yet you have a coccyx, for some strange reason.

Because it is necessary, like every so-called 'evolutionary' leftover. Science would
advance so much faster if they realized God knew what he was doing in creation.

The coccyx serves as an attachment site for tendons, ligaments, and muscles.
It also functions as an insertion point of some of the muscles of the pelvic floor.
The coccyx also functions to support and stabilize a person while he or she is in a sitting position.
http://www.healthline.com/human-body-maps/coccyx

 

[pat34lee]

On the contrary, the method is well characterized and well evidenced. But you would have to turn to other than Creationist sources if you want to find out how it really works.

So you're still on that kick that all those who accept the theory of evolution deny God's authorship of the universe?
Get over it.

I've read all your sources. They don't impress me, because everybody
has a bias. Who is paying the bills, funding the research, putting names
on buildings?

Name a realistic way that evolution can change an animal from one kind
to another, and in the frame of time permitted.

It isn't my kick to get over. Either God is creator, author of life, holy, good,
eternal soverign, etc., or he is a liar and a fraud, and creator of death and
destruction. (IOW, the devil) In which case, we wouldn't be here, because
evil cannot create. It can only manipulate.

 

[Speedwell]

I've read all your sources.

LOL! I doubt that. I doubt whether you have ever had so much as a college-level genetics text in your hands.

Name a realistic way that evolution can change an animal from one kind
to another, and in the frame of time permitted.

Frame of time permitted? One kind to another? No, you are in no position to make pronouncements about the theory of evolution until you know what it is that evolutionary biologists are claiming (right or wrong) and what evidence they have. Obviously you don't have a clue and if you continue to rely on Creationist sources you will never learn. That's fine with me, but in the meantime keep a civil tongue in your head and cut out the slanderous comments.

 

[ElxDalto]

It doesn't matter how much you believe there is evidence of a global flood, if there was, geology would have found it. There is no evidence for it. There's no conspiracy, the scientific community isn't ignoring it, it's just not there. On the other hand, the Theory of Evolution is one of the most evidenced and well-supported theories in science. It's not "polluting our youth", many Christians around the world accept the theory.

How about in the Paleozoic layer with trace fossils, vertebrate tracks and such, then finding the vertebrates themselves at the beginning of the Mesozoic layer. How is it there will be tracks to animals millions of years before the animals existed themselves? A global flood is a better answer in that aspect due to the animals running away from flood waters and eventually perishing.

 

[ElxDalto]

As for me, I don't narrow mind my views to the bible when it comes to science. I believe in what is called theistic evolution. I specifically believe that God had intervened during the whole entire process, and made us, human begins, the crown of his creation with His absolute rules for us. Though I recognize modern scientific evidence that we have evolved, He was there on Earth the whole entire time of evolution and creation. Like it or not, there is plenty of scientific evidence from genetics and fossils that we have evolved from apes.

There's also evidence of a global flood. Where I can see the point of view of theistic evolution (I myself believed that before I accepted the Bible as fact) it doesn't make sense when you look at the geological column. Im eating my own words here, I am saying the geological column does exist. I referenced many diagrams of the grand canyon to further investigate that claim I made. In actuality a global flood is a much better answer for the layers of strata and the order of fossil records than millions of years of erosion.

 

[ElxDalto]

Of all the scientific theories developed in the past 500 years, two of the most powerful and best evidence are the Theory of Evolution and the Big Bang Theory.

With many unanswered questions tied to them.

 

[ElxDalto]

@ElxDalto - Apparently, Satan as the "red dragon" was one of the fossils at one point or another.

Ha

 

[ElxDalto]

The Sumerians had a flood legend before the Bible was written.

Just because it was before Genesis was written doesn't necessarily mean the ancient Sumerians were correct on the details. Genesis is God's word.