Dinosaurs evolved into birds.

[Uphill Battle]

Yes indeed they did.

Just look at the way birds are shaped and move today.

hmmm, I can just see a T Rex hopping from branch to branch like a sparrow, or an Allosaurus swooping down from the sky to grab a rabbit like a hawk. or a velociraptor slamming its head into a tree in stacatto fashion, looking for bugs.

yep, the similarities are stunning.

 

[Phred]

hmmm, I can just see a T Rex hopping from branch to branch like a sparrow, or an Allosaurus swooping down from the sky to grab a rabbit like a hawk. or a velociraptor slamming its head into a tree in stacatto fashion, looking for bugs.

yep, the similarities are stunning.

Then Ostriches must not be birds either. After all, they can't hop from branch to branch or swoop out the the sky.

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[TooCurious]

yep, the similarities are stunning.

They are, if you take even a cursory look at the underlying skeletal structure. Try a Google search for "archaeopteryx."

 

[Uphill Battle]

They are, if you take even a cursory look at the underlying skeletal structure. Try a Google search for "archaeopteryx."

you think I haven't looked at archy before? come now.

 

[suzybeezy]

Closing thread for staff review

 

[A New Dawn]

MOD HAT ON!

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Even in our banter, though, we need to remember the rules.

Thank you.

MOD HAT OFF!

 

[TooCurious]

you think I haven't looked at archy before? come now.

What means do I have to determine the extent and direction of your academic inquiry into the topic? I mentioned the archaeopteryx because it is a clear example of an organism with both dinosaurlike and birdline qualities. I thought it would be helpful to you, as you seemed to have some difficulty with the concept.

 

[Uphill Battle]

What means do I have to determine the extent and direction of your academic inquiry into the topic? I mentioned the archaeopteryx because it is a clear example of an organism with both dinosaurlike and birdline qualities. I thought it would be helpful to you, as you seemed to have some difficulty with the concept.

no, no difficulty. I just don't see the evidence as pointing to the same thing as you would claim it does.

 

[TooCurious]

no, no difficulty. I just don't see the evidence as pointing to the same thing as you would claim it does.

I suppose it's fair that different people interpret the same evidence differently. Out of curiosity, when you look at a fossilized archaeopteryx skeleton, what do you see it as indicating?

 

[Lord Emsworth]

Then Ostriches must not be birds either. After all, they can't hop from branch to branch or swoop out the the sky.

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And for Archie it would be pretty pointless to hammer its head against a tree trunk in staccato fashion.

 

[Nightson]

no, no difficulty. I just don't see the evidence as pointing to the same thing as you would claim it does.

So numerous fossils showing a chronological movement from dinosaurs to birds is interpeted differently how?

 

[Uphill Battle]

I suppose it's fair that different people interpret the same evidence differently. Out of curiosity, when you look at a fossilized archaeopteryx skeleton, what do you see it as indicating?

Jury is still out. It IS a rather unique specimin. It's a bird, I'd wager, but the arguments are thick around it. I don't want to be a fool and say categorically it's one thing or another, because the only thing that gets me is someone jumping down my throat telling me what it REALLY is (their interpretation of it...) but I see how it fits a bird (and YES, birds HAVE had teeth, though it's not something you find in modern era birds.) I haven't looked at archy notes in a long while though.

 

[Uphill Battle]

So numerous fossils showing a chronological movement from dinosaurs to birds is interpeted differently how?

"numerous" meaning?

also, they have been interpreted to show a chronological movement from dinosaurs to birds, it doesn't "show" that they did.

 

[Mocca]

Numerous meaning more than 9.

 

[Uphill Battle]

Numerous meaning more than 9.

not the definition, the actual examples.

 

[TooCurious]

Jury is still out. It IS a rather unique specimin. It's a bird, I'd wager, but the arguments are thick around it. I don't want to be a fool and say categorically it's one thing or another, because the only thing that gets me is someone jumping down my throat telling me what it REALLY is (their interpretation of it...) but I see how it fits a bird (and YES, birds HAVE had teeth, though it's not something you find in modern era birds.) I haven't looked at archy notes in a long while though.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

Another question, if you don't object: Do you consider it categorically impossible for birds to have evolved from dinosaurs, or are you simply not yet sufficiently persuaded that such is the case?

 

[Mocca]

Alright, examples. There's nine.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional/part1b.html#bird

 

[Uphill Battle]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

Another question, if you don't object: Do you consider it categorically impossible for birds to have evolved from dinosaurs, or are you simply not yet sufficiently persuaded that such is the case?

Unless I found something beyond what has been forwarded on the subject, now I will not be persuaded. I have found no reason not to believe in YEC, as I do. (waiting for the wisecracks.)

 

[Uphill Battle]

Alright, examples. There's nine.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional/part1b.html#bird

this old chestnut? Yikes.

 

[TooCurious]

Unless I found something beyond what has been forwarded on the subject, now I will not be persuaded. I have found no reason not to believe in YEC, as I do. (waiting for the wisecracks.)

You won't get wisecracks from me on the subject. Even if I strongly disagree with the conclusions another person has reached, I respect his right to hold his own opinions for as long and to the same extent as he respects my right to do the same. Thank you for your willingness to respond to my curiosity.