Dinosaurs after the flood

[Ishmael Borg]

A picture isn't proof.

Where's your proof that the Europeans and Chinese were describing dinosaurs? Give us some evidence for human/dinosaur co-temporality that doesn't come from the Bible (even though I don't think there's any evidence there either).

 

[Jet Black]

http://www.chinapage.com/images/dragon.jpg

Doesn't look much like a dinosaur to me. More like crossing crocodiles, snakes and bats. I would guess that a 20 foot salt water croc would seem a lot like a dragon to people with only bows and arrows and spears as weapons.

The frumious Bandersnatch

iirc the chinese dragon is part (breathe in) snake,tiger,salmon,cameland some other stuff. perhaps it is one of the original Kinds on the ark, from which all modern day organisms got their variety.

 

[Robert423]

Then where are the dinosaur fossils from after the KT incident?

As for dragons etc, there are mythical animals in all cultures. Have you some evidence that a chimeara (1/3 lion, 1/3 goat, 1/3 serpent) ever existed?

Could someone please inform me what is wrong with mythology anyway, and why it isn't (in a metaphorical sense) true?

Fossils do not form outside a flood senario, they can only be formed under large amounts of soil and water with great presure. and each of these must happen rappidly.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Fossils do not form outside a flood senario, they can only be formed under large amounts of soil and water with great presure. and each of these must happen rappidly.

There are other ways that fossil can form and great pressure is certainly not required but that is not the topic of this thread. You do know that most YECs claim that some portion of the fossil record is post-flood don't you? Or do you? I think it is a little disengenious to claim that the fossil record couldn't have formed over hundreds of millions of years without a worldwide flood but that a significant portion of it formed in the few thousand years since the worldwide flood, though of course no YEC can seem to tell us exactly which deposits are flood deposits.

In any case the fossil record is among the many falsifications of the myth of a worldwide flood.
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The frumious Bandersnatch

 

[davyuk]

[edit] fbs beat me to it.

 

[Meatros]

A picture isn't proof.

Did you actually expect a picture of a living fire breathing dragon?

 

[Phred]

Fossils do not form outside a flood senario, they can only be formed under large amounts of soil and water with great presure. and each of these must happen rappidly.

That is not correct. For a fossil to form the creature must be buried soon after death. This can be in any manner, sand storm, landslide, sinking in mud...

The soft parts of the creature soon decay, leaving bones, teeth, wood...

Sediment builds up around the remains. Almost all fossils are preserved in sedimentary rocks, rocks that formed when layers of sediment such as clay, mud, silt, or sand became compressed and hardened over millions of years.

A flood is not necessary.

 

[Jack_Racz]

Where's your proof that the Europeans and Chinese were describing dinosaurs? Give us some evidence for human/dinosaur co-temporality that doesn't come from the Bible (even though I don't think there's any evidence there either).

Obviously you don't understand what I meant. I meant that I can find pictures that prove my side as well.

 

[Meatros]

Obviously you don't understand what I meant. I meant that I can find pictures that prove my side as well.

Pictures of living dinosaurs?

Let's see them.

 

[Jack_Racz]

You sir, need to grow up.

 

[Chevalier Mal Fet]

Of course you can't actually see evolution happening. It is a very long process, compared to which the entire existence of man is but a blink of an eye.

As to evolution currently occurring, without an end result it would not be obvious anyhow. Everything is constantly evolving, the pace is simply not percieved over a timespan of thousands of years.

If you want to see something that appears to be in a transitional state of evolution, see the ceolacanth.

 

[Light in the Darkness]

I meant that I can find pictures that prove my side as well.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd like to see the pictures that you are referring to.

 

[KleinerApfel]

Just to throw in a new thought to the mix - we still have some "dinosaurs" on the planet! The coelocanth (fish) was thought to have become extinct millions of years ago, then they found living specimens, identical to the fossils - no evolution had occured. The crocodile is often referred to in nature programmes as a "living example of a prehistoric creature." No evolution there then. Any changes we see are minor variations within kinds of organisms, or degeneration due to mutations, ie. mistakes and weaknesses - not improvements. No "missing links" have ever been found which stood up to further scrutiny.

 

[Leader of the Banned]

there was no Global flood, Dinosaurs went extinct millions of years ago, so there is no problem there.

You're half right. Dinosaurs did exist probably millions of years ago.

 

[Routerider]

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd like to see the pictures that you are referring to.

Any takers that we'll soon have Kent Hovind pics being posted as 'proof'? You know those grainy, hard to make out, fake looking pictures of 'dinosaurs'?

 

[Ishmael Borg]

Just to throw in a new thought to the mix - we still have some "dinosaurs" on the planet! The coelocanth (fish) was thought to have become extinct millions of years ago, then they found living specimens, identical to the fossils - no evolution had occured. The crocodile is often referred to in nature programmes as a "living example of a prehistoric creature." No evolution there then. Any changes we see are minor variations within kinds of organisms, or degeneration due to mutations, ie. mistakes and weaknesses - not improvements. No "missing links" have ever been found which stood up to further scrutiny.

Both of your examples are incorrect. Modern coelocanths and crocodiles are not even of the same species as the fossil specimens from millions of years ago. Evolution has occurred in both examples to arrive at the modern species.

 

[ThePhoenix]

You sir, need to grow up.

I like his point though. Where's the photos of dinosaur bones (Not fossils, bones). Anything younger then 6000 years seems to leave bones. Fine, I want dino bones.

 

[Sheseala]

The "tail" in Job 40:17 is a euphemism for penis, according to sources modern and ancient. Dinosaurs did not have penises.

Would do we know that? I mean, with the exception of some animals, most male reproductive organs are made up only of soft tissues.

I agree with the euphemism translation, what with the tail and the stones with wrapped sinews seem to suggest something.

 

[Jet Black]

No "missing links" have ever been found which stood up to further scrutiny.

what is a therapsid?

 

[Meatros]

You sir, need to grow up.

Who are you talking to?

If you are talking to me, all I'm doing is asking you to put your money where your mouth is so-to-speak.