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Dinosaur questions
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Don't be foolish. It is one thing for grown individuals to believe what they want, but telling a child to place his faith in a 6000 year old earth, is just setting him up for failure.
If you would lose your fear of God if the world was older than a few thousand years then I must wonder about your faith. Are you telling me that it is on such thin ice? If the world was older than a few thousand years would you stop believing in God? Because it seems that is what you are telling us?
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I believe a day equals a day and a year equals a year unless it is specified otherwise. If it was intended to be taken as ages or thousands of years it would have said that.
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No, it wouldn't, because that wasn't what the Genesis account of creation was designed to do. It wasn't intended to be literally taken to mean days. It wasn't intended to be literally taken to mean millennia. It wasn't intended to be literally taken to mean anything.
In the time when the old testament was being written, no one cared for literal history. In fact, the intellectual concept of literal history hadn't been invented yet. No one cared for the actual events of the past. They were often boring unembellished, and difficult to remember (most history was passed on orally, so being able to easily recall a story was paramount). Instead, the culture dealt in allegorical tales, or stories with larger-than-life events in order to make them stand out and be more entertaining. The Genesis account is an example of this. No one cared how old the earth really was. That was completely unimportant to them. What they did care about was man's relationship with God, and the message that the pagan gods of the time (some of which were given individual days of the week to rule over) were put in their place by a creation tale that clearly explained God's authority over every day of the week. The moral and spiritual messages of Genesis are what count. The literal historical meaning is only read into it by interpreting it from a modern-day perspective (one where literal history matters to us).
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Welcome to the wonderful world of internet forums. Dannager is relaying the typical revisionist party line. What it fails to take into account is the uniqueness of the Hebrew people and the one true God's interaction with them.
The Hebrew people were different. Over and over God emphasized the need to remember real history -- to commemorate it with altars, festivals, wells, etc. They were commanded to teach it to their children. As they grew up - they walked by real places and remembered that, unlike the heathen gods around them, their God had interacted with them in real ways, in real history, and that they were called on to be unique, special, His people.
The Hebrew people were different. Over and over God emphasized the need to remember real history -- to commemorate it with altars, festivals, wells, etc. They were commanded to teach it to their children. As they grew up - they walked by real places and remembered that, unlike the heathen gods around them, their God had interacted with them in real ways, in real history, and that they were called on to be unique, special, His people.
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Interesting. I must say that I do disagree. Unless you can show me in the Bible that it is symbolic in nature I must interpret it literally.
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No. There are many different dating techniques that have been done on both the dinosaur fossils and the rocks in which they were found. Both give results indicating ages of millions of years.
A good way to help understand the basics of it is by imagining a bucket of water with a hole in it. There's a constant dripping of water from the hole. If you know the volume of the bucket and the rate of water loss and the present volume of water, you can work out how long ago the bucket was filled. Radio dating works kinda like that, but remember that this analogy isn't perfect.
There's no evidence to suggest that humans lived alongside dinosaurs. Human fossils and dinosaur fossils are never found in the same rocks, and all human fossils are dated to be much younger than dinosaurs. The "behemoth" described in Job may not describe a dinosaur either. Various translations differe in the passage in question, and there is a wide range of possible candidates for the behemoth, such as crocodiles, hippos etc.
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I believe the Behemoth and Leviathan are one and the same. Just like the Puma, Cougar, Mountain Lion and Northern Panther. By this, I'm fairly sure it's a snapping turtle (Job 41:15-17
"His back has rows of shields
tightly sealed together;
16 each is so close to the next
that no air can pass between.
17 They are joined fast to one another;
they cling together and cannot be parted."
"His back has rows of shields
tightly sealed together;
16 each is so close to the next
that no air can pass between.
17 They are joined fast to one another;
they cling together and cannot be parted."
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Interestingly enough, those knobbly bits on the back of a crocodile are called 'scutes', arising from the Latin word of 'scutum' which means shield. And they certainly do look like shields.
I don't understand why Behemoth and Leviathan have to be taken literally. The whole literature around them screams myth. The primeval kings of the animals. Perhaps amalgations of different animals, but also uniquely separate:
Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out.
I've never seen a whale with scales or fire leaping from his mouth.
I don't understand why Behemoth and Leviathan have to be taken literally. The whole literature around them screams myth. The primeval kings of the animals. Perhaps amalgations of different animals, but also uniquely separate:
Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out.
I've never seen a whale with scales or fire leaping from his mouth.
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Do you believe the Sun revolves around the Earth? The Bible says that to be the case. Why don't you interpret that literally?
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