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It was not the fabric of the physical universe that changed, we are the change! Everything we see is pretty different from what it will be or was! This is what you guys seem to mis. Light never changed, since we were split, and it came to be in the physical only universe. If it changed, after that, we would know. Get it?ImmortalTechnique said:....
you're making a claim- namely that sometime in the past the laws of physics all changed dramatically
can you show any evidence of this? one would think such a dramatic change in the very fabric of the universe would show some signs
It was not the fabric of the physical universe that changed, we are the change! Everything we see is pretty different from what it will be or was! This is what you guys seem to mis. Light never changed, since we were split, and it came to be in the physical only universe. If it changed, after that, we would know. Get it?
I dispute it plenty. Men recorded it, like say, the media reports on something.ImmortalTechnique said:and furthermore, we know that the bible was written by humans... biblical literalists don't dispute this... they say moses wrote the pentetuach, that men wrote the gospels...
People try it, and tap into the power, and it works like a house on fire! There is something hiding in those pages that is detectable, and testable. Christians put it to the test all the time, to see if God be God, and if these things be so. They are words tried in the fire over and over, and devoid of impurities.they also claim that these men were inspired by god. the authorship of men is not in dispute. it is the inspiration of god that needs authentification
dad said:People try it, and tap into the power, and it works like a house on fire!
Our detection can only start at the split, where it became as it now is, physical only. This is the reason that you cannot prove that the past was PO. If we want to understand what the merged universe is like, which is also spiritual, we must understand something of the spiritual! I do. At least a bit, as the bible eludicates, on some properties, and traits of the merged world. You, using only natural assumptions, based on how it now is, can only imagine what that unknown was like. The evidences we have can and do not tell us about this time, except as subject to interpretation. Yours, or mine. The wild claim is that the past was PO, and you cannot prove or disprove that, just claim it.ImmortalTechnique said:ahhh, so you're making a wild claim, and also claiming that there is no way we could ever detect any evidence of such...
Wrong! They show us species changed, but over how much time is only a matter of assumptions.and that all the independent lines of evidence that all show the same thing (an old earth on which species changed over time)
I don't know what you mean. If you mean the fossils of changing species, no. They changed fast in that different world.ALL were affected IN THE SAME WAY to give THE SAME ANSWERS by this merge that we can't detect, understand, or test for?
Actually, it is in step with the science we have.wow, dad... that's some GOOD science
To some, God is a crazy proposition. To others, Granny is a crazy propositon. It is mind boggling that we could have missed the biggest factor of them all, but we did. Time to realize it, deal with it, rejoice that we have a clearer grasp of the past, and move on.i honestly think that dad is an evolutionist showing the intellectual dishonesty and neccessity for crazy propositions to support a young earth hypothesis... not even a creationist could buy the stuff he says
No, I mean there is power in that plug. Creative, constructive power that does wonders. It may look like other wall sockets, but this baby has juice.ImmortalTechnique said:you mean the support structures collapse and it kills many people in horrible ways?
now we agree on something
Hence, your split universes are a fantasy and your interpretation suggests that you suffer from some severe form of dementia.dad said:The evidences we have can and do not tell us about this time, except as subject to interpretation.
No, the matter of time was settled long ago and is verifiable with mountains of evidence, as is the fact that species change over time.dad said:They show us species changed, but over how much time is only a matter of assumptions.
No, your thinking is not in step with anything remotely scientific.dad said:Actually, it is in step with the science we have.
Some of us do have a clearer grasp of the past, while others still believe in YEC fantasies.dad said:Time to realize it, deal with it, rejoice that we have a clearer grasp of the past, and move on.
No more than you do with your interpretations of the evidence. Get it?TheNewAge said:Hence, your split universes are a fantasy and your interpretation suggests that you suffer from some severe form of dementia.
No, you only think and believe it was. Species change, so what?No, the matter of time was settled long ago and is verifiable with mountains of evidence, as is the fact that species change over time.
Is to.No, your thinking is not in step with anything remotely scientific.
That's what you think, but can't back it up.Some of us do have a clearer grasp of the past, ...
dad said:Is to.
That's what you think, but can't back it up.
Sometimes people giving curt little statements need a little dose of the same.Caphi said:Is that really the best you can do?
No, YOU can't back YOUR belief up. Evidence for our viewpoint is right in front of you. Is that the best you can do?No, YOU can't back YOUR belief up. Evidence for our viewpoint is right in front of you.
dad said:Sometimes people giving curt little statements need a little dose of the same.
No, YOU can't back YOUR belief up. Evidence for our viewpoint is right in front of you. Is that the best you can do?
So you renounce the big bang, then? I don't see the laws of physics changing, just appearing and disappearing from the scene as they are.Caphi said:And sometimes people giving random babble about the laws of physics changing in strange, unproven and self-contradictory ways need a little dose of reality.
Really? Evidence for a PO past? Where?Really? Evidence for a massive and arbitrary alteration in the laws of physics? Where?
dad said:It was not the fabric of the physical universe that changed, we are the change! Everything we see is pretty different from what it will be or was! This is what you guys seem to mis. Light never changed, since we were split, and it came to be in the physical only universe. If it changed, after that, we would know. Get it?
The spiritual world is real, and not really to be compared to a computer game, if that is what you refer to there. Although, the two are somewhat linked, it seems! I remember some years ago, I think 3 or 4, in Japan, many many people suffered seizures, and hospitals were having a problem coping. It was after veiwing a show on TV, based if memory serves on a Nintendo type character. When people saw it on the screen, I think it was a few hundred had seizures! I take that as some spiritual connection, myself.DJ_Ghost said:Yes I get it, it was the premise of the RPG "Kult", more or less. The thing is I've never seen any one actualy take it as fact before.
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dad said:The spiritual world is real,...
dad said:and not really to be compared to a computer game, if that is what you refer to there.
dad said:Although, the two are somewhat linked, it seems! I remember some years ago, I think 3 or 4, in Japan, many many people suffered seizures, and hospitals were having a problem coping. It was after viewing a show on TV, based if memory serves on a Nintendo type character. When people saw it on the screen, I think it was a few hundred had seizures! I take that as some spiritual connection, myself.
I'd rather check what you believe in.DJ_Ghost said:Check my faith Icon.
Well, if you can't come up with any bible criticisms, or scientific, I guess obscure games are the way to go! Do you think heaven as a real place, and the new heavens talked of in the bible are ficticious too? Do you think Heaven, our eternal home is going to be in a decay and death filled PO universe like the present? You want to sit there sniping, saying you are christian, you better do more than accuse, insult, and whine!Actually Kult was a pen and paper game, but I understand most people don’t know about pen and paper RPGs. Any way I was not comparing the spiritual world to a game, I was comparing your fictitious version of it to their fictitious version of it.
Says you. Let me ask do you even believe in spirits, and possesion?The incident you mention had nothing to do with a spiritual connection,
You normally induce something that is there to start with. If lights trigger a spiritual attack, don't blame the lights.seizures can be induced by flashing lights cycling at a certain rate, as is well known, the shows flashing backgrounds induced these petit mal seizures.
I think in some cases it is a spiritual influence at work. Some people say same sex oriented people have a difference in their brains, if I heard right. That begs the question, what came first, the difference, or the yielding to certain spiritual influences?Ever heard of epilepsy? Or do you think that has something to do with demonic possession rather than brain tissue scaring?
dad said:So you renounce the big bang, then? I don't see the laws of physics changing, just appearing and disappearing from the scene as they are.
Pay attention, dad. The unified force theories which occured near time zero ARE evidenced by particle accelerators and experiments, and are NOT self-contradictory and in fact make mathematical and theoretical sense. Nor are they ad-hoc made up like yours.
Really? Evidence for a PO past? Where?
It's unnecessary. You've produced no evidence that this may not be the case, and Occam's Razor gives that as the default position in the absence of contrary evidence.
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