Dimmu Borgir...

[Asse]

Trixfixion,

I did know that fact. And indeed it is an endless conversation.

 

[MetalBlade]

They never sold out! Thye just got more cerative and decided to not sound the same on every album. I'm so tired of people whom don't understand talent and just have a herd mentality that all black metal should sound alike, Dimmu is one of the few bands that are unique and totally their own sound{or were-until other bands started emulating them, so they spent all their hard earned cash to pay off big orchestras to help them make a coupe really huge and unique albums; they are dedicated to their art and to satifiying both themselves and their fans w/great and creative,unique music. They are'nt different people because they are so creative, in fact quite the opposite. People whom don't like creative minds in metal should learn to shut up and go back to listening to all their bands that sound exactly the same}.

Peace

Oh, and ASSE, read the post above this one.

In Reason:
Trifixion

Wooooo,take a chill pill, k. I don't mind the new sound that dimmu is playing. I don't typically care for it as oppossed to their old stuff. The reason why they sold out, is not entirely based on their sound preference, but rather their position with the main stream black metal scene. Totally different things. K, like Metallica sold out musically, Dimmu sold out commercially.

 

[Trifixion]

Wooooo,take a chill pill, k. I don't mind the new sound that dimmu is playing. I don't typically care for it as oppossed to their old stuff. The reason why they sold out, is not entirely based on their sound preference, but rather their position with the main stream black metal scene. Totally different things. K, like Metallica sold out musically, Dimmu sold out commercially.

That's another thing, as much of a jerk as Lars Ulrich may have become, did Metallica really sell out.I used to jumpon the herd bandwagon of attacking Metallica for seeling out; but lately I've realizied,"waita minute, some of the songs they did on the albums after the Black one are awesome-such as 'until it sleeps' and that's one of many", they altered their sound so as not to be redundant, heck they did that w/every album, they always were changing from pure speed thrash of "kill em all" to a hard rock/metal; thing, the progression towards these ends can be noticed from "ride the lightning" onwards. However, to think about ti, I think they actually gained more integrity musically because they changed to remain unique and even got darker{though they got a little les metal-so what?}.

Sorry dude, but I was one of thse whom jumpeed too quickly onto the "they sold out' bandwagon for a long time for variuos bands, most ofem slightly altered the souns and started making more expensive but more creative products,etc.

I'm not offended in say the same way a "Slipknot" fan is when someone moicks or even dislikes the band, those guys act as if you've literally blashpemed a god;I'm just for once standing up for these bands, because I never really do and think they do deserve it.

Anyways,

keep brutal!

In Reason:
Trifixion

 

[MetalBlade]

That's another thing, as much of a jerk as Lars Ulrich may have become, did Metallica really sell out.I used to jumpon the herd bandwagon of attacking Metallica for seeling out; but lately I've realizied,"waita minute, some of the songs they did on the albums after the Black one are awesome-such as 'until it sleeps' and that's one of many", they altered their sound so as not to be redundant, heck they did that w/every album, they always were changing from pure speed thrash of "kill em all" to a hard rock/metal; thing, the progression towards these ends can be noticed from "ride the lightning" onwards. However, to think about ti, I think they actually gained more integrity musically because they changed to remain unique and even got darker{though they got a little les metal-so what?}.

Sorry dude, but I was one of thse whom jumpeed too quickly onto the "they sold out' bandwagon for a long time for variuos bands, most ofem slightly altered the souns and started making more expensive but more creative products,etc.

I'm not offended in say the same way a "Slipknot" fan is when someone moicks or even dislikes the band, those guys act as if you've literally blashpemed a god;I'm just for once standing up for these bands, because I never really do and think they do deserve it.

Anyways,

keep brutal!

In Reason:
Trifixion

Hey no problem man. If you really like the band I know how you can jump off the seat a bit. I am a big fan of power metal, and know what it is like to be called flower metal, chesse metal, etc. etc.

Not to jump off the subject and talk about Metallica, but they did sell out. The one thing that people don't understand is that when they first started out, they were a thrash metal band. Thrash, a type of metal that blended NWOBHM with punk music. There are some who say Metallica sold out when they signed with Elecktra because so many thrash bands were not making it onto labels. Actually if I can recall the only two real popular (and by popular I mean mainstream) thrash metal bands were Metallica and Anthrax. I get up set when the local radio station will play a Metallica song from the Cliff Burton years (i.e. thrash), but wont play bands like Testament, Exodus, Forbidden Evil, Laaz Rockitt, etc. etc. When in reality the music is very similiar.

Metallica, in my eyes at least, sold out twice. The first time they sold out, comercially, was on the black album (and which most REAL metal heads will agree) because they picked up producer Bob Rock. I don't mind the black album, but it's not my favorite. The second time they sold out, musically, was when they cut their hair and did Load. I like Load alot!!! But you have to face that it isn't metal. It's hard rock! And it is good hard rock at that. Metallica just went to far with St. Anger though. They went for the mallcore, Slipknot wantabe tone that I can't stand!

There is a trend here. I think Metallica was/is really in it for two things. Fame and money, and they would do anything to get both. When they switched to St. Anger sound, they were appealing to a younger generation of "metal heads." It brought them fame and fortune. But to the older fans, they just shoved off into a corner.

 

[stargoat]

Well, I guess I'll chime in here with my two cents in regards to "selling out" whatever that is? I have a hard time accepting that if someone is playing whatever it is that they enjoy playing, even if that means playing what might be considered mainstream, that they have "sold out". What exactly have they sold? If a musician is doing what he/she would do normally, all things being equal, how is this bad? Does this mean that said musician is breaking new ground and pushing music into new uncharted territory? No of course not! Few people will ever get to make this claim. However, to start slinging mud and claiming sellout because its not your cup of tea is, I think, a bit premature. I think if you purposefully wear corpsepaint and track you songs in lo-fi because you fear being called a sellout then you yourself have simply soldout, just to the minority point of view. Hey, I'm all for black metal and anything else that I find appealing, but to say that "x" style of music MUST contain components "XY&Z" or its not real "x" music is to not allow a genre to grow and thus, drive a nail into the proverbial coffin

 

[MetalBlade]

Well, I guess I'll chime in here with my two cents in regards to "selling out" whatever that is?

I actually found this definition at dictionary.com

1. Slang To betray one's cause or colleagues: He sold out to the other side.

In essence, Metallica sold out. I feel betrayed by Metallica for trying to fit in with mainstream "metal," when they were always against that kind of stuff. Bottom point is Cliff Burton is rolling over in his grave.

 

[stargoat]

In essence, Metallica sold out. I feel betrayed by Metallica for trying to fit in with mainstream "metal," when they were always against that kind of stuff. Bottom point is Cliff Burton is rolling over in his grave.

Problem is there is no way to know if Cliff would have gone along with the changes or not. We know for a fact that three of the original members, over time changed their views about what they wanted to do musically. I don't think it unreasonable to assume Cliff may have also, but we shall never know. Another point to consider is do you feel the same way about music now as you did fifteen years ago? Its obvious Metallica don't...So my question still stands. If they are doing what they want regardless if its considered mainstream or not, what have they sold of themselves?

 

[Chrome]

Dimmu was good back in the day, actually decent black metal. But now, i do in fact think they have sold out.

Now hear me out.

Dimmu, back when, used to be good, but i guess when they became more and more famous, they let it go to their head.
Im sure many of us have noticed that popular (no matter how popular) music requires next to no talent, so im just thinking the popularity poisoned their minds enough to make they say "hey, if we can get by with sub-par music and stay popular...why not?"

thats what im thinking

 

[Asse]

You might be right because it is an event you can notice with many bands. For example, if you listen to Slipknot on "Slipknot": they rock and are so violent but if you listen to "Iowa" and "Vol. 3" (which is their 4th album btw): man, they suck. They got influenced by bands as Blink 182 and other ****** bands because they sell a lot. If they would have stayed underground or at least more violent and less main-stream they wouldn't have sold half of what they do now but they would have a better sound. I mean: Surfacing and Wait Bleed vs. Heretic Anthem and Pulse Of The Maggots. Which duo would you pick? I'd take the first one.

And it is the same with Dimmu. Nothing beats their first albums like Stormblast and Enthrone Darkness Triumphant. Okay, the sound is bad but they rock on those albums. The last album is okay but the first ones were much better.

 

[Mr.Cheese]

I actually found this definition at dictionary.com

1. Slang To betray one's cause or colleagues: He sold out to the other side.

In essence, Metallica sold out. I feel betrayed by Metallica for trying to fit in with mainstream "metal," when they were always against that kind of stuff. Bottom point is Cliff Burton is rolling over in his grave.

RIP