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[thaumaturgy]

I have a friend that works on a 3 million dollar machine that is suppose to be accurate to a billioneth. How much more accurate do we need?

Billionth of What ?
Billionth of an Micron or a Billionth of a light year?

I used to use a gas chromatograph with an "electron capture detector" which if I recall correctly was sensitive down in the "parts per trillion" range. We were detecting and differentiating chlorofluorocarbons stripped out of sea water.

 

[Jazer]

Billionth of What ?
Billionth of an Micron or a Billionth of a light year?

He is a tool and die maker. Here is a quote that may help you with tolerance levels:

"Think about this engineering phenomenon. The telescope’s critical mirror segments “must hold their shape against warping to within a 25 billionth of a meter!” If not, the telescope will not operate properly in the frigid conditions of outer space. It’s very hard to conceive of a 25 billionth, let alone resisting warping at those extremes."

When you are off a billionth and you project that out then it can add up.

 

[Jazer]

sensitive down in the "parts per trillion" range.

We have come a long way. 99.99% pure soap was considered to be really pure. Now they can filter water down to a billionth. Even they filter sea water to use on ships. When I was in high school tool and die people worked within one hundredth. In Germany they would work within one thousandth. I remember working on a Jaguar once and at times they did not have to use gaskets when Americans had to use them.

 

[pgp_protector]

He is a tool and die maker. Here is a quote that may help you with tolerance levels:

"Think about this engineering phenomenon. The telescope’s critical mirror segments “must hold their shape against warping to within a 25 billionth of a meter!” If not, the telescope will not operate properly in the frigid conditions of outer space. It’s very hard to conceive of a 25 billionth, let alone resisting warping at those extremes."

When you are off a billionth and you project that out then it can add up.

This is the part you left out "of a meter" That's what I was looking for.
So their tolerance is around 0.04 nanometers well less the the average diameter of a single Atom ?

 

[Jazer]

This is the part you left out "of a meter" That's what I was looking for.
So their tolerance is around 0.04 nanometers well less the the average diameter of a single Atom ?

I do not know. Like I said, when I was in high school the tool and die makers talked about a tolerance of one hundredth. Now they are talking about a tolerance in the Billionths. There is a lot of tool and die and a lot of machine shops in this area.

 

[AV1611VET]

So when God removed Adams Rib He did not leave a scar?

No.

Nor do I think Jesus left a scar when He reattached Malchus' ear.

Actually the DNA is in the bone marrow that science can remove with a long hyprodermic needle.

Science ≠ God ... despite what some think.

 

[AV1611VET]

That is one theory. That a meteor brought a seed to the earth that grew when it got here. Not widely accepted by science but people like Fred Hoyle supported this belief to some degree.

As long as it isn't a literal Genesis 1, it's worth looking into, isn't it?

 

[pgp_protector]

I do not know. Like I said, when I was in high school the tool and die makers talked about a tolerance of one hundredth. Now they are talking about a tolerance in the Billionths. There is a lot of tool and die and a lot of machine shops in this area.

According to NASA ( The James Webb Space Telescope )
The Accuracy is about 20 Nanometers (So that 25 Billionth of a meter is an exaggeration of about 1000 fold)
Wax On, Wax Off: Behind the Webb - YouTube

The only references to 25 billionth of a meter for the NASA Mirrors I'm finding are some Time Management Quote or Copies of that Time Management Quote

 

[Tiberius]

God created the earth with meteor craters, did He?

And you accuse SCIENCE of being myopic?

You just said that God wouldn't create scars of events that didn't happen (such as Adam and Eve having navels), and yet we have million-year-old meteor craters, which (by your idea that the Earth has on;y existed for 6000 years or so) never saw the impact of a meteor.

Geez. People have been over this with you so many times (including myself!) that I thought you;d actually get it by now.

Things like this that make me think you're a Poe and that you really believe in God as much as I do...

 

[CabVet]

So when God removed Adams Rib He did not leave a scar? Actually the DNA is in the bone marrow that science can remove with a long hyprodermic needle.

FYI, DNA is everywhere, God could have create Eve with a hair from Adam if he wanted to (and if it was DNA that he was after). But here, try to learn something from our friend's AV wise words:

Science ≠ God ... despite what some think.

 

[Jazer]

The Accuracy is about 20 Nanometers (So that 25 Billionth of a meter is an exaggeration of about 1000 fold)

"Nanotechnology is the science of manipulating tiny particles that are one-billionth of a meter in size. To put this in perspective, a nanometer is roughly the width of three or four atoms and is 1000 times smaller than a red blood cell. Put another way, the average human hair is about 25,000 nanometers wide and the head of a pin is 20,000,000 nanometers wide. Nanotechnology: A Billionth of a Meter | MassDEP

 

[dad]

Yes. IF there is a God, and IF the Bible is correct, and IF your interpretation is correct. It seems to me that you;ve struck out on all three.

So I struck out on there being a God? Seems to me you like to talk for the sake of talking.

Your tremendous misuse of logic never ceases to amaze me.

It it amazes you, it phases you.

Oh, stung to the heart by the incredible wit of dad! How shall I ever recover?

Get saved.

Ah, your hypocritical stance on scars again. How a belly button indicates a past that didn't occur, and thus they don't exist on A&E, and yet you don't have a problem with meteorite craters that do the same thing.

Embedded belly buttons?

 

[dad]

More detail? The creation account from Chpt 1 is 27 verses where the "Creating" is being discussed.
Chapter 2 is verses 5-9.
I don't think you're lying, but I do think your method of pronouncing things demonstrably false, is more than a bit misguided.

You want me to detail where more detail is given in 2 than 1? Come on now. Do your own homework.

If I was ACTUALLY blathering on about nothing, you wouldn't be replying to my "nothing" in an "on topic fashion". Perhaps this is how you say you don't want to discuss this subject with me anymore?

So I replied in an on topic way? I guess that gives you another chance. Use it wisely this time.

And dad, how can anyone "offer you anything"? You think every one of us to be so far beneath you, we are barely worth your time.

No. I think man's wisdom is so far beneath God's.Try elevating your position up to God's level by availing yourself of His word, and you will be right up here with the big boys.

You pay no attention to anyone else's ideas; not because the ideas are subpar but because you have some baseless sense of smugness in these discussions.

I actually am a humble and patient guy. Keep trying. After all we are all but men.

You don't don't appear to evaluate ideas based on merit.

You don't don't appear to PRESENT ideas based on merit. Work on that. I am willing to take a look if you reach that bar.

You seem to evaluate them SOLELY based on whether you already agree with them.

I can't agree with that.

 

[dad]

That is one theory. That a meteor brought a seed to the earth that grew when it got here. Not widely accepted by science but people like Fred Hoyle supported this belief to some degree.

What foolishness. I would be ashamed to even repeat it.

 

[dad]

I have a friend that works on a 3 million dollar machine that is suppose to be accurate to a billioneth. How much more accurate do we need?

You comparing man's accuracy to God's? I would say infinitely more.

 

[dad]

I've always found it strange that some people so easily replace the Bible with God.

If there is a real God would He not get a real word down to man? Ask yourself what is inspiring you to think it strange? That is your enemy.

 

[AV1611VET]

Get saved.

 

[rambot]

You want me to detail where more detail is given in 2 than 1? Come on now. Do your own homework.

Hey smart guy, you made the claim, you do your own homework. Did you ALREADY forget that you made that ridiculous claim?

These stupid pronouncements make you look MORE intellectually lazy than you are already. Chpt 2 describes what the gardens look like and what is there. You describe the whole Chapter 2 story as being in more detail than Chapter 1. That isn't absurd, or wrong. It's really just stupid.

No. I think man's wisdom is so far beneath God's.Try elevating your position up to God's level by availing yourself of His word, and you will be right up here with the big boys.

So, I'd like to point out your logic here:
1) God is far more wise than us
2) You should be like God...and the way to do that is by "availing myself to his word".
3) Then you can be like me.

All I have asked is that you provide biblical evidence of your SPECIFIC position. You offer stories (though I think by this point you HAVE ACTUALLY included one or two verses) without anything that directly proves your point. You whole argument is based on YOUR own understanding and deductions of the passages. The passages themselves do not support your opinion but God has seen fit to keep you blind to your hubris.

I actually am a humble and patient guy. Keep trying.

You demonstrate the opposite.

You don't don't appear to PRESENT ideas based on merit. Work on that. I am willing to take a look if you reach that bar.

God's greatness and power is a pretty meritous idea in my mind. I figure a God who created through some capacity, the entire universe, didn't need to buy seeds at the local hardware store to create a garden. He can do it however he wants. You are the one arguing "As IF God would grow a garden by doing anything other than planting seeds". There is catagorically NO merit to that idea. We can have no specific understanding by what mechanism God created that garden (despite your understanding to the opposite). Other than a vague "God planted a garden" and "plants came forth from the ground", there is no evidence.
I am not saying God DID it one way, I'm saying the Bible is too vague to assign a particular method to the madness. I believe that idea is based solely on the Bible itself. I'm not saying God DIDN'T do it. I'm saying it is catagorically impossible to stated "GOD DID IT THIS WAY".



I've presented my ideas based solely on merit, and I point out the lack of merit in your own ideas. You, like most human beings, don't like it when it's brought to their attention that their ideas are baseless and so, instead of thinking, evaluating and presenting your ideas, I see boring repetition

 

[AV1611VET]

That isn't absurd, or wrong. It's really just stupid.

It's also basic doctrine.

A recapitulation of the six days' work of creation,

Here it introduces a second further account of the creation, containing important particulars which could not be brought into the preceding narrative without interrupting its orderly plan.

A more particular account of the creation of man,

This chapter is an appendix to the history of the creation, more particularly explaining and enlarging upon that part of the history which relates immediately to man, the favourite of this lower world.

And yet you say, 'It´s really just stupid.'

I think I'll go with basic doctrine over your 5¢ commentary.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

From what?