• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

Different state past (2)

dad

Undefeated!
Site Supporter
Jan 17, 2005
44,905
1,259
✟25,524.00
Country
Canada
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
No, Jesus was not in my reality (not the way he is described in the Bible.) They are in your fantasy.
OK.
And if you want me to be specific about what "reality" means when I use the word, the best explanation is sitting right outside your window. Go and have a look at it. It is what is really there, what really exists. What can be tested and verified by repeated tests. What withstands scrutiny.
So this evening I see a fence. I guess that means that you are on the other side of reality?
 
Upvote 0

dad

Undefeated!
Site Supporter
Jan 17, 2005
44,905
1,259
✟25,524.00
Country
Canada
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
Yes, you are now the word of God (according only to you, of course).
Oh? So what are you the Easter Bunny?
No other Christian I know thinks that God proposed a "different state past", and I know lots of them.
If they knew what it was, you might lose a few friends.

You are the one that should "get a grip", if creation was a miracle, it does not require a "different state past".
No? So if we take all the land and water on the planet and move them around separating them, would we get any heat in your little dream land? Would we have a garden planted and trees and fruit in a week? Would we have creatures talking to man? Would we have a planet and no stars? etc etc etc....?
 
Upvote 0

CabVet

Question everything
Dec 7, 2011
11,738
176
Los Altos, CA
✟43,402.00
Faith
Agnostic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
So then you claim that reality is something that represents my views. OK. Hard to argue with that.

No, the other way around, I claim that inside your head, what you speak is reality. In other words, your views represent your reality. Because I am an open-minded person, I will even go one step further and say that your views might even be the one true reality, although chances (99.999999%) are that they are not.
 
Upvote 0

dad

Undefeated!
Site Supporter
Jan 17, 2005
44,905
1,259
✟25,524.00
Country
Canada
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
No, the other way around, I claim that inside your head, what you speak is reality.

So part of reality is opposed to your version. OK.
In other words, your views represent your reality.
Hey, some parts are called one thing other parts another.

Because I am an open-minded person, I will even go one step further and say that your views might even be the one true reality,

Unless you run away you will be forced to admit it anyhow. But hey, get a jump on the inevitable...OK with me.
although chances (99.999999%) are that they are not.
So we should pretend that you set the universal reality odds now? Maybe you better get back to bowing or some other hobby, why make a fool of yourself?
 
Upvote 0

dad

Undefeated!
Site Supporter
Jan 17, 2005
44,905
1,259
✟25,524.00
Country
Canada
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
Yes, you are now the word of God (according only to you, of course). No other Christian I know thinks that God proposed a "different state past", and I know lots of them. You are the one that should "get a grip", if creation was a miracle, it does not require a "different state past".
Hey ask one to disagree and show why!!!
 
Upvote 0