Different Gospels?

[WAB]

DIFFERENT GOSPELS ?
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This forum has been inundated with declarations stating that the gospel that Paul preached was not the same, and was far superior to the gospel that Peter and the other apostles preached.

In actuality, Paul did not think so. Here is what Paul himself declared on the matter…

1 Corinthians 15:1-11... “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2: By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3: For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4: And that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures; 5: And that He was seen of Cephas (Peter), then of the twelve. 6: After that, He was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep (have died). 7: After that, He was seen of James; then of all the apostles. 8: And last of all He was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time, 9: For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet (fit, worthy) to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10: But by the grace of God I am what I am; and His grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all; yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. 11: Therefore whether it were I (Paul) or they (Peter and the rest of the apostles), so we preach, and so ye believed.”

Paul wrote this in approx. 57 AD; obviously long after having had the mysteries revealed to him.

To swallow what is being presented in this forum (and here I must say that what is being presented is probably done so in good faith) as to whether the gospel that Paul and Peter preached was identical and applicable to any hearer; or (as is put forth), two different gospels, one has to be spiritually blind to what Paul himself repeatedly proclaimed under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Note that Paul included himself among the other apostles in verse 9, and then he stated that he was not worthy to be named an apostle because he “persecuted the church of God”.

If that “church of God” was different than the Church/Body-of-Christ, as is being taught here, what was the problem?

May the Lord bring enlightenment… Shalom… WAB

 

[Dispy]

DIFFERENT GOSPELS ?
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This forum has been inundated with declarations stating that the gospel that Paul preached was not the same, and was far superior to the gospel that Peter and the other apostles preached.

In actuality, Paul did not think so. Here is what Paul himself declared on the matter…

1 Corinthians 15:1-11... “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2: By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3: For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4: And that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures; 5: And that He was seen of Cephas (Peter), then of the twelve. 6: After that, He was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep (have died). 7: After that, He was seen of James; then of all the apostles. 8: And last of all He was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time, 9: For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet (fit, worthy) to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10: But by the grace of God I am what I am; and His grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all; yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. 11: Therefore whether it were I (Paul) or they (Peter and the rest of the apostles), so we preach, and so ye believed.”

Paul wrote this in approx. 57 AD; obviously long after having had the mysteries revealed to him.

To swallow what is being presented in this forum (and here I must say that what is being presented is probably done so in good faith) as to whether the gospel that Paul and Peter preached was identical and applicable to any hearer; or (as is put forth), two different gospels, one has to be spiritually blind to what Paul himself repeatedly proclaimed under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Note that Paul included himself among the other apostles in verse 9, and then he stated that he was not worthy to be named an apostle because he “persecuted the church of God”.

If that “church of God” was different than the Church/Body-of-Christ, as is being taught here, what was the problem?

May the Lord bring enlightenment… Shalom… WAB

The Church that Jesus and the 12 ministered to was strickly a Jewish Church. By that I mean, it was a Church that was under the Laws of Moses. It consisted of Jews and proselytes.

If one that was a Gentile and wanted to serve the true and living God of Israel, and be part in the blessing promised to Israel, that one had to be come a Jew (proselyte), and place themselves under the Civil, Moral, and Ceremonial Laws of Moses. Jesus Himself said in John 4:22 "...for salvation is of the Jews." Gentiles were still considered unclean/heathen/dogs and outside the gate.

The gospel that Jesus and the 12 preached was "The Gospel of the Kingdom," based upon OT promises promised to Israel.

It wasn't until Israel, as a nation, rejected God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, that God set the nation of Israel aside. Paul says in Romans 11:32 "For God hath concluded them all (Jews and Gentiles) in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

So now we have both the Jews and Gentiles both in the same "set aside boat." The Gentiles were set aside long before at the Tower of Babel; in Genesis 11.

One would almost come to believe that salvation/justification to all mankind had hit a solid wall. Ah, but an all knowing God knew what Israel would do, so He initiated a plan that He had kept secret "since the world began."

God took these two set aside peoples and made a way for all of them to be saved/justified in the same manner. God made a NEW CREATION now know as "The Church, The Body of Christ," to those who would place their FAITH in the Cross work of Christ for their salvation. This Body is not under the Law, and everyone in it is on equal footing and without distinction.

The gospel that is to be preachaed today is "The Gospel of the Grace of God," based upon FAITH ALONE in the finished work of Christ on the Cross.

This present Church is not the same Church that Jesus and the 12 preached to, but an entirel new organism. Those in the Church, The Body of Christ, have a heavenly home to look forward to (2Cor.5:1, Phil.5:20).

God Bless.
Live Well, Laugh Often and Love the Lord!

 

[Dispy]

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[eph3Nine]

The Church that Jesus and the 12 ministered to was strickly a Jewish Church. By that I mean, it was a Church that was under the Laws of Moses. It consisted of Jews and proselytes.

If one that was a Gentile and wanted to serve the true and living God of Israel, and be part in the blessing promised to Israel, that one had to be come a Jew (proselyte), and place themselves under the Civil, Moral, and Ceremonial Laws of Moses. Jesus Himself said in John 4:22 "...for salvation is of the Jews." Gentiles were still considered unclean/heathen/dogs and outside the gate.

The gospel that Jesus and the 12 preached was "The Gospel of the Kingdom," based upon OT promises promised to Israel.

It wasn't until Israel, as a nation, rejected God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, that God set the nation of Israel aside. Paul says in Romans 11:32 "For God hath concluded them all (Jews and Gentiles) in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

So now we have both the Jews and Gentiles both in the same "set aside boat." The Gentiles were set aside long before at the Tower of Babel; in Genesis 11.

One would almost come to believe that salvation/justification to all mankind had hit a solid wall. Ah, but an all knowing God knew what Israel would do, so He initiated a plan that He had kept secret "since the world began."

God took these two set aside peoples and made a way for all of them to be saved/justified in the same manner. God made a NEW CREATION now know as "The Church, The Body of Christ," to those who would place their FAITH in the Cross work of Christ for their salvation. This Body is not under the Law, and everyone in it is on equal footing and without distinction.

The gospel that is to be preachaed today is "The Gospel of the Grace of God," based upon FAITH ALONE in the finished work of Christ on the Cross.

This present Church is not the same Church that Jesus and the 12 preached to, but an entirel new organism. Those in the Church, The Body of Christ, have a heavenly home to look forward to (2Cor.5:1, Phil.5:20).

God Bless.
Live Well, Laugh Often and Love the Lord!

If those who are in such opposition would simply READ this well written post by Dispy, and actually STUDY IT OUT in scripture, they would be face to face with the information that took ME to a METANOIA MOMENT, and forever changed the way I look at the Bible.

Keep in mind, our ENEMY's goal today is to keep good folks such as yourself (those in opposition) from seeing the MYSTERY and thus focused on the wrong program. Satan is infuriated that this vital information was HID from him as well. Many well meaning believers have still NOT HEARD of the dispensation of the Grace of God nor do they understand its meaning in the overall BIG PICTURE.

God changed channels, folks. Update your information so that you can cooperate with Him in presenting the correct information to others. Dont waste twenty years of your life being "religious" and in the wrong program like I did, and as the majority of professing believers are.

 

[WAB]

If those who are in such opposition would simply READ this well written post by Dispy, and actually STUDY IT OUT in scripture, they would be face to face with the information that took ME to a METANOIA MOMENT, and forever changed the way I look at the Bible.

Keep in mind, our ENEMY's goal today is to keep good folks such as yourself (those in opposition) from seeing the MYSTERY and thus focused on the wrong program. Satan is infuriated that this vital information was HID from him as well. Many well meaning believers have still NOT HEARD of the dispensation of the Grace of God nor do they understand its meaning in the overall BIG PICTURE.

God changed channels, folks. Update your information so that you can cooperate with Him in presenting the correct information to others. Dont waste twenty years of your life being "religious" and in the wrong program like I did, and as the majority of professing believers are.

Good idea eph... but far better than studying what C.R. Stam spouted, (and am surprised that Dispy would quote one that has been thoroughly discredited)... how about studying what Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15?

1 Cor. 15:1-11... "'Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2: by which also you are saved if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. 3: For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures (prophecies of the O.T.), 4: and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures (and these 4 verses are a thumbnail sketch of the gospel), 5: and that He appeared to Cephas (Peter), then to the twelve. 6: After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, bnut some have fallen asleep (died); 7: then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles; 8: and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared to me also. 9: For I am the least of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10: But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove in vain; but I labored even more than all of them (the other apostles), yet not I, but the grace of God with me. 11: Whether then it was I or they (again, the other apostles), so we preach and so you believed.'"

Paul declares here that the gospel he preached and the gospel the twelve preached was the same gospel!

Shalom... WAB

 

[Dispy]

Good idea eph... but far better than studying what C.R. Stam spouted, (and am surprised that Dispy would quote one that has been thoroughly discredited)... how about studying what Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15?

Why didn't you try to discredit what I wrote instead of blaming C.R. Stam? He is a man I knew personally and admired. Many tried to discredit him but I can't see where they did. Why don't you tell me how you would discredit him. Also, refute what I wrote if you think it is in error.

1 Cor. 15:1-11... "'Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand,

These Corinthians were saved through the preaching "the gospel of the grace of God," not "the gospel of the kingdom" which Jesus and the 12 preached.

2: by which also you are saved if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.

The gospel that they were saved by was "...the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began" Rms 16:25. It wasn't "repent and be baptized" which Peter preached.

3: For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures (prophecies of the O.T.),
4: and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures (and these 4 verses are a thumbnail sketch of the gospel),

What Paul received from God was that Jesus died, as stated in Isaiah 53:4-12, for the sins of the world accordin Scriptures. However, Isreal, according to the OT Scriptures were looking for a King that would sit upon David's Throne forever.

5: and that He appeared to Cephas (Peter), then to the twelve. 6: After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, bnut some have fallen asleep (died); 7: then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles; 8: and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared to me also.

They were witnesses to the resurrection of Christ.

9: For I am the least of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

Paul is speaking of his past conduct.

10: But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove in vain; but I labored even more than all of them (the other apostles), yet not I, but the grace of God with me.

11: Whether then it was I or they (again, the other apostles), so we preach and so you believed.'"

When Jesus and the 12 preached, they preached "the gospel of the kingdom." They preached "repent and be baptized for the remission of sins." Also, a repentant had to believe that Jesus was the long promised Messiah.

Peter and the 11 knew nothing about the purpose of the Cross until after it was revealed to Paul. Peter preached it as something that the Jews had to repent of.

Paul preached FAITH ALONE in the Cross work (death, burial, and resurrection) for salvation.

Paul declares here that the gospel he preached and the gospel the twelve preached was the same gospel!

Shalom... WAB[/QUOTE]

Yes, both Peter and Paul preached Jesus Christ, but both had a different message.

Still waiting for my initial post in this thread.

God Bless.
Live Well, Laugh Often and Love the Lord!

 

[eph3Nine]

Paul and Peter did indeed preach the same Christ, but a different message indeed. They also realized that Christ had a twofold ministry. One when on the Earth and another after He rose from the dead. The ministry on earth was to the nation of ISRAEL EXCLUSIVELY...He said so Himself.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

DIFFERENT GOSPELS ?​

Yes Gospel means "good news"

The Gospel of the Kingdom of God...mark 1:14-15
Pauls's Gospel.."My Gospel" ...romans 16:25-26
The gospel of the grace of God ...acts 20:24
The gospel of peace ..eph 6:15[2:14-15,17
The gospel of the glory of the blessed God ..1 tim 1:11
the gospel of the God ...1 thes 2:8-9
the gospel of rest ...Heb 4:2
the Gospel of Christ ....ro 1:16, 1cor 15:2-4 , 2 cor 4:4
the Gospel of JC the Son of God ....mark 1:1

several more...

 

[eph3Nine]

There is NOT just ONE good news, but many. Context will tell you to whom it applied and when.

 

[WAB]

What Paul received from God was that Jesus died, as stated in Isaiah 53:4-12, for the sins of the world accordin Scriptures. However, Isreal, according to the OT Scriptures were looking for a King that would sit upon David's Throne forever.

In other words, Israel (in your view) was not part of the world that God so loved that "...He sent His only begotten Son..." to save....

 

[A Brother In Christ]

What Paul received from God was that Jesus died, as stated in Isaiah 53:4-12, for the sins of the world accordin Scriptures. However, Isreal, according to the OT Scriptures were looking for a King that would sit upon David's Throne forever.

JC was a lamb then a King

just that the Jews just wanted a King

 

[Dispy]

What Paul received from God was that Jesus died, as stated in Isaiah 53:4-12, for the sins of the world accordin Scriptures. However, Isreal, according to the OT Scriptures were looking for a King that would sit upon David's Throne forever.

In other words, Israel (in your view) was not part of the world that God so loved that "...He sent His only begotten Son..." to save....

Didn't say that or imply that.

 

[WAB]

JC was a lamb then a King

just that the Jews just wanted a King

Right... however, you quoted the part Dispy wrote, not what I wrote...

 

[WAB]

JC was a lamb then a King

just that the Jews just wanted a King

Actually, I did not post what appears in red... Dispy did.

 

[eph3Nine]

Dontcha love when they twist the words you never said, dispy? Leave the guy to his own delusions. Geesh.

 

[WAB]

Dontcha love when they twist the words you never said, dispy? Leave the guy to his own delusions. Geesh.

O. K.... have a look at Dispy's post #6 in this thread done on April 24. Count down to the third paragraph in red, and you will see that contrary to Dispy's refusal to acknowledge that he did post it; and your personal insult based on a refusal to admit the same, neither one of you are telling the truth.

I pointed out the posting error when the para. in red appeared under my moniker, but as said before, I do not post in red. (my debt has been paid...tetel'estai)