Difference between Repent and Reform question

[11822]

Repent means to feel sorry for our sin, to ask Gods forgiveness and to abstain from doing that sin.

But this means we would need to obey the law.


Uh oh.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yeah,... we tend to leave repentance at apology & keep reform cosmetic.
Ain't we a peach.

Great analogy....but will others understand it

 

[11822]

Here Paul says that anything not of faith is sin, and that we should not do that which is sin or we face damnation. Who has faith that they can use their liberty to commit works of the flesh? Not me.


Rom 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Gal_5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Repent means to feel sorry for our sin, to ask Gods forgiveness and to abstain from doing that sin.

But this means we would need to obey the law.

Uh oh.

The Pharisees also felt they were obeying/following the Law

Luke 18:9 Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
10 "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector/publican.
11 "The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, 'God, I thank You that I am not like other men -- extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector.
12 'I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.'
13 "And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise [his] eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me a sinner!'
14 "I tell you, this man went down to his house justified [rather] than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

Rich-man and Lazarus True story or Parable - Page 7 - Christian Forums
Rich-man and Lazarus True story or Parable

Luke 15:1 Were yet to Him nearing the tribute collectors and the sinners to be hearing of Him.
2 And murmured both the Pharisees and Scribes saying "that this one sinners is receiving and eating together to them

 

[11822]

The Pharisees also felt they were obeying/following the Law

Luke 18:9 Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
10 "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector/publican.
11 "The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, 'God, I thank You that I am not like other men -- extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector.
12 'I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.'
13 "And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise [his] eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me a sinner!'
14 "I tell you, this man went down to his house justified [rather] than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

Rich-man and Lazarus True story or Parable - Page 7 - Christian Forums
Rich-man and Lazarus True story or Parable

Luke 15:1 Were yet to Him nearing the tribute collectors and the sinners to be hearing of Him.
2 And murmured both the Pharisees and Scribes saying "that this one sinners is receiving and eating together to them

Sometimes i think about reading only the words of Christ in the Gospels. They seem to be better somehow. Not that the epistles are bad, maybe i just spend to much time in them. Man i love the words of the Lord.


Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Joh_20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.



Mat_5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat_5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Mat_5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Mat_5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Mat_5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Mat_5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Mat_5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Mat_5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat_5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Mat_11:6 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.
Mat_13:16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Sometimes i think about reading only the words of Christ in the Gospels. They seem to be better somehow. Not that the epistles are bad, maybe i just spend to much time in them. Man i love the words of the Lord.
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Then you should read John chapts 14-17....the longest discourse by Jesus in the Gospels
I have it as a blog on CF

NKJV) John 14:1 "Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7391061/#post52559491

 

[Sieben]

While translating the Jewish/Hebrew book of Revelation I came across this greek word for "repent/reform".
Jesus used the same word when speaking with the Jews in the NC and I would like to ask how do others view this word.
When repenting we are actually asking GOD to forgive us for our acts/works of sin/iniquity after hearing the "Good-Message", but after that, it is up to the believers of YHWH and His Christ to reform from the works of iniquity.

I just thought this topic would be interesting to discuss. Thoughts? Peace.

Mark 1:15 And saying, "Has been filled the Time, and has-neared the Kingdom of the GOD/YHWH.
Be ye reforming/repenting/metanoeite <3340> (5720)!, and be ye believing! in the Good-Message.

Revelation 16:11 And they blaspheme the GOD of the heaven out of the miseries of them, and out of the sores of them. And not they repent/reform/metenohsan<3340> (5656) out of the works of them.

Reve 2:5 Be thou remembering then! , whence/which-place thou hast fallen and reform/repent/metanohson <3340> (5657) thou! And the first works, thou do ! If yet no, I am coming to thee quickly, and shall be removing the Lamp-stand of thee out of the Place of her, if ever no thou should be reforming/repenting/metanohshV <3340> (5661)".

3340. metanoeo met-an-o-eh'-o from 3326 and 3539; to think differently or afterwards, i.e. reconsider (morally, feel compunction):--repent.
3326. meta met-ah' a primary preposition (often used adverbially); properly, denoting accompaniment; "amid" (local or causal); modified variously according to the case (genitive association, or accusative succession) with which it is joined;
3539. noieo noy-eh'-o from 3563; to exercise the mind (observe), i.e. (figuratively) to comprehend, heed:--consider, perceive, think, understand.
3540. noema no'-ay-mah from 3539; a perception, i.e. purpose, or (by implication) the intellect, disposition, itself:--device, mind, thought.
3563. nous nooce probably from the base of 1097; the intellect, i.e. mind (divine or human; in thought, feeling, or will); by implication, meaning:--mind, understanding. Compare 5590.

I disagree fully.

Repent does not mean you're asking to be forgiven but rather just having a change of mind. This is the same as reforming your thoughts then. He says "repent and believe in the gospel for the remission of sins" Acts 10:43 says that if you believe you get the remission of sins. So prayer cannot give this but whether or not you believe in the truth is what gives forgiveness. So asking to be forgiven can never cleanse one of sins. It is also not up to the believer whether or not to reform their iniquity in part, because we're sanctified by faith, we're quickened by the Spirit and there dwells nothing good in our flesh.

 

[Sieben]

Repent means to feel sorry for our sin, to ask Gods forgiveness and to abstain from doing that sin.

But this means we would need to obey the law.


Uh oh.

I haven't asked for forgiveness of any sin since I have been born again. My clear conscience comes from my faith in him remitting the sin of the world. As far as obeying the law, we don't agree on anything anyways.

 

[11822]

I haven't asked for forgiveness of any sin since I have been born again. My clear conscience comes from my faith in him remitting the sin of the world. As far as obeying the law, we don't agree on anything anyways.

Thats Ok, its between you and the Lord. I like talking to God and telling Him im sorry, the Lord is our friend.

 

[11822]

I disagree fully.

Repent does not mean you're asking to be forgiven but rather just having a change of mind. This is the same as reforming your thoughts then. He says "repent and believe in the gospel for the remission of sins" Acts 10:43 says that if you believe you get the remission of sins. So prayer cannot give this but whether or not you believe in the truth is what gives forgiveness. So asking to be forgiven can never cleanse one of sins. It is also not up to the believer whether or not to reform their iniquity in part, because we're sanctified by faith, we're quickened by the Spirit and there dwells nothing good in our flesh.

It doesnt really matter, its apples and oranges. Just words. But obedience and following Christ is what it is.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

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[LittleLambofJesus]

I disagree fully.

Repent does not mean you're asking to be forgiven but rather just having a change of mind. This is the same as reforming your thoughts then. He says "repent and believe in the gospel for the remission of sins" Acts 10:43 says that if you believe you get the remission of sins. So prayer cannot give this but whether or not you believe in the truth is what gives forgiveness. So asking to be forgiven can never cleanse one of sins. It is also not up to the believer whether or not to reform their iniquity in part, because we're sanctified by faith, we're quickened by the Spirit and there dwells nothing good in our flesh.

Interesting view....Thanks



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[LittleLambofJesus]

It doesnt really matter, its apples and oranges. Just words. But obedience and following Christ is what it is.

But by being obedient and following Christ, don't we also try and conform to Him by not sinning after repenting?


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