Difference between liberal & conservative

[Paulos23]

I am not dividing the people. Just bringing forth the truth that evil and good DO exist. And until goodness (i.e. righteousness) is sought after for its own sake, mankind will continue to spiral down hill.

In Christ, Not me

While Good and Evil do exist, I don't think they exist to the extent you think they do. Nor does that mean people see Good and Evil the same way in the same things.

 

[Go Braves]

By definition they are not conservatives.

A conservative is defined as someone who wants to maintain the status quo, or return to an earlier status quo.

The latter is what Trump promised, but has not went that direction.

A liberal is defined as someone who wants to change the status quo.

Trump is a liberal. He is changing the status quo from a political model to a more business-like model.

This is spot on, Dave.

 

[Dave-W]

This is spot on, Dave.

Indeed. However the OP did not think so. It must have thrown a wrench into the gear works of what he was trying to say.

 

[Go Braves]

Are we to elect a man to do a job, then tie his hands? Or worse yet, as one Democrat leader actually shamefully uttered on TV, "I will vote against ANYTHING he does, whether it is good for America, or not ."

Well shoot, if you thought that comment was shameful you must have thought it was extraordinarily disgraceful that the GOP Senate pledged to block everything during Obama's presidency. That McConnell said during Obama's 1st term that the single most important thing was making sure he was a 1 term POTUS. Then being so butthurt on account of Obama winning again they were determined to be obstructionist for years. They all stuck their thumbs out and sat on them instead of even having a hearing for Garland. You sure have managed to make the Dems look good in comparison to that.

I am much more impressed with the folks who've been willing to work with the other side than those who are too prideful & tribal to even consider it.

 

[Go Braves]

Indeed. However the OP did not think so. It must have thrown a wrench into the gear works of what he was trying to say.

Some folks are only going to be content if what you say is exactly what they want to hear. Even when they've started a discussion on a place where folks are supposed to be giving different POVs.

 

[Not me]

The fact you replied with a quip and not addressing the rest of the example is showing the problem. I was addressing ways to lower abortion, and you go right to it is black and white.

You wonder why people are calling you uncompromising? Right there, where I was talking about good, tested ways of lower abortions, and you act like it is not enough. I was trying to meet you in the middle, and you throw it back without discussion.

You can stand on what you think is a rock. But standing on such a position without compromise will just result in you standing on the rock, and everyone else going around you with a solution that doesn't include you.

And that is how politics is suppose to work. Not for one side or the other to take a stand and not move, but to find compromises and work through them to get something done.

Please explain to me how this is to be understood that abortion is not black or white?

“Not much is black and white. And Abortion is definitely a whole lot of grey.”

A whole lot of gray??

As far as lowering the abortion numbers I’m all on board. But the job will not be finished till EVERY child is allowed to live. For you can not compromise on abortion for abortion is murder. Because one child’s live is not more value than another.

When the truth is EVERYTHING is black and white. Because everything falls into one of these two categories. Either righteousness or unrighteousness everything is.

In Christ, Not me

 

[Not me]

While Good and Evil do exist, I don't think they exist to the extent you think they do. Nor does that mean people see Good and Evil the same way in the same things.

What is the extent I think good and evil exists?

So if people see good and evil differently, that means good and evil changes?

Or does it means people’s definition of good and evil is different?

In Christ, Not me

 

[Willie T]

Well shoot, if you thought that comment was shameful you must have thought it was extraordinarily disgraceful that the GOP Senate pledged to block everything during Obama's presidency. That McConnell said during Obama's 1st term that the single most important thing was making sure he was a 1 term POTUS. Then being so butthurt on account of Obama winning again they were determined to be obstructionist for years. They all stuck their thumbs out and sat on them instead of even having a hearing for Garland. You sure have managed to make the Dems look good in comparison to that.

I am much more impressed with the folks who've been willing to work with the other side than those who are too prideful & tribal to even consider it.

We "hear" of a lot on both sides, but the only video I have actually seen is that one I mentioned. It almost knocked me off my seat when I heard those words.

Would you please post the videos you are talking about? (I'll try to find the one I mentioned if you missed it.)

 

[Paulos23]

What is the extent I think good and evil exists?

So if people see good and evil differently, that means good and evil changes?

Or does it means people’s definition of good and evil is different?

In Christ, Not me

You are seeing everything as Black and White, Good or Evil. You are not looking at the reasons people do things, or what they are faced with. Sometime people do crappy things because that is the best choice they can make. It doesn't excuse what they did, but if you can give them better choices you will get less crappy things.

Forcing everything into Good or Evil makes for more suffering, because those you label evil never get a chance to lose that label. I have seen it happen in history, and in life. You give them no choice but to be bad.

And yes, there are things that you see as Good that others see as Evil. Removing a woman's choices I see as Evil. You only see the un-born so it is Good to you. I would rather see more options for a women so she can make a choice, or not face it at all. You just want to condemn them if they don't stay on your straight and narrow path. And in doing you are not helping the child at all.

 

[Not me]

You are seeing everything as Black and White, Good or Evil. You are not looking at the reasons people do things, or what they are faced with. Sometime people do crappy things because that is the best choice they can make. It doesn't excuse what they did, but if you can give them better choices you will get less crappy things.

Forcing everything into Good or Evil makes for more suffering, because those you label evil never get a chance to lose that label. I have seen it happen in history, and in life. You give them no choice but to be bad.

And yes, there are things that you see as Good that others see as Evil. Removing a woman's choices I see as Evil. You only see the un-born so it is Good to you. I would rather see more options for a women so she can make a choice, or not face it at all. You just want to condemn them if they don't stay on your straight and narrow path. And in doing you are not helping the child at all.

Question; how is God going to judge people, in righteousness or unrighteousness? Does not the scripture say “when you judge, judge righteousness” and again does it not say “be perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect” ?

So for you to compromise on evil seems to go against what God has stated.

In Christ, Not me

 

[Paulos23]

Please explain to me how this is to be understood that abortion is not black or white?

“Not much is black and white. And Abortion is definitely a whole lot of grey.”

A whole lot of gray??

As far as lowering the abortion numbers I’m all on board. But the job will not be finished till EVERY child is allowed to live. For you can not compromise on abortion for abortion is murder. Because one child’s live is not more value than another.

When the truth is EVERYTHING is black and white. Because everything falls into one of these two categories. Either righteousness or unrighteousness everything is.

In Christ, Not me

Yes, a whole lot of grey. You are not considering the life of the woman, which should go into the calculation, as well as the life and care of the child.

Looking at the whole picture, who is effected and how, and it gets greyer.

Yes Abortions are bad. No question. But does that justify forcing a woman to complete a pregnancy to term? And I know how dangerous pregnancy can be, even with the best medicine. Pregnancy is not a simple act, and to force a women to have one when she doesn't want one or is not ready is a bad thing in my eyes.

And if you see the pregnancy and birth as punishment, punishment for what? Because birth control failed? Because she is raped? Because some smooth talking guy convinced she into bed?

Do you see how it is grey now?

 

[Paulos23]

Question; how is God going to judge people, in righteousness or unrighteousness? Does not the scripture say “when you judge, judge righteousness” and again does it not say “be perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect” ?

So for you to compromise on evil seems to go against what God has stated.

In Christ, Not me

Don't care if God judges people. I care about people now. How they live now. How they are happy or suffering now.

I would rather find a solution that helps people and lower suffering, rather than punishing people for choices that society forced them into.

 

[Not me]

Yes, a whole lot of grey. You are not considering the life of the woman, which should go into the calculation, as well as the life and care of the child.

Looking at the whole picture, who is effected and how, and it gets greyer.

Yes Abortions are bad. No question. But does that justify forcing a woman to complete a pregnancy to term? And I know how dangerous pregnancy can be, even with the best medicine. Pregnancy is not a simple act, and to force a women to have one when she doesn't want one or is not ready is a bad thing in my eyes.

And if you see the pregnancy and birth as punishment, punishment for what? Because birth control failed? Because she is raped? Because some smooth talking guy convinced she into bed?

Do you see how it is grey now?

A women has a choice up till the sperm hits the egg, than her decision has been made. Up to that point she chooses.

If a women’s life is in danger and she’s going to died and than by extension the child. Than you are choosing which one shall live, not which one shall die.

As far as rape goes;
Just because a person is sinned against, does not give that individual the right to kill a innocent person. The child is innocent.

In Christ, Not me

 

[Not me]

Don't care if God judges people. I care about people now. How they live now. How they are happy or suffering now.

I would rather find a solution that helps people and lower suffering, rather than punishing people for choices that society forced them into.

Don’t care how God judges people.

Do you care how God judges you?

In Christ, Not me

 

[essentialsaltes]

When did you mail the check to pay for your brother, *NotMe's*, rent?

As a matter of fact, earlier this week, I mailed a check that will, in some small part, help subsidize housing, food and healthcare for many brothers and sisters in need, including many who have jobs. I don't find it important to ask whether they're employed, but rather whether they are hungry.

 

[Not me]

As a matter of fact, earlier this week, I mailed a check that will, in some small part, help subsidize housing, food and healthcare for many brothers and sisters in need, including many who have jobs. I don't find it important to ask whether they're employed, but rather whether they are hungry.

Well, it's a start, but remember you have many more people to support. For after all, "you are their meal ticket"

In Christ, Not me

 

[Not me]

Indeed. However the OP did not think so. It must have thrown a wrench into the gear works of what he was trying to say.

Hello. as the OP, your post was quite on-point when understood correctly. For in the beginning was the belief that the 10 commandment were “rules of thumb” of behavior. (for all those that love righteousness, which a true conservative does). It is that, that a true conservative want to conserve or maintain. While liberals want to liberated from them. Sorry it took so long to answer. No ill intent was intended.

Much love in Christ, Not me

 

[Paulos23]

A women has a choice up till the sperm hits the egg, than her decision has been made. Up to that point she chooses.

If a women’s life is in danger and she’s going to died and than by extension the child. Than you are choosing which one shall live, not which one shall die.

As far as rape goes;
Just because a person is sinned against, does not give that individual the right to kill a innocent person. The child is innocent.

In Christ, Not me

Cold dude, just cold.

 

[Not me]

Cold dude, just cold.

Unless it’s the truth.

In Christ, Not me

 

[Paulos23]

Don’t care how God judges people.

Do you care how God judges you?

In Christ, Not me

I am an Atheist. So no, I don't care. I care about my fellow humans more.