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Difference between churches of Christ

Discussion in 'United Church Of Christ' started by 1watchman, Nov 3, 2010.

  1. actionsub

    actionsub Mike, he's just this guy, you know?

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    In general the UCC, with its Lutheran and Congregationalist influences, is liturgical in worship, though the degree of "high church" worship varies by congregation.

    You would generally hear two to three Scripture readings from the lectionary during UCC worship, as opposed to just hearing the sermon text as one would in a Baptist church. Infant baptism is commonly practiced rather than believer's baptism; though we wouldn't hesitate to baptize an adult convert (generally by sprinkling). That said, a UCC'er is not likely to say that baptism is necessary for salvation, and many in the UCC are reluctant to talk of a "decision" for salvation in a way that a Baptist would.

    Hope that helps.
     
  2. godenver1

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    Oh, I had forgotten about this!

    Thanks for the reply.
     
  3. briquest

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    1 Peter 4:11King James Version (KJV)
    11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
    Matthew 16:18 King James Version (KJV)
    18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
    Romans 16:16 King James Version (KJV)
    16 Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you.
    Matthew 19:14 King James Version (KJV)
    14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
    Acts 2:46-47
    42 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers. 43
    47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord was adding to their number day by day those who were being saved.
    And they continued steadfastly in the apostles doctrine.
    The Lord adds you to his church.
    church of Christ
    1 Timothy 4:1American Standard Version (ASV)
    4 But the Spirit saith expressly, that in later times some shall fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons,

    Matthew 15:9
    King James Bible
    But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
    Isaiah 29:13
    The Lord says: "These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is based on merely human rules they have been taught.
    Matthew 15:9
    King James Bible
    But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
     
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  4. Faith Issues

    Faith Issues New Member

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    Great discussion!

    I've been going to churches of Christ churches for the past 25 years. I've always struggled with the "baptism is essential for Salvation" point of view. In my heart it seems that saying baptism is essential for Salvation is saying that what Jesus did was not enough. I've always struggled with that. But there are scriptures seem to say baptism is essential. But I've been studying this topic lately because I have a 12 year old who is asking a lot of questions about being saved. He's being told by his "grandmamma" that he needs to be baptized to be saved. It bothers me a little that she doesn't even mention the Cross. But the subject is SO important, I really don't want to steer him wrong. Don't get me wrong. I believe baptism is VERY important. No one who was ever saved said, "Baptism? Nah. No thanks!" We have many examples of it's significance.

    Hey... while I'm here, are there any scholars that can help explain the following verses as it relates to salvation/baptism? Is this saying baptism IS essential for salvation? Or is there something I'm missing in the original language/interpretation that explains why it's really not necessary for salvation? Here are a few of those scriptures...
    • Acts 2:38 - Says "...for the remission of sin..." meaning that's how to become saved.
    • Acts 22:16 - Says "...Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away..."
    • Mark 16:16 - Says "...he that believes and is baptized shall be saved..."
    • John 3:5 - Says "...no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit."
    • 1 Peter 3:21 - Says "...baptism that now saves us..."
    • Romans 6 – The entire chapter.
    Of course, if it really is saying that baptism IS essential for Salvation, I'll accept that. It'll be weird in terms of how I'm thinking of it, the Cross, etc. But I'm just in search of the TRUTH.

    Looking forward to the different points of view out there.
     
  5. 1watchman

    1watchman Overseer Supporter

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    One needs to see that baptism is obedience to take a stand with the Lord Jesus against the unbelieving world. If one does not want to be baptized that one is not willing to honor the Lord in this world. Baptism and the Lord's Supper are the only two ordinances given to a Christian to keep.

    As to Acts 2:38 the rendering is properly translated as "unto the remission of sin", not how to be saved as "into";
    Acts 22:16 is counsel to Paul as he was being called to his apostolic mission;
    Mark 16:16 speaks of obedience to honor God, and note there in the KJV at least that not believing is the issue rather than baptism for salvation;
    John 3:5 speaks of water as the Word of God, not baptism (water is often used as God's Word);
    1 Pet. 3:21 is self-explanatory if properly read, and shows baptism is not salvation, but a matter of honor and conscience;
    Romans 6 needs to be read prayerfully in conjunction with the whole testimony to see it does not say baptism saves.
     
  6. hedrick

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    Just so you know, this forum is for the United Church of Christ. It is a fairly liberal church in the Reformed tradition. You're probably thinking of one flavor of Church of Christ. It's covered in this forum: http://www.christianforums.com/forums/no-creed-but-christ-restoration-movement.448/.

    A typical United Church of Christd position would be that baptism is the normal sign of entrance into the Church, and a participation in Christ’s death and resurrection, but that that doesn’t make it a legal requirement for salvation.

    Apparently most UCC churches do not require baptism for someone to participate in communion. (http://www.ucc.org/should-the-non-baptized-receiv), though not all members and pastors agree that this is appropriate.

    Here’s a paper from the UCC about baptism and communion: http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.ne...sm-eucharist-and-ministry-1982.pdf?1418423630
     
  7. Korah

    Korah Anglican Lutheran Supporter

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    Yes, Hedrick,
    No Restorationist Church of Christ off-shoot is anything like the United Church of Christ.
    However, before dropping this misplaced subject, can someone confirm or deny whether there are three main offshoots from the Campbellities? Yes, Church of Christ has been well-explained above as the legitimist Fundamentalist preserver in contrast to the rather liberal Disciples of Christ. However, what about the group(s) in the middle, called variously above as CC or Churches of Christ and quite possibly also as instrumental Churches of Christ? Putting aside the out-of-bound Boston Church of Christ, are the three or four main groupings from right to left, namely Churches of Christ (non-instrumental), Churches of Christ (instrumental), Christian Church, and Disciples of Christ? Are the two in the middle for all practical purposes the same? Do any of them admit the Nicene Creed, which would make that one a conceivable future choice for me (I liked the Christian Church I attended occasionally from 2004 to 2005).
     
  8. Nova2216

    Nova2216 If truth is discounted then lies become normal.

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    Sin separates one from the Lord according to (Isa.59:1,2) (Rom.3:23 ; 6:23) (Jas.1:13-15).

    So sin is the problem no doubt.

    We must learn how sins are forgiven.

    It's not by belief "ALONE" for it is nowhere taught in Gods word.

    It is not by prayer b/c the Lord does not hear sinners according to (Jn 9:31).

    If Paul was saved before water baptism then he was saved while still in his sins.

    The Lord told Paul to -

    go to Damascus,

    to the street called straight,

    to Judas' house,


    to see Ananias and he will tell you what you "MUST" DO (Ac.9).


    Three Days Later
    (Acts 9:9)

    We see Paul in Damascus at Judas's house in (Ac.22:16).

    He is still in his sins.

    Sin separates man from God (Isa.59:1,2).

    your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

    So we know Paul was "not" saved when he gets to Judas house.

    Ananias tells Paul what he "must do" to be saved in (Ac.22:16).

    16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

    Notice the word "and" connects "baptize" and "wash away thy sins". (Ac.22:16)

    Why did they Holy Spirit use the word "and" here? (Ac.2216)


    Now read (1Peter 3:20,21) - baptism doth also now save us


    Question - When was Paul's sins washed away?

    1. Arise
    2. Be Baptized
    3. Wash Away Your Sins


    When was Pauls sins washed away?

    BEFORE or AFTER - baptism (Ac.22:16)


    Question - Did Paul come to water baptism thinking his sins were "already forgiven" or was he "looking forward to having his sins forgiven" (by the blood of Jesus) at the point of water baptism? (Eph.1:7) (Rev.1:5) (Ac.22:16) (Mark 16:15,16)


    Thanks
     
  9. The Liturgist

    The Liturgist Traditional Liturgical Christian

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    Actually, the Lutheran influence in the UCC is minimal. What happened was in Prussia, the Calvinist monarchy desired to merge the Calvinist and Lutheran churches into a single state church, the result being a bland and compromised Church of Prussia. On the basis of ethnic identity, German immigrants to the US from Prussia initially tried to transplant the Prussian church here, with a congregational polity. Soon, however, there was a massive rupture, and the result was the Lutheran Churh - Missouri Synod, and the Calvinist Evangelical and Reformed Church, which in 1957 merged with most of the Congregationalists, whose backbone was the former Puritan community in New England, specifically those Congregational churches which remained true to the Christian faith and did not embrace Unitarians (sadly, several of our oldest and most important churches, such as the oldest intact church building in the US, the Old Ship Church in Rhode Island, wound up in Unitarian hands, due to an abuse of the congregational polity).*

    Also in the 1950s, frustrated traditional congregationalists who were opposed to the political direction of the movement broke away to form the CCCC, whose oldest and most famous parish is the Park Street Church in Boston, which I use as my avatar.
     
  10. seeking.IAM

    seeking.IAM Episcopalian Supporter

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    There were 4 streams of Christianity that fed into the UCC in 1957. I wonder how you would characterize them all?

    The German Reformed Church in the United States + The Evangelicals Church = the Evangelical and Reformed Church. (1934 merger)

    The Congregational Church + Christian Church = The Congregational Christian Church (1931 merger).

    The Congregational Christian Church + The Evangelical & Reformed Church = The United Church of Christ (1957 merger)
     
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