Did you see this???

[Jehane]

Menno, my hubby says it was an evil spirit too. No decent, sane human being behaves like this.

 

[Jehane]

Love the Amish testimony. I really feel for the killer's family. They didn't ask for this either & are now in a terrible position.

 

[AndOne]

I just read that an Amish man visited the killer's family, hugged them and forgave him. What a testimony!

Forgive me for the intrusion brothers and sisters. This happened in my neck of the woods and I've been sorrowfully following the story. I have a good friend who is a state trooper who was one of the first responders to the call.

I'm replying here though because I would be very interested in where you read about the event with the Amish man visiting the family. Care to share where I can find that particular story?

Thanks
Dave

 

[Jehane]

Me too.

 

[ZiSunka]

This may sound far-fetched and I wouldn't bring it up except it is seen in the NT and Jesus enabled his disciples to deal with it...what about demon possession?

Clearly so. He had evil dreams in his sleep and obsessive thoughts during the daytime, and believed he did evil things that are apparently untrue. Plus he was angry at God for things that the average person would be able to deal with. Hundreds if not thousands of men lose baby daughters every year, but this man seems to have been obesessed with the idea that God killed his daughter as punishment for past deeds.

The methodical and thorough way that he prepared for the day seems to me to have an evilness to it, too.

It's either demons or psychosis and he is the right age for the onset of psychosis. But sometimes there is a fine line between psychosis and demon possession.

 

[ZiSunka]

Forgive me for the intrusion brothers and sisters. This happened in my neck of the woods and I've been sorrowfully following the story. I have a good friend who is a state trooper who was one of the first responders to the call.

I'm replying here though because I would be very interested in where you read about the event with the Amish man visiting the family. Care to share where I can find that particular story?

Thanks
Dave

Yes, please do.

 

[ZiSunka]

I just read that an Amish man visited the killer's family, hugged them and forgave him. What a testimony!

For any anabaptist, this is the way I would expect them to behave. I have yet to meet an anabaptist that didn't forgive the person who assaulted/injured/killed them or a family member. It's part of the culture of Christ.

 

[ZiSunka]

One news report here says that he chose an Amish school because he could be sure the girls would be virgins. For some reason, that seems to make sense to the police, but I don't understand it. It isn't like he expected to be around long enough to worry about the longterm effects of an STD.

 

[P_G]

Now to add to the sorrow I heard on the radio station this morning that the members of the Westboro Baptist church (Fred Phelps and company) are going to protest the funerals tomrow and Friday.

For the uninformed this is the ones that run the GODHATES----- Websites and picket funerals of soldiers and anyone else that they think they can get some publicity on.

I got to tell you it is a dark week here in Pennsylvania

PG

 

[Jehane]

More information please PG. I'm 'out of country' & your explaination makes no sense. Whose funerals are they picketing & why?

 

[MrJim]

Forgiveness in the Amish community

 

[Jehane]

CBS carried the story too. I was still looking for the link when I saw you'd posted this one.

 

[ACADEMIC]

http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/26422 contains the info

 

[catlover]

"As we were standing next to the body of this 13-year-old girl, the grandfather was tutoring the young boys, he was making a point, just saying to the family, 'We must not think evil of this man,'" the Rev. Robert Schenck told CNN.

"It was one of the most touching things I have seen in 25 years of Christian ministry."
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[oliveplants]

Thanks, Academic, for finding that.
I read it off my homepage news, and that changes every few hours.

Walkin, I shouldn't think the desire for virgins was related to STDs. It's always a good porn ploy to offer women who look young and innocent; not sure exactly why, but many men seem to prefer it that way.

The picketing funeral thing. This 'church' in Kansas actually protests the funerals of our military, marching and holding signs. It's been awhile since I read anything on them; I can't think why they'd be at the Amish funerals.

 

[kiwimac]

Interesting comment from one Amish woman.

. . .
"One person who had had almost daily encounters with him said that she noted that he never looked into anyone's eyes, he never looked into anyone's faces, and she knew that there was something deeply troubling about him," Schenck said.

"Although she did say, she was very careful to say, that Charles Roberts was not an evil person. That he was a deeply troubled man, that he had, in her words -- the sort of modest words of the Amish -- that he had problems of the heart." . . .

From Quaker Faith and Practice.

. . . Sudden death can be an overwhelming shock. The survivors are lefts with a great sense of the precariousness of existence; the experience can be shattering, a permanent alteration of life. Some are broken by it completely . . .

Let us all continue to pray for the Amish and for the family of Charles Roberts. Let us also remember that however tormented a man he was, God is merciful and compassionate.

Kiwimac

 

[MrJim]

Amen

 

[stlsweeti]

Thank you for sharing the news article with us. It was truly one of the most touching stories I've read in a long time.

 

[ZiSunka]

"One person who had had almost daily encounters with him said that she noted that he never looked into anyone's eyes, he never looked into anyone's faces, and she knew that there was something deeply troubling about him," Schenck said.

"Although she did say, she was very careful to say, that Charles Roberts was not an evil person. That he was a deeply troubled man, that he had, in her words -- the sort of modest words of the Amish -- that he had problems of the heart." . . .

That report has been discreditted. Roberts seemed completely normal in every way according to his wife and coworkers. They never suspected he was troubled or would do something like this. The Amish households where he picked up milk said that he always seemed nice, not overly friendly or shy, but he treated them just like he would treat anyone else, respectful and nice.

His coworkers said that he sort of disengaged from people for a couple weeks, then in the week before the shootings, he seemed normal again and they assumed he had had some kind of flu bug or an upset stomach before. His wife said he always seemed like the same loving man she had known. He hadn't even ever told her how bad he felt about the death of their daughter.

The report of the woman who said he wouldn't make eye contact and all that was a woman who had never met Roberts, according to current reports.

 

[MrJim]

So she just felt she needed to say something to get in the spotlight?

Ya wonder why people do stupid stuff like that...