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post #311 and post #317 make it clear your assertion and belief of Exodus 19:1 show you are incorrect. But it seems nothing will be proof enough for you...sad...but...that's the way it goes it seems.You do not believe I have already studied these things for myself? You still do not even realize what you are doing with the word hodesh: you apparently cannot see, or are not willing to believe, that it also is a day, the first day of a month, which is also called a hodesh.
post #311 and post #317 make it clear your assertion and belief of Exodus 19:1 show you are incorrect. But it seems nothing will be proof enough for you...sad...but...that's the way it goes it seems.
post #208 will tell you which posts contain my entire argument. I've answered these questions many times but, it seems you want to keep hearing the answer over and over again.You may have already answered one or more of the following questions but I would like to have them all answered in a single post so that I can respond to all of them at once. Please answer the following simple questions about your understanding of the calendar.
According to your understanding of the calendar:
1) How many days are in the first month of the year? (or does it change from year to year, I think not, but I don't want to assume)?
2) How many days are in the second month of the year? (or does it change from year to year, I think not, but I don't want to assume)?
3) What day of the (third) month is the fiftieth day of Shabuot, (Hag haShabuot or Pentecost)?
post #308 will tell you which posts contain my entire argument. I've answered these questions many times but, it seems you want to keep hearing the answer over and over again.
Sorry you don't understand that there's no need for me to re-type what I've already written at length eslewhere multiple times everytime someone asks a question about it. I cited the posts so go read them.You've had twenty minutes to correct your post. Post#308 is a post of mine containing a calendar clip. Is that your calendar too? And if not then why can you not simply answer the three simple questions in one single post so I can respond to those three answers all at once? Suddenly you do not wish to discuss your calendar? After all the threads you have posted in the MJ board, forgive me, but I find that difficult to believe.
I corrected my reply in post #323 to read post #208. It would help if you stop acting like some helpless victim or child...just saying...do yourself some good...You've had twenty minutes to correct your post. Post#308 is a post of mine containing a calendar clip. Is that your calendar too? And if not then why can you not simply answer the three simple questions in one single post so I can respond to those three answers all at once? Suddenly you do not wish to discuss your calendar? After all the threads you have posted in the MJ board, forgive me, but I find that difficult to believe.
I corrected my reply in post #323 to read post #208. It would help if you stop acting like some helpless victim or child...just saying...do yourself some good...
So my entire argument may be found in the following posts:
#104
#134
#147
#196 thru 198
#201
Or as your words clearly imply you're too lazy to click on pages and look at the posts and read. So instead of following my citations you'd rather me do the work for you. I'm sorry you having to work is not what you like to do.Lol... And of course that post contains nothing but another list of other posts without even offering links.
And all this so that you can avoid answering three simple questions in one post. I will take this as a tacit (implied) admission that your calendar does not comply with the Torah.
But of course after having answered your questions and issues you raised you just stall and avoid answering the simple question:Lol... And of course that post contains nothing but another list of other posts without even offering links.
And all this so that you can avoid answering three simple questions in one post. I will take this as a tacit (implied) admission that your calendar does not comply with the Torah.
Moses doesn't command the Israelites to observe First Fruits/Feast of Weeks on any other month except the 15th Day of the 1st Month. And the Waving of the Sheaf/First Fruits is connected to no other event than the one Moses speaks of.
The 4th Day then brings us to the 1st Day of the 1st Month of Abib "Spring" in the 1st Year of the World:
Let's lay out the rest of the year:
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SPRING
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Year 1
1st Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______[01]01 02 03 04 (Spring Equinox)
05 06 07 08 09 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30______
2nd Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_______________01 02
03 04 05 06 07 08 09
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (Flood of Noah begins)
24 25 26 27 28 29 30
3rd Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
08 09 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30[01]___________
Thankfully these posts are a matter of public record. Therefore since it is clear you are being willfully ignorant I shall allow the public to view posts #329 and the posts cited in #208. From here they can judge the level of your intelligence and intellectual dishonesty.Okay, so according to your understanding of the Torah and the calendar, (which according to you begins on the fourth day of the week like the DSS calendar), Mosheh commands Yisrael "to observe First Fruits/Feast of Weeks" on "the 15th Day of the 1st Month", which on your calendar is also the fourth day of the week.
Which means therefore that without exception the fifteenth day of the first month in your calendar also falls on the fourth day of the week: which is contrary to what Mosheh actually does command. The reshiyt wave sheaf is to be waved on the morrow of/after the Shabbat, not the fourth day of the week.
Next in this post you do appear to say that your understanding of the first two months of the calendar is that they are thirty days each.
I see that you appear to have an intercalary or intercalendar day at the end of the third month, like the Book of the Luminaries and DSS calendar, which makes me wonder why you appear to have another at the start of the year, bolded and in brackets: it's a little confusing, but since you refuse to answer my questions I can only assume that it represents a final added day, on the end of the previous month, in your calendar, but why it would be included here in the first month is a mystery to me.
Howbeit one may clearly see on your calendar for the first month that the fifteenth indeed falls on the fourth day of the week, just as I said above herein, which is in direct contradiction to what is commanded in the Torah since you say that day is the day of the firstfruits wave sheaf offering and your calendar begins with the fourth day of the week.
I really didn't even need to go into what I was getting at earlier here because I didn't realize how terribly wrong your theory actually is.
Why doesn't Scripture and the Dead Sea Scrolls support your theory as shown in post #195?
To explain what I shared on post #147 I asked myself the question:
If Yeshua died on Abib 14 Passover and was buried on either a Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday, then what day of the week would Abib 1 begin for each of these doctrines?
After all there are only 7 Days of the Week one may begin their calendar year on. When I started out the beginning of the year on the following days of the week I observed the following:
Saturday Burial Doctrines
Calendars which begin Abib 1 on Sunday will logically have Yeshua buried on Saturday Abib 14.
Sunday Burial Doctrines
- 1st Month of Abib
- 01 02 03 04 05 06 07
- 01 02 03 04 05 06 07
- 08 09 10 11 12 13 14
- 15 16 17 18 19 20 21
- 22 23 24 25 26 27 28
- 29 30_______________
Calendars which begin Abib 1 on Monday will logically have Yeshua buried on Sunday Abib 14.
Monday Burial Doctrines
- 1st Month of Abib
- 01 02 03 04 05 06 07
- ___01 02 03 04 05 06
- 07 08 09 10 11 12 13
- 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
- 21 22 23 24 25 26 27
- 28 29 30____________
Calendars which begin Abib 1 on Tuesday will logically have Yeshua buried on Monday Abib 14.
Tuesday Burial Doctrines
- 1st Month of Abib
- 01 02 03 04 05 06 07
- ______01 02 03 04 05
- 06 07 08 09 10 11 12
- 13 14 15 16 17 18 19
- 20 21 22 23 24 25 26
- 27 28 29 30_________
Calendars which begin Abib 1 on Wednesday will logically have Yeshua buried on Tuesday Abib 14.
Wednesday Burial Doctrines
- 1st Month of Abib
- 01 02 03 04 05 06 07
- _________01 02 03 04
- 05 06 07 08 09 10 11
- 12 13 14 15 16 17 18
- 19 20 21 22 23 24 25
- 26 27 28 29 30______
Calendars which begin Abib 1 on Thursday will logically have Yeshua buried on Wednesday Abib 14.
Thursday Burial Doctrines
- 1st Month of Abib
- 01 02 03 04 05 06 07
- ____________01 02 03
- 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
- 11 12 13 14 15 16 17
- 18 19 20 21 22 23 24
- 25 26 27 28 29 30___
Calendars which begin Abib 1 on Friday will logically have Yeshua buried on Thursday Abib 14.
Friday Burial Doctrines
- 1st Month of Abib
- 01 02 03 04 05 06 07
- _______________01 02
- 03 04 05 06 07 08 09
- 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
- 17 18 19 20 21 22 23
- 24 25 26 27 28 29 30
Calendars which begin Abib 1 on Saturday will logically have Yeshua buried on Friday Abib 14.
- 1st Month of Abib
- 01 02 03 04 05 06 07
- __________________01
- 02 03 04 05 06 07 08
- 09 10 11 12 13 14 15
- 16 17 18 19 20 21 22
- 23 24 25 26 27 28 29
- 30__________________
So with these simple and powerful observations I concluded it doesn't matter what calendar system or mode of counting you use. You will by default choose one of the seven options I laid out above to remain logically consistent with your own doctrine.
From here I asked myself two final questions:
The answers were undeniable:
- What day of the week did God create the luminaries in Genesis 1:1-2:3?
- What day of the week did the Qumran Community begin their calendar year in the Dead Sea Scrolls Mishmarot A (4Q320)?
If we recall our basic geometry lesson on right triangles we learned the following formula:
- God created the luminaries on the 4th Day/Wednesday.
- The Qumran Community began their calendar year on the 4th Day/Wednesday.
a² + b² = c²
This formula tells us that if you know the angles for two sides of a right triangle then you know the angle for the third side will be the sum of the first two sides.
In closing since we know that God created the luminaries on the 4th Day/Wednesday and the Qumran Community began their calendar year on the 4th Day/Wednesday then we know that out of all seven possible start dates for Abib 1: the Tuesday Burial Doctrines are the only ones which align with our first two documents.
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Calendar Year Begins with new plant life in the Spring
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"Then God said, “Let the waters below the heavens be gathered into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. God called the dry land earth, and the gathering of the waters He called seas; and God saw that it was good. Then God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit after their kind with seed in them”; and it was so. The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good. There was evening and there was morning, a third day."
Genesis 1:9-13 NASB1995
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Calendar Year Begins on the 4th Day/Wednesday
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"Then God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also. God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good. There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day."
Genesis 1:14-19 NASB1995
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Thankfully these posts are a matter of public record. Therefore since it is clear you are being willfully ignorant I shall allow the public to view posts #329 and the posts cited in #208. From here they can judge the level of your intelligence and intellectual dishonesty.
At least I know you're a real life example of the person described by king Solomon:
"A scoffer seeks wisdom and finds none, But knowledge is easy to one who has understanding."
Proverbs 14:6 NASB1995
"A scoffer does not love one who reproves him, He will not go to the wise."
Proverbs 15:12 NASB1995
@daq it's actually pretty sad that you've stooped to such a low level.
I wondered why you've kept tailing me...and it became clear you never let go of whatever you were holding onto back on page 8 in posts #148-150.
The quote is incorrect: it has been corrupted, specifically the following statement.
It is clearly supposed to be the sun or the sun and the stars, not the moon, and the moon does no such thing even according this same writing, (Book of the Luminaries), in other places. This is why the 1917 R. H. Charles translation says the sun and places those two words in bold text, for he knew this could not be so, and counts it as an error, and emends it in his translation, (see the last link below: bold face font in his translation signifies an emendation of the text).
Enoch - Book of Enoch Ge'ez Interlinear
The Book of Enoch: The Book of the Courses of the Heavenly Luminaries: Chapter LXXIV
The Book of Enoch: Abbreviations, Brackets and Symbols Specially Used in the Translation of 1 Enoch
Thanks for such useful links! I never bothered to check for an interlinear for Enoch. Even in the interlinear it does say the moon brings in all her days and years perfectly; while the sun and stars bring in the year perfectly. It's a bit difficult to decipher at first but Enoch was making the point that the Intercalation of those overplus days from the Sun will help the Moon catch up every 5 Years so that by Year 50 the Moon will have 18,000 Days and thus catch up on all her days and years. So Enoch is not saying the Moon is the leader of the year, nor have I said that.
Lol! At least I now know I don't have to take you seriously anymore ha ha ha. You said at the end of post #334 that you supposedly couldn't find the "faulty 1 Enoch translation" and yet, in my thread which you cited shows you giving me the Ge'ez translation you claimed to be "faulty" lol! And this was also used by R.H. Charles.My refutations of your theories are also public record. And after looking back again I see that others have also already tried to explain similar things if not the same to you, (at least concerning firstfruits). Their posts are public record too.
You cannot see the difference between a scoffer and someone who is speaking what he believes to be the truth from the Word?
Huh? What level did I stoop to? the fact that I have the audacity to speak what I believe to be the truth from the Torah and it doesn't agree with your views? The idea that someone might have the audacity to say you are wrong? How many times have you told others they are wrong? Who is the one claiming that if anyone doesn't agree with his view and with the DSS calendar they are wrong? You don't even realize you are mixing two different calendars from the DSS and yet anyone who does not agree with you is automatically wrong? even when they have Torah that refutes the things you say?
Not true, in fact, I responded to this thread before you did. Please review Post#3.
Moreover, at least now I realize why you were posting a faulty translation of 1Enoch in a previous thread, and by the way, I went and searched for that reading and could not find any translation of 1Enoch that matches word for word what you posted there.
Introduction to Enoch's Intercalary Lunar Months
Lol! At least I now know I don't have to take you seriously anymore ha ha ha. You said at the end of post #334 that you supposedly couldn't find the "faulty 1 Enoch translation" and yet, in my thread which you cited shows you giving me the Ge'ez translation you claimed to be "faulty" lol! And this was also used by R.H. Charles.
After going through my thread you cited in post #334 it's clear you just never liked the fact that the Bible supports the calendar of Enoch and that they both match the Dead Sea Scrolls. Get your story straight before trying to expound on Scripture.
Lol this is because R.H. Charles didn't perform the math as I did in my thread you cited in post #334. But another translator by the name of R.A. Gilbert did. There is no "corruption" in the text for what R.H. Charles failed to recognize in 1 Enoch 74 was that Enoch was showing how after 50 Years the Moon completes all of her years in 364 Days each....but because Charles assumed that Enoch was only referring to the Sun and stars as being the only 2 out of 3 luminaries which can complete the year in 364 Days he couldn't make sense of what Enoch was saying in regards to the Moon in 1 Enoch 74.You misunderstand again: the translation you quoted, (for which you gave no link, nor did you cite the translation), is an English translation of the Ethiopian Ge'ez text, which in itself is a translation from another language, probably Aramaic. The Ethiopian Ge'ez text was incorrectly translated in that passage and the English translation didn't catch the mistake like the R.H. Charles translation did.
The errors abound in what you posted there, and as I said, I couldn't even find a word for word rendering of what you posted anywhere online. It looks to me like you changed some of the words in the text and combined part of the R.H. Charles translation with another translation to make up your own text. Is that indeed what you did? And is that why you didn't cite the translation or offer a link?
It wouldn't bother me in the least if that's what you were doing, but if so, shouldn't you let people know that was what you were doing? You even put the text in quotes. Can you provide a link? or if you quoted it from a book, can you cite the book wherein you found that text?
And if you think this isn't important then perhaps you should stop telling everyone that they must believe your version of the calendar which you claim to be based on 1Enoch, (Book of the Luminaries).
Lol! At least I now know I don't have to take you seriously anymore ha ha ha. You said at the end of post #334 that you supposedly couldn't find the "faulty 1 Enoch translation" and yet, in my thread which you cited shows you giving me the Ge'ez translation you claimed to be "faulty" lol! And this was also used by R.H. Charles.
After going through my thread you cited in post #334 it's clear you just never liked the fact that the Bible supports the calendar of Enoch and that they both match the Dead Sea Scrolls. Get your story straight before trying to expound on Scripture.
You misunderstand again: the translation you quoted, (for which you gave no link, nor did you cite the translation), is an English translation of the Ethiopian Ge'ez text, which in itself is a translation from another language, probably Aramaic. The Ethiopian Ge'ez text was incorrectly translated in that passage and the English translation didn't catch the mistake like the R.H. Charles translation did.
The errors abound in what you posted there, and as I said, I couldn't even find a word for word rendering of what you posted anywhere online. It looks to me like you changed some of the words in the text and combined part of the R.H. Charles translation with another translation to make up your own text. Is that indeed what you did? And is that why you didn't cite the translation or offer a link?
It wouldn't bother me in the least if that's what you were doing, but if so, shouldn't you let people know that was what you were doing? You even put the text in quotes. Can you provide a link? or if you quoted it from a book, can you cite the book wherein you found that text?
And if you think this isn't important then perhaps you should stop telling everyone that they must believe your version of the calendar which you claim to be based on 1Enoch, (Book of the Luminaries).
Anyways thanks for the laughs this morning I'm off to a great start. Everyone can view my clear charts on my thread you cited in post #334 to understand what has been said in the quotes in this post.Lol this is because R.H. Charles didn't perform the math as I did in my thread you cited in post #334. But another translator by the name of R.A. Gilbert did. There is no "corruption" in the text for what R.H. Charles failed to recognize in 1 Enoch 74 was that Enoch was showing how after 50 Years the Moon completes all of her years in 364 Days each....but because Charles assumed that Enoch was only referring to the Sun and stars as being the only 2 out of 3 luminaries which can complete the year in 364 Days he couldn't make sense of what Enoch was saying in regards to the Moon in 1 Enoch 74.
And this would explain why you couldn't find the translation I quoted, because like R.H. Charles you assumed the Ge'ez translation was faulty and therefore never found it. Yet funny enough you admit to their being a "faulty" English translation which was caught by R.H. Charles...more examples of you contradicting yourself...
Lol this is because R.H. Charles didn't perform the math as I did in my thread you cited in post #334. But another translator by the name of R.A. Gilbert did. There is no "corruption" in the text for what R.H. Charles failed to recognize in 1 Enoch 74 was that Enoch was showing how after 50 Years the Moon completes all of her years in 364 Days each....but because Charles assumed that Enoch was only referring to the Sun and stars as being the only 2 out of 3 luminaries which can complete the year in 364 Days he couldn't make sense of what Enoch was saying in regards to the Moon in 1 Enoch 74.
And this would explain why you couldn't find the translation I quoted, because like R.H. Charles you assumed the Ge'ez translation was faulty and therefore never found it. Yet funny enough you admit to their being a "faulty" English translation which was caught by R.H. Charles...more examples of you contradicting yourself...
Anyways thanks for the laughs this morning I'm off to a great start. Everyone can view my clear charts on my thread you cited in post #334 to understand what has been said in the quotes in this post.
Otherwise back to the main topic of this thread...
@daq after pondering your attitude here and my thread about Enoch's lunar intercalations...it just sounds like you're jealous you didn't find these things out for yourself.
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