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Well, yes and no with being willing to do it yourself.
You know Cris, they put animals down more humanely than
K, she said nothing of us taking any vengeance -
Again, this is promoting legalism - this is your personal view of
We are too busy??? Are you speaking for me & every other
Neither is it a command that we should get involved in politics. I have for many years seen priests and ministers telling people from the pulpit that to vote for a certain 'type' [read party affiliation] of candidate is a sin. In my mind, that is wrong.
Right here you are saying that people who lean left politically are in conflict with God. It simply ain't true. My theologically conservative convictions lead me to lean left politically. I'm sick and tired of people painting the Democrats and liberals as 'unChristian'.
It's only wrong if they pick the wrong party to promote
Let's go back to Jim's post - he stated that the lack of example
proved we CANNOT get involved. Now youre twisting it to
to the other extreme of it not being a command.
It's not covered either way, so Christians are clearly able to participate
politically if they so choose to and according to the laws of their
own land.
I'm not getting into this fight with you Belinda. I know the past here
and other things around other forums.
I frankly don't care what you think as to what I discern from different people on the left.
I know what gets promoted around here from liberals and often
that the Bible is discredited and dismantled; when the
fruit presents itself. . . it is what it is.
I won't get into your personal political beliefs - I would say plenty about
your statement, but obviously CF has a 'nothing personal' policy here
(a gag order).
Well when you're God and can judge the souls of those who make all
the votes, then I'll take your statement into higher regard.
Since you can't, that's your personal opinion.
But I have never said that democrats can't be Christian
(for the record) - also, many democrats are not liberal, there is
a distinction.
Well we can see by Obama that he stepped right in and opened up
abortion right away........ so, I think that speaks well enough on
its own as to how God sees it.
When he campaigned he openly said he was pro choice incl.
PBA. Nuff said.
People are judged by their beliefs and actions and I leave that up
to God, I just listen to individual messages & pick out who I will not
get counsel from or publically hang with and work against false teachings.
God's word is clear on division and I obey that . If He didn't tell us
to divide from any or what to beware of, then I wouldn't have to make any decisions on these issues.
It's one thing to blindly vote or vote a cause (lesser of an evil), it's another to support the morals (or lack thereof) and preach other
gospels.
2 John 1
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
Jim you didnt come anywhere near addressing the points in my post but you did however succeed in derailing this thread back to your personal PoV that Christians shouldnt be involved with politics.
Why dont you start a thread to discuss this further. Oh wait you did in a fine attempt to debunk Conservative Christianity perhaps you should ask that thread be reopened or perhaps start another thread that doesnt throw stones at Conservatives.
And Belinda .I dont think anyone is targeting individual Dems, but rather the extreme Liberal AGENDA.
I have been a liberal a lot longer than I have been a conservative and Im not that much older than you are and I can tell you that the Liberalism we see today is FAR removed from what liberal meant 30+ years ago.
30 years ago liberal meant Right to Life it wasnt a conservative issue it was a liberal issue .right up there with save the seals, save the whales, save the Rain Forest and save the whatever .Now somehow society seems to be more concerned about dolphin caught in fishnets, whales killed and captured and baby seals being bludgeoned than they are about jabbing scissors into our babies skulls and sucking out their brains!
30 years ago, social injustice was unequal OPPORTUNITY not entitlement and pandering to certain minorities. And do you know WHY we still even HAVE minorities hmmmm .because the FED and the ACLU still INSIST these folks ARE minorities .thats why .IMHO .there would be NO minorities...if people of influence would STOP CALLING THEM MINORITIES and maintaining that division! Good grief!
30+ years ago the liberal mindset was Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country not dependency on the FED to meet every WANT NOW .many think the FED should provide our bling, our cell phones, our plasma TVs and our mani-pedies!
30+ years ago the Welfare system was meant to be temporary assistance NOT a way of life and God help those (and I mean that literally) who never bought into the system and DO find themselves in temporary need .NO SOUP FOR YOU because you made too much money the year before where in reasonable context that make sense!
And exactly what social injustices have the Dems solved?
Far too many of our elderly are living in squalor because they bought the Liberal lie one could retire on social security ..and the Dems have righted that injustice how????.....by TAXING Social Security and adding to the burden of our elderly on fixed incomes, thank you Mr Clinton
OH....and should I dare mention Mr Carter's wonderful Mental Health Systems Act that allows those suffering from schizophrenia, delirium, alzheimers and various other mental illness the right to check themselves out of facilities AMA that WOULD actually care for them and provide for their needs so they can become indigent and live on the streets! *Without any plausible alternative to providing for their heath and well being and effectively binding family members from making decisions in the best interest of their loved ones. Yeah...that certainly righted a grievous social injustice!
The Fair Lending Act what a crock disguised as some sort of anti-discrimination act which in effect set people of lower income up to fail by FORCING lenders to loan money to people who would NEVER be able to pay it back! And in the process .make them even MORE dependant on the FED.
How heinous is that! Set people up to believe they are entitled to the American dream simply because of their ethnicity and/or birthright...only to have their dreams dashed by reality that eventually the note comes due.
Not ONLY did the Liberals set them up but then through their corruption and greed in the Fanny May and Freddie Mac debacle .managed quite nicely crippled the economy to boot and now NO ONE will be able to aspire to the dream for a very, very long time...IF EVER again!
And the Liberals can blame Bush all the want still doesnt change the FACT that the Dem Majority House and Senate set this all in motion and then pulled the rug out from under the economy .and what I do hold Bush accountable for .is his pandering to them in the last few years of his administration.
Another FACT .While the Liberals are all about lip sevice - shouting from the platform "help the needy" but yet .it's conservative charitable giving that does the WORK....and FAR surpasses liberal giving and there is ample data to back that assertion.
So...in the Liberal AGENDA to rob from the rich and give to the poor they are essentially binding the hands of those who DO ACTUALLY GIVE AND PROVIDE FOR THE NEEDY.
And more dastardly and insidious even .their tax plans not only rob from the rich (who actually provide the means to have a strong economy) but to also rob from the middle class (the very backbone of the country) AND the poor as well....pouring it ALL into the (corrupt on both sides of the isle) FED which is growing more and more GIGANTIC by the minute...taking over private industry after private and sending Spending and Debt through the stratosphere all the while forcing more and more Americans to be dependant on the GOVERNMENT!
So while this Robin Hood Economic Plan may sound good to the masses it is NOT good and will destroy this countrys already crippled economy .BUT .THAT IS AND WAS THE PLAN OF THE POWERS THAT BE FROM THE BEGINNING AS THE AGENDA TO MOVE TOWARD A NEW WORLD ORDER oh Im sorry .the PC term is now GLOBALIZATION
And for the record .IMHO this agenda is NOT DEM specific .the REPs are certainly playing their part too however the Liberals are certainly fast tracking this agenda.
Shall I go on? Because I can and we can get into the further details regarding this Admins Tax plans where basically .Pelosi stated ..EVERYTHING is on the table to be taxed through the roof! And who will feel this hit hardest .the poor and needy .and there will more than likely be a whole lot LESS conservative charitable giving because there will simply be nothing left to give!
Or perhaps youd like to talk about the Dems plan to confiscate your 401K and put it in the National Treasury .to be doled out at their discretion AND if you die .YOUR money stays in the FED and will NOT be handed down to YOUR children.
The abortion issue there has always been the atrocity of abortion from the beginning....when children were sacrificed on the alters of Baal and Moloch and so on to modern day procedures .
..and please, PLEASE tell me how lifting the ban on Partial Birth Abortion is righting some social injustice!
Planned Parenthood USED to be about preventing unplanned pregnancies not aborting UNWANTED pregnancies or committing infanticide because the child isnt perfect or simply because ooops .Im in my second or third trimester and decided its not a good time to have a baby after all! GOD HELP US ALL!
SO we can take FED dollars OUR TAX DOLLARS and send it to foreign countries to promote unregulated abortions which I dont even support in my own country, let alone around the WORLD . all the while our economy is collapsing and spending and debt is totally out of control!
And Jim before you get all antsy with dust blowing up your knickers .and start once again espousing how politics have no place in Christianity and what a bad example Conservative set to the world
Consider .observing, commenting and discussing current events, social, civic and political issues DOES NOT MEAN ANYONE PLACES THESE THINGS ABOVE GOD AND ABOVE BEING ABOUT HIS KINGDOM BUSINESS!
So before you decide to go all blah blah blah on a myopic and MOOT point and causing yet even more strife, discord and division in this forum heres a thought .maybe you should also consider practicing what you preach log off...and go out knocking on some doors sharing the Gospel!
Ive had it
....we now return you to your regularly scheduled endoctrination....I mean....programming....
Just because THEY tell you it's GOOD...doesn't make it GOOD!
Poor Sarah~I wish she wasn't so pretty, every time I see her my brain disengages and I just sorta stare and don't listen and agree with everything she says...it's not a political thing either--when Maureen Dowd is on Meet the Press the same thing happens...
<<derail over>>
