Did sin come into the world outside of thought ...

[x141]

... any thoughts.

 

[OzSpen]

... any thoughts.

How does Matthew 15:9 answer your question? 'For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander' (ESV).

Then add Jeremiah 17:9, 'The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?'

The problem with sin is deeper than our thoughts.

Oz

 

[x141]

How did it become this way?

 

[4evrhis]

When the serpent spoke to Eve he triggered her pride, which we all know is why Satan fell from grace with God. We all have the selfish desires, the heart is not pure in any man, that is why we need the holy spirit for correction and direction, and protection.

 

[x141]

When the serpent spoke to Eve he triggered her pride, which we all know is why Satan fell from grace with God. We all have the selfish desires, the heart is not pure in any man, that is why we need the holy spirit for correction and direction, and protection.

So man was made/created this way? or was it through words (which is a byproduct of thought) ...

Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of
God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Isa14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Mal 2:6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.

 

[OzSpen]

How did it become this way?

Genesis 3, the Fall into sin by Adam and Eve, explains the beginning of sin. The Christian teaching on original sin provides the explanation of the consequences of sin. See 'Thoughts on original sin' by Robert Hamilton.

 

[x141]

Genesis 3, the Fall into sin by Adam and Eve, explains the beginning of sin. The Christian teaching on original sin provides the explanation of the consequences of sin. See 'Thoughts on original sin' by Robert Hamilton.

My post was not for me.

As for myself, I only eat that which grows of itself.

 

[Viren]

Sin is being controlled by desires instead of the Spirit. So it's kind of a dysfunction.

 

[OzSpen]

My post was not for me.

As for myself, I only eat that which grows of itself.

I have not a clue what you are meaning to communicate.

 

[x141]

Sin is being controlled by desires instead of the Spirit. So it's kind of a dysfunction.

Is there desire without a seed?

Jesus said of those who questioned whether they were blind also said, because you say I see your sin remains, which were the thoughts that prompted their reply to his words.

 

[x141]

I have not a clue what you are meaning to communicate.

We rely so very little on the spirit, who alone can define the words that he himself forms. Instead we look to this one or that one, or christ is over here, or over there, or on this book or that book not understanding that these things are hidden/inclusive in a name that no one knows but the one who receives it and to which no man can define but the one who gave it, which leads the individual back to the same truth that he is as it did Jesus who was taught of his Father in this same manner (but whatever measure we meet it with is what is measured back to us).

It is reasoning that corrupts both will and emotion, and in scripture it is indicative of a third that is cast down, but it is also reasoning that makes our sins white as snow, which is the difference between the labor by thought to be (or the tilling of the ground) as opposed to all the treasures of wisdom knowledge that were freely given from the beginning.

The year of jubilee is to the land (that one eats from) what Christ is to the soul, in this relationship all have been called to.

The law was a truth cast down.

 

[4evrhis]

So man was made/created this way? or was it through words (which is a byproduct of thought) ...

Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of
God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Isa14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the
clouds; I will be like the most High.

Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Mal 2:6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.

Sin is not sin until it becomes an action. Once it becomes an action there are consequences to that action. Jesus taught that a Christian is not to even think about a sinful thing because thoughts are powerful and can be used by satan to hit us at weak moment in our lives. If a person thinks on a sinful action long enough he can justify it in his own will that it is right.

 

[x141]

Sin is not sin until it becomes an action. Once it becomes an action there are consequences to that action. Jesus taught that a Christian is not to even think about a sinful thing because thoughts are powerful and can be used by satan to hit us at weak moment in our lives. If a person thinks on a sinful action long enough he can justify it in his own will that it is right.

Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

 

[brinny]

... any thoughts.

Sin came into the world through sin himself, the serpent that tempted Eve.

Thank you kindly.

 

[x141]

Sin came into the world through sin himself, the serpent that tempted Eve.

Thank you kindly.

Describe the process ... as it would relate to you.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny View Post
Sin came into the world through sin himself, the serpent that tempted Eve.

Thank you kindly.

Describe the process ... as it would relate to you.

Not following you brother. Describe what process, and what do you mean by "as it would relate to you"?

Thank you kindly.

 

[OzSpen]

Sin is not sin until it becomes an action. Once it becomes an action there are consequences to that action. Jesus taught that a Christian is not to even think about a sinful thing because thoughts are powerful and can be used by satan to hit us at weak moment in our lives. If a person thinks on a sinful action long enough he can justify it in his own will that it is right.

That's not my understanding of what the Bible teaches. Psalm 51:5 states,

Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me (NIV).

I sin because I have a sinful nature, being sinful from conception. Romans 7:14 puts it this way:

So the trouble is not with the law, for it is spiritual and good. The trouble is with me, for I am all too human, a slave to sin (NLT).

Being a slave to sin means that I sin in practical actions towards others and myself.

Oz

 

[4evrhis]

That's not my understanding of what the Bible teaches. Psalm 51:5 states,

I sin because I have a sinful nature, being sinful from conception. Romans 7:14 puts it this way:

Being a slave to sin means that I sin in practical actions towards others and myself.

Oz

Jesus came to be a sacrifice and an atonement for these sins that we were born into. When we let the Holy Spirit lead us we are capable of controlling sinful thoughts that lead to sinful actions. A Christian does not have to be a slave to sin, Jesus came to set the captive free....what does it mean ...I sin in practical actions towards others and myself?

 

[OzSpen]

Jesus came to be a sacrifice and an atonement for these sins that we were born into. When we let the Holy Spirit lead us we are capable of controlling sinful thoughts that lead to sinful actions. A Christian does not have to be a slave to sin, Jesus came to set the captive free....what does it mean ...I sin in practical actions towards others and myself?

You did not address the Scriptures I raised.

 

[4evrhis]

Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Sin always appeals to our senses first, via sight, hearing, taste, touch, or smell. As a Christian with the help of the Holy Spirit we are able to stop these
sinful thoughts (lusts) As long as we are in this world we will always have to deal with sin but with the Holy Spirit's leadership we will win the fight.