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We are dead to sin in that sin can no longer separate us from God because of the justification of Christ. Dead to the consequences of sin, separation from God.I believe Paul was still feeling the guilt of having put so many Christians to death before he met Christ. Did he mean he still sinned? Wasn't he the same person who wrote we are dead to sin? If someone is dead to sin, they are no longer a sinner, unless they go into complete rebellion against God. Did Paul ever do that?
You specfically were talking about Paul in your post and said just because he was the chief of sinners doesn't mean that Paul sinned.I wouldn't suggest that anyone was or wasn't a sinner.....Whether they be in the bible or not. I only asked a questions about a statement that was made. If you say you are one who sins and know you will sin in the future....I say, you are right and i believe you. I would not, however, believe that everyone would be in this same condition.
You specfically were talking about Paul in your post and said just because he was the chief of sinners doesn't mean that Paul sinned.
Good questions.
Just because Paul said that he was Chief of sinners does it necessarily implies that he was a sinner as well? Does a Chief carry the same title of the subjects? Would the savior or head over sinners, have to be a sinner as well? Not that obvious to me.
The Lord's Prayer is a powerful teaching of how to prayer.....as opposed to what should be repeated while praying.
So you don't ask for forgiveness of your sins?This particular line shows us that, to be forgiven, we have to forgive our Brothers. This same sentiment is taught throughout the gospels and scriptures....e.g. the parable of the Man who was forgiven a big debt but then was thrown in jail because he refused to forgive the little debt of a servant.... etc... Very powerful when understood. I dont see the relations to someone sinning and then asking for forgiveness.....
I'm not upset. I was asking questions.YOU SAY:
This is the post you are referring to UNCHANGED:
As most should be able to see, I only asked questions and stated that the answers werent that clear to me.
I dont make exclamations about scripture, I know only what God shows me..and, therefore, there is no reason to boost in this knowledge or expect that anyone else should see things like I do, knowing that had it not been revealed to me ...I wouldnt see it this way either....
But when you have man's wisdom.....wisdom you studied hard to acquire... this wisdom, you want others to accept and take your word for without question....and if they dont, you get upset.
I think the majority of Christians would disagree with you. I is part of the liturgy of the church I attend and many others.
So you don't ask for forgiveness of your sins?
I was speaking in general for "the reader." I havent considered your emotional state.....(which, maybe i should do more) and therefore did not believe you to be angry. You dont have to worry about offending me either....a fruit of the spirit is slowness to get angry and swiftness to show mercy. I will have to start my first works over when reading words can move me to anger.I'm not upset. I was asking questions.
I'm sorry that offended you. I won't bother you again.
Be blesssed.
I agree with you, most christians would disagree with me. I use to walk a path that had many followers and many people that agreed. I have been taken off this path, by no will of my own, and put on this dark lonely path. Sometimes i want to run back into the crowd, but I cant. So I will tarry in the darkness unto I am shown the great light.
.it's not about the definition of sin but the definition of sinner! that's where you guys are butting heads. sin is falling short of the glory of God POINT BLANK PERIOD. and we all do it! believer and non believer but the difference between a sinner and a saint is that a sinner lives in sin! a sinner practices sin and a sinner isn't IN CHRIST!
I'm sorry that I was content being a part of the multitude for as long as I did. A lot of time wasted, a lot of ground to make up....But I plan to see it to to end.Sorry that you feel like you are "away from the crowd" and "in darkness".
However, I really don't know what you mean by that.
Please see post # 101 on page six.What does being dead to sin mean to you?
That sin is just not imputed to you? That you can still sin and it is covered by the blood? That isn't the true gospel. He who is made free, is free indeed. Free how? To keep on sinning? Or to be free from the struggle not to sin because the desire has been crucified?
Please examine your doctrine. What you have now is just a bandaid over pus. That diminishes the power of the blood of Jesus.
I'm still not getting what you are talking about.I'm sorry that I was content being a part of the multitude for as long as I did. A lot of time wasted, a lot of ground to make up....But I plan to see it to to end.
The people who sat in darkness saw great light....
Are you saying that you always perfectly obey God? In order to be perfect one must sell all they own, and give to the poor. How many times can your brother sin against you and still be forgiven? Seven times? Matthew 18:21-22
Yes, being afraid of man's reaction is sinning against God. If God says "do this" and you are so frightened of others that you say "no," you have disobeyed God.
God told Peter to treat Gentiles like they were clean. Peter said "no" to God's command when his Jewish friends showed up. Peter stood against God. Paul corrected him.
So, when you called on the Lord, to offer repentance, and belief in God. You asked for forgiveness of being afraid of a man's reaction?
God Bless,
SBC
We've been over this issue before in another thread so I see no need to readdress your objection since I already pointed out the fault in your argument. I see your belief as heterodox at best and heretical at worst. You of course are entitled to believe as you wish so no need to discuss further.
Hi Kenny,
True Christians were sinners, but the power of Jesus blood to cleanse us is to the uttermost of all past sins. Then the power of the Holy Spirit makes us dead to present and future desires to sin.
.I am not a sinner! I am a Saint... I am a new creation in Christ! I am the Head and not the tail! I am a child of God! I am a joint heir with Christ... I am free! and who the Son sets free is free indeed!!!!!!!
.My brother a converted man can sin and if you say you are without sin, you lie and truth is not in you. I would say this tho, a converted man could not live in or practice sin because the seed of God (Holy Spirit) is in him and He cannot live in or practice sin.... God Bless
Kenny? The only people who use that are people who knew me growing up.
Do you walk perfectly, without error, ALL the time? The answer is no... we still on occasion fall short because we haven't been perfected yet. We are still imperfect, saved if you want to use that word... children of the Most High.. but still in a fallen state and we will, unknowingly or unintentionally, fall short. That is sin... when we miss the mark, break a commandment, walk outside of God's will. The difference now is it isn't rebellion AND we know to confess and learn from the mistake, not making it again.
1 Tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
The bold, in Greek, "ego emi," I am... present tense. Not I was... Paul was stating that, even though this is after the resurrection, he still saw himself as a sinner. Not purposefully, not as an act of rebellion... but because we have not yet been made incorruptible.
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