Hi Limo
Thank you for your reply. In truth I am somewhat disappointed in your response. At the very least I expected you to have an understanding of the Christian faith been that this is a Christian site. Your response seem to be filled with accusations and prejudice against Christianity rather than an informed and though provoking explanation you have filled your respone with a multitude of accusations that do not fit the response.
I didn't include proofs and evidences as I was answering a question of my thoughts about Pauline-Christinty.
FYI, We've nothing in Islam (Quran and Hadeeth) about Paul. These thoughts are from Western Christian Scholars readings.
You can find some details about what is Pauline-Christinty and why it's called by that name here
Pauline Christianity - Wikipedia
Thus due to your lack of any reference I accept your statement the Pauline Christianity is derived from the character and belief of El-messiah (Jesus Christ) in the Islamic faith and modern Islamic scholars and has no basis of faith and or any following from a biblical view point.
I didn't say so. Let me explain.
We believe in one character/person/human prophet like any other prophet his name is El-Messiah Issa Ibn (son) of Mariam. He was Israelite born from a woman without a father. He was their to preach Israelite only and push them to abide to Mosa's Law. He lived until he raised as a Jew (Even Gospels confirms this), was circumcised, prayed as a Jew, scarifies in Holy of Holies (mountain temple not the Greek Pagan Idol), Needed help of the Creator to raise him to heaven alive before Crucifixion or death on the cross.
This is totally different from the invented mythical character Jesus-Christ who is figured by early fathers and made a state of the art god from all known gods at that time.
Your reference to El-messiah or Jesus Christ as a mere prophet is incorrect from a Christian perspective as well as from a Qur’anic perspective. Yet this is a separate topic from my question. However I am will to debate this with you if you so desire.
I know there is full disagreement between Islamic recognition of El-Messiah and the mythic character Jesus-Christ
Your next paragraph reads:-
“Now look to what is called Christinity that is invented by Paul and Paul who decided the Laws, He preached among the gentiles (El-Messiah didn't), He stopped circumspection, stopped Mosa's Law, stopped scarifying in the Holy of Helios, a few other people continued the trip of the new religion by adding Crucifixion, resurrection, Son of God, Trinity, church,,, and they've adapted/changed the books accordingly.
to the level that the Christianity invented by Paul is totally different from El-Messiah teaching and his way of life.”
This is a ludicrous and idiotic statement and show little if any understanding of the Apostle Paul’s teachings. Again it is un-substantiated and without references and thus is viewed as a simpletons attach on something he knows little about. For example you make reference to Helios - Helios was the personification of the Sun in Greek mythology and you are trying to link this to the teachings of Paul. I suggest you start by reading the book of Acts in the New Testament before responding further.
I mean Holy of Holies (mountain temple) not Helios Greek idol.
It's there in Gospel that El-Messiah was circumcised, prayed in mountain temple, scarifies, prayed to the Creator, put his head on earth and cried.
Let me know if you can't find these statements in Gospels.
Your statement “If you review history, you'll find the known as Jesus-Christ character now is figured for the first time in Constantine Council 381 .” Since Jesus Christ is the Son of God and is one with the Father, His character is reference throughout the Torah or as Muslims refer to it as the Taurat, thus you should know better than makong this poor comment.
Absolutly Jesus-Christ charecter as Son of God or God the Son or Trinity is neither in Torah nor in Quran.
Neverthless, it's not explictly said in Gospels except for John 1-1 and even some churches are not accepting this statement and consider it's added later by Trinity beleivers.
These are all
Your final paragraph reads:-
“All sects/churches known now are all branches of Pauline-Christianity except for some Unitarians but unfortunately they're missing the true original books of the true Apostles”
You have avoided my question by making a blanket statement without any reference to any accepted faith. Please can you give me just one reference to a sects/churches faith statement that says they follow the Pauline Christianity?
There is no such refrence. Let me explain, Whenever we say Pauline-Christinty we don't mean that everything has been defined and adapted as per Paul. It's referring to a school of thinking which Paul started it when he stopped circumsation, Mosa's Law, sacrifices in monutain temple....
Please in fairness this is not an unreasonable request, and since you claim all sects and churches now follow this supposed newly invented Pauline Christianity this should not be a hard task. If you cannot that’s also ok with me, but proves the case and authority of the teaching of Paul as referenced in the Quran.
As I said It's school of thinking Paul started it. It end up with a relegion that El-Messiag neither beleive nor practiced it. Just review Jesus-Christ way of life and you'll discover he didn't live same way as Christians do.
I make specific reference to Surah 29:46 And (do) not argue (with the) People of the Book except by which [it] (is) best, except those who (do) wrong among them, and say, "We believe in that (which) has been revealed to us and was revealed to you. And our God and your God (is) One, and we to Him submit."
Regards
Doug
Yes true, we should argue with the best and this is what we're doing now.
One God means the universe is having only one Creator/ Almighty but it doesn't mean we beleive in El-Messiha as member of Trinity.
Regards