Did Mary have a savior?

[Markwsmith2020]

Yes the Bible says so,

Lk 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

Yes, Christ is her redemption too.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Yes the Bible says so,

Lk 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

Yes she did. But a savior can prevent someone from stepping in the mud, or he can pick one up who has already fallen in it.

 

[RaymondG]

Yes the Bible says so,

Lk 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

Isaiah 43:11
I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

 

[bbbbbbb]

The only individuals who have a savior are those who need to be saved. It is impossible for a savior to save a person who is not in need of saving. Thus, Jesus Christ came to seek and to save that which was lost (Luke 19:10). If Mary was not a sinner she would certainly not need a savior. However, because she, along with the rest of the descendants of Adam, was a sinful individual, she needed a savior, which God the Father provided in the person and work of His Son, Jesus Christ.

 

[Root of Jesse]

The only individuals who have a savior are those who need to be saved. It is impossible for a savior to save a person who is not in need of saving. Thus, Jesus Christ came to seek and to save that which was lost (Luke 19:10). If Mary was not a sinner she would certainly not need a savior. However, because she, along with the rest of the descendants of Adam, was a sinful individual, she needed a savior, which God the Father provided in the person and work of His Son, Jesus Christ.

There's no doubt that Mary needed to be saved. The question is, when was she saved? We believe she was saved before she was born.

 

[bbbbbbb]

There's no doubt that Mary needed to be saved. The question is, when was she saved? We believe she was saved before she was born.

The question is when does a person become a sinner? Is a person a sinner merely because they are conceived in sin? If so, then the fact does remain that Mary was a sinner in need of a savior and that she is not perpetually sinless.

 

[Hammster]

There's no doubt that Mary needed to be saved. The question is, when was she saved? We believe she was saved before she was born.

What is that based on?

 

[Root of Jesse]

The question is when does a person become a sinner? Is a person a sinner merely because they are conceived in sin? If so, then the fact does remain that Mary was a sinner in need of a savior and that she is not perpetually sinless.

Original sin is part of all humans, from the merging of egg and sperm, so we think it's then.
But the bigger question is, "Can you save someone from sin before they commit sin, or must they sin before you can save them?" We believe you can save someone from sin before they commit sin.

 

[W2L]

If mary did indeed need a savior as Catholicism teaches, why then is it necessary that she be sinless?

 

[Root of Jesse]

What is that based on?

Many things.
When discussing the Immaculate Conception, an implicit reference may be found in the angel’s greeting to Mary. The angel Gabriel said, "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you" (Luke 1:28). The phrase "full of grace" is a translation of the Greek word kecharitomene. It therefore expresses a characteristic quality of Mary.

The traditional translation, "full of grace," is better than the one found in many recent versions of the New Testament, which give something along the lines of "highly favored daughter." Mary was indeed a highly favored daughter of God, but the Greek implies more than that (and it never mentions the word for "daughter"). The grace given to Mary is at once permanent and of a unique kind. Kecharitomene is a perfect passive participle of charitoo, meaning "to fill or endow with grace." Since this term is in the perfect tense, it indicates that Mary was graced in the past but with continuing effects in the present. So, the grace Mary enjoyed was not a result of the angel’s visit. In fact, Catholics hold, it extended over the whole of her life, from conception onward. She was in a state of sanctifying grace from the first moment of her existence.

 

[Root of Jesse]

If mary did indeed need a savior as Catholicism teaches, why then is it necessary that she be sinless?

We believe that Mary is the new Ark of the Covenant. The Ark of the Covenant was pure when it was formed, and consecrated. Then, the Word of God, the Staff of Aaron, and the Bread of Life were placed in it, and sealed. It was so holy that to touch it was to die.

Mary also contained the Word of God, the Staff of Aaron (the symbol of the royal priesthood), and the Bread of Life when Jesus was conceived. We believe she had to be pure-God doesn't dwell with sinners. He dwelt in Mary. There are other indications, such as Jesus addressing his mother as "woman", which was Eve's title until she sinned.

 

[bbbbbbb]

The bottom line is, regardless of how one chooses to spin one's argument, a person cannot be saved unless they are a sinner. If Mary had a savior, as we all seem to agree on, then she was a sinner and, therefore, not perpetually sinless.

How and where she became a sinner may be open to argument. The bottom line, however, is that, regardless of her circumstances in relation to her sin, she was a sinner in need of a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.

 

[W2L]

We believe that Mary is the new Ark of the Covenant. The Ark of the Covenant was pure when it was formed, and consecrated. Then, the Word of God, the Staff of Aaron, and the Bread of Life were placed in it, and sealed. It was so holy that to touch it was to die.

Mary also contained the Word of God, the Staff of Aaron (the symbol of the royal priesthood), and the Bread of Life when Jesus was conceived. We believe she had to be pure-God doesn't dwell with sinners. He dwelt in Mary. There are other indications, such as Jesus addressing his mother as "woman", which was Eve's title until she sinned.

The bread of life is not too holy to be touched. The bread of life leads us to holiness.

 

[Hammster]

Many things.
When discussing the Immaculate Conception, an implicit reference may be found in the angel’s greeting to Mary. The angel Gabriel said, "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you" (Luke 1:28). The phrase "full of grace" is a translation of the Greek word kecharitomene. It therefore expresses a characteristic quality of Mary.

The traditional translation, "full of grace," is better than the one found in many recent versions of the New Testament, which give something along the lines of "highly favored daughter." Mary was indeed a highly favored daughter of God, but the Greek implies more than that (and it never mentions the word for "daughter"). The grace given to Mary is at once permanent and of a unique kind. Kecharitomene is a perfect passive participle of charitoo, meaning "to fill or endow with grace." Since this term is in the perfect tense, it indicates that Mary was graced in the past but with continuing effects in the present. So, the grace Mary enjoyed was not a result of the angel’s visit. In fact, Catholics hold, it extended over the whole of her life, from conception onward. She was in a state of sanctifying grace from the first moment of her existence.

So it’s really just speculation. There’s nothing firm to support it.

 

[Root of Jesse]

The bottom line is, regardless of how one chooses to spin one's argument, a person cannot be saved unless they are a sinner. If Mary had a savior, as we all seem to agree on, then she was a sinner and, therefore, not perpetually sinless.

Nothing says she was 'perpetually sinless'. She's sinless from the time of her conception. Only God is 'perpetually sinless'.

How and where she became a sinner may be open to argument. The bottom line, however, is that, regardless of her circumstances in relation to her sin, she was a sinner in need of a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.

 

[Root of Jesse]

The bread of life is not too holy to be touched. The bread of life leads us to holiness.

When it was placed in the Ark, it could never be touched again.

But so what?

 

[W2L]

When it was placed in the Ark, it could never be touched again.

But so what?

Do you have a scripture to support this assertion? If so please show me, thank you.

 

[Aldebaran]

We believe that Mary is the new Ark of the Covenant.

You keep using the word "we". Who are you referring to besides yourself?

 

[Root of Jesse]

Do you have a scripture to support this assertion? If so please show me, thank you.

When the priests crossed the Jordan at Jericho, one of the bearers stumbled, and another tried to steady the ark, touched it, and died. Thanks.