Did Jesus work on the Sabbath?

[k4c]

As usual, your commentary is abusing God's word to insult and condemn people because you can.

Did Jesus worked on the sabbath? yes.

Does Shabbath and Shavat mean the same thing? NO

You make it easy to descern error because your commentary only uses text to say whatever you like.

Oh well, I guess that's just the way it is.

 

[Cribstyl]

The topic of the thread is "did Jesus work on the sabbath?

In making your case in the OP #1 , you dove into misrepresenting what most other Churches claim and believe. Your condemning remarks are reprehensable but I overlook what appear to be venomous ignorance on your part just to try to defend some of these untruths.


We present "scriptures only" primarily from the teaching of Paul because we hold firmly that the blood of Jesus fulfills the Old and seal the New Covenant. We dont consider text that shows Jesus or others keeping the sabbath as valid because, we follow doctrines that are taught rather than doctrines that are reasoned.


The shameful truth is we dont present argument saying;"Jesus worked on the sabbath so we should not keep it."
You're the ones who present the argument that "Jesus kept the sabbath so we should too."

We present the scriptures; that conveys the knowlege, whatever a man estemes as Holy is Holy unto him regardless of what another man say. Rom 14:14, Rom 14:22

I did come to this thread to condemn you of anything. I came to sort out some questionable comments that scripture does not say nor support as truth.

Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

 

[k4c]

The topic of the thread is "did Jesus work on the sabbath?

In making your case in the OP #1 , you dove into misrepresenting what most other Churches claim and believe. Your condemning remarks are reprehensable but I overlook what appear to be venomous ignorance on your part just to try to defend some of these untruths.

We present "scriptures only" primarily from the teaching of Paul because we hold firmly that the blood of Jesus fulfills the Old and seal the New Covenant. We dont consider text that shows Jesus or others keeping the sabbath as valid because, we follow doctrines that are taught rather than doctrines that are reasoned.

The shameful truth is we dont present argument saying;"Jesus worked on the sabbath so we should not keep it."
You're the ones who present the argument that "Jesus kept the sabbath so we should too."

We present the scriptures; that conveys the knowlege, whatever a man estemes as Holy is Holy unto him regardless of what another man say. Rom 14:14, Rom 14:22

I did come to this thread to condemn you of anything. I came to sort out some questionable comments that scripture does not say nor support as truth.

Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

In your attempt to do away with the Sabbath you say Jesus worked on the Sabbath so that means the Sabbath is no longer a blessed and holy day that God's people should remember. What Jesus did on the Sabbath was not a violation under the New Covenant nor was it a vioation under the Old Covenant, as Jesus so plainly pointed out, and you know the Sabbath was very much alive under the Old Covenant.

In the life and teachings of Jesus, which is what Christians live by, He put the Sabbath in it's right perspective as it relates to work. The Sabbath was meant to be a blessed and holy day but it was not meant to oppress the necessary needs of God's living creatures (pulling an anmal out of a pit on the Sabbath, healing or getting food to eat on the Sabbath) nor was it to prevent God's people from serving God on His day. These are the issues Jesus touched on when He taught principles of Sabbath keeping. He never once did away with the Sabbath nor did He change the day.

Jesus was a carpenter by trade. You never hear Him say, "Can't teach this Sabbath because I have to fininsh the addition I started last week on Joe's house". What you do find with Jesus, as well as with all His followers, is He went to the synagogue every Sabbath to fellowship and to teach.

I noticed you quoted Romans. These verses in Romans are not referring to God's day, but rather, days that MAN esteems just like the verse says. For example, Ash Wednesday, Easter, Christmas and so on. I call these verses in Romans the conscience verses because they speak of things that have to do with man made religious works such as eating or not eating meat, esteeming days that God did not command and so on. When something is not commandmend by God we must be fully persuaded in our own mind that it's something that really needs to be done to please God.

You know, I use to be where you are now until God opened my eyes. There is only one who wanted to change God's Law and time and it's not God.

 

[Cribstyl]

In your attempt to do away with the Sabbath you say Jesus worked on the Sabbath so that means the Sabbath is no longer a blessed and holy day that God's people should remember. What Jesus did on the Sabbath was not a violation under the New Covenant nor was it a vioation under the Old Covenant, as Jesus so plainly pointed out, and you know the Sabbath was very much alive under the Old Covenant.

Again. you're misrepresnting the facts. All you have to do is repost where I said what you're claiming I said. In this post#42 I just posted text saying "if you want to Honor sabbath or all 7days of the week that's between you and God.
I also posted text saying, "whatever a man regard as Holy is Holy unto him."
WE BELIEVE IN FREEDOM TO WORSHIP GOD.

You're the one saying how people must worship not me.

About these text??? They're often hijacked
Jesus explained that the priest could profane the sabbath and is blameless.
Jesus then claimed to be greater than the temple.
Then Jesus explained that they're trying to condemn Him for doing good. (verse 7)
Then Jesus said He was Lord of the sabbath.
Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Mat 12:6But I say unto you, That in this place is [one] greater than the temple

Mat 12:8For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.


The context show that Jesus quoted His authority over the sabbath as why He is also blameless and more than a priest.

You want me to say that God needed to keep the sabbath to prove what?

 

[k4c]

Again. you're misrepresnting the facts. All you have to do is repost where I said what you're claiming I said. In this post#42 I just posted text saying "if you want to Honor sabbath or all 7days of the week that's between you and God.
I also posted text saying, "whatever a man regard as Holy is Holy unto him."
WE BELIEVE IN FREEDOM TO WORSHIP GOD.

You're the one saying how people must worship not me.

About these text??? They're often hijacked
Jesus explained that the priest could profane the sabbath and is blameless.
Jesus then claimed to be greater than the temple.
Then Jesus explained that they're trying to condemn Him for doing good. (verse 7)
Then Jesus said He was Lord of the sabbath.
Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Mat 12:6But I say unto you, That in this place is [one] greater than the temple

Mat 12:8For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.


The context show that Jesus quoted His authority over the sabbath as why He is also blameless and more than a priest.

You want me to say that God needed to keep the sabbath to prove what?

My post is accurate. Your overall replies speak against keeping the Ten Commandments especially the 4th commandment.

You can esteem any day, that God has not, if you want but you can't tell God you can worship Him as you want. Worship involves obedience to God. If you willfully break anyone of the Ten Commandments, as a life style, your worship will be worthless to God. I don't care if you heal the sick, cast out demons or go to church seven days a week your worship will be worthless because you practice lawlessness.

You say Jesus' statement was to prove He is above the Sabbath so that means He was doing away with the Sabbath. You even attempt to say that Jesus referred to the priest so that He could show He is above the priest to show He has the authority to do away with the Sabbath but you are taking things out of context. The issue was what could be done on the Sabbath, not that the Sabbath is done away with. Serving God and healing people is not a violation of the Sabbath. David ate the show bread, which was agaisnt the law but he was blameless because he ate the bread because he was hungry.

If you refuse to obey the 4th commandment that's your choice but keep in mind, the Ten Commandments are like a chain with ten links, if you break one, you've broke them all.

I don't think there is any need for us to continue on this topic because unless God shows you the truth there is not much I can say.

 

[Cribstyl]

Mat(9)Mar(10)Luk(17)Jhn(9)Act(9)Col(1)

Above are text where the word "sabbath" is mentioned in the New Testament.

Show us where sabbathkeeping is taught to Christians whenever you have a valid statement from Jesus or the apostles, whom were sent to teach us how to worship God.

Lets first look at the 9 times from Matthews gospel that sabbath is mentioned.

The first 4 of 9 are in this context. (notice my commentary is context related rather than showing that this is not a lesson on how to keep the sabbath or not)

Mat 12:1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat
Mat 12:2But when the Pharisees saw [it], they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
Mat 12:5Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Mat 12:8For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

These text are all related to the same incident above.

My comments are on the content of the texts, so you can believe the scripture and discard my comment.

verse1 above) Plucking corn on the sabbath violates the sabbath commandment. True of false?

verse 2 (above) The Pharisees accuses Jesus of what is unlawful on the sabbath.
True or False?

verse 3 Jesus replies, have you not read the OT when David was in a similar situation with his men? T or F

verse 4 Jesus said David did what was not lawful to do, T or F

verse 5 (above)Jesus said; have you not read; On the Sabbath the preist profane the sabbath and are blameless. T or F

verse 6 Jesus cites authority over the temple (implies authority over all ceromonies conducted therein. T or F
verse 7 tells the Pharisees, if they had known what "I will have mercy and not sacrifice" meant they would have understood not to condemn Him because......(Jesus executed the right judgment on the Sabbath.)
verse 8 ...because I'm the Lord of the Sabbath.
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2nd time Sabbath is a discussion in Matthew

Mat 12:10And, behold, there was a man which had [his] hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
Mat 12:11And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift [it] out?
Mat 12:12How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

This incident comes up because Jesus was healing on the Sabbath day.
Jesus teaches that it's more important to save life and perform healings than not to do anything at all on the Sabbath.
So, it appear that doing good works are a better way to spend sabbath.

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3rd time sabbath is an issue in Matthews gospel;
Mat 24:20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Scholars say that Israel was gated every Sabbath from the restoration by Nehemiah, and this prophesy has been fulfilled.





4th time sabbath is an issue in Matthew's gospel;
Mat 28:1In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
This text show that the people kept the Sabbath on the weekend of His death. I'll reserve commentary on this weekend for now.


A big question is where does anyone teach about sabbathkeeping in Matthews gospel?

 

[k4c]

Cribstyl;Mat(9)Mar(10)Luk(17)Jhn(9)Act(9)Col(1)

Above are text where the word "sabbath" is mentioned in the New Testament.

Show us where sabbathkeeping is taught to Christians whenever you have a valid statement from Jesus or the apostles, whom were sent to teach us how to worship God.

You are making the same misake many people make. You have come to the conclusion that since Jesus corrected the misconceptions, regarding Sabbath keeping, you believe He was doing away with the Sabbath. Your conclusion comes because of the beast influence and not because of God.

Lets first look at the 9 times from Matthews gospel that sabbath is mentioned.

The first 4 of 9 are in this context. (notice my commentary is context related rather than showing that this is not a lesson on how to keep the sabbath or not)

Mat 12:1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat
Mat 12:2But when the Pharisees saw [it], they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
Mat 12:5Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Mat 12:8For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

These text are all related to the same incident above.

My comments are on the content of the texts, so you can believe the scripture and discard my comment.

verse1 above) Plucking corn on the sabbath violates the sabbath commandment. True of false?

False!

verse 2 (above) The Pharisees accuses Jesus of what is unlawful on the sabbath.
True or False?

False!

Just because the religious Jews said something was sin does not mean it's sin.

Tell me, is this sin or not?

Matthew 15:2 "Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.''

Just because the religious Jews say eating with unwashed hands is breaking a law does not mean it's a sin in God's eyes.

Jesus goes on to say that we can break the Law of God by our traditions.

Matthew 15:3-9 But He answered and said to them, "Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? "For God commanded, saying, `Honor your father and your mother'; and, `He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.' "But you say, `Whoever says to his father or mother, "Whatever profit you might have received from me has been dedicated to the temple'' `is released from honoring his father or mother.' "Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. "Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying: 'These people draw near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'

We can violate the Sabbath if we see an animal stuck in a pit and we don't rescue it because it's the Sabbath.

verse 3 Jesus replies, have you not read the OT when David was in a similar situation with his men? T or F

verse 4 Jesus said David did what was not lawful to do, T or F

verse 5 (above)Jesus said; have you not read; On the Sabbath the preist profane the sabbath and are blameless. T or F

You are coming to the wrong conclusion through Jesus' teachings. Jesus was teaching a principle that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. If people are hungry, hurting, blind, sick or if your animal has fallen into a pit it is not a sin to rescue the animal nor is it sin to heal people or serve in God's house on the Sabbath.

verse 6 Jesus cites authority over the temple (implies authority over all ceromonies conducted therein. T or F
verse 7 tells the Pharisees, if they had known what "I will have mercy and not sacrifice" meant they would have understood not to condemn Him because......(Jesus executed the right judgment on the Sabbath.)
verse 8 ...because I'm the Lord of the Sabbath.

"I will have mercy and not sacrifice" Are very important words because they reveal the true meaning of Jesus' lessons regarding keeping the Sabbath. Many religious people, even today, get wrapped up in 'form over substance'. In other words, the Sabbath is a blessed and holy day in it's form but the substance of the Sabbath is love for God. Love for God will override ritualistic keeping of the Sabbath. In other words, if someone is hungry, hurt, sick, blind or if an animal is stuck in a pit on the Sabbath it's not a sin to show mercy by helping them. The substance of the Sabbath will show mercy by healing, feeding or rescuing an animal but under the form we will let people stay hurt, sick, blind and neither will we help the poor animal stuck in the pit because it's the Sabbath.

2nd time Sabbath is a discussion in Matthew

Mat 12:10And, behold, there was a man which had [his] hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
Mat 12:11And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift [it] out?
Mat 12:12How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

This incident comes up because Jesus was healing on the Sabbath day.
Jesus teaches that it's more important to save life and perform healings than not to do anything at all on the Sabbath.
So, it appear that doing good works are a better way to spend sabbath.

Acceptable good works are lawfull to do on the Sabbath but that does not mean the Sabbath is just another day. The Sabbath is a sanctified day set apart for God but we are not to overlook mercy. Jesus was a carpenter by trade but you don't see Him finishing Bob's deck on Sabbath morning so that He can start on Jim's addition Sabbath afternoon. What we do see Him doing is teaching in the synagogue every Sabbath. We find Paul, who was a tent maker, also teaching in the synagogue every Sabbath and this was long after Jesus' death. We even find the followers of Jesus keeping the Sabbath after Jesus' death.

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

3rd time sabbath is an issue in Matthews gospel;
Mat 24:20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Scholars say that Israel was gated every Sabbath from the restoration by Nehemiah, and this prophesy has been fulfilled.

Whatever your interpretation is regarding why they had to pray that they would not have to flee on the Sabbath is not the issue. The issue is that Jesus was still calling the Sabbath, the Sabbath.

4th time sabbath is an issue in Matthew's gospel;
Mat 28:1In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
This text show that the people kept the Sabbath on the weekend of His death. I'll reserve commentary on this weekend for now.

The disciples of Jesus wouldn't even prepare Jesus' body for burial because it was the Sabbath but after the Sabbath passed they went to the tomb. After the Sabbath had passed? What Sabbath might that be? Was it Sunday? I think not.

A big question is where does anyone teach about sabbathkeeping in Matthews gospel?

Let me tell you a story about my son. When he first got his driver's license I told him to drive carefully and watch out for school buses and cross walks. In my advise to him do you hear me tell him not to speed? No. Does that mean he can speed or does that mean the speed limit signs mean nothing?

Everyone in Jesus' day knew about the Sabbath and which day it was. The problem was not with the Sabbath or which day it was, but rather, what could be done on the Sabbath. Just because Jesus didn't say, "Thou shall remember to keep the Sabbath holy" doesn't mean He didn't teach us how to keep the Sabbath holy. Just because I didn't tell my son not to speed does not mean he can speed. My son knows the speed limit signs are there and what they mean.

 

[Cribstyl]

You are making the same misake many people make. You have come to the conclusion that since Jesus corrected the misconceptions, regarding Sabbath keeping, you believe He was doing away with the Sabbath. Your conclusion comes because of the beast influence and not because of God.

I came to no such conclussion......When did I say anything about the Sabbath being done away with? You're tripping.... OH I get it... You're sweating bullets because there is no texts that teaches clearly that Christian are to keep the sabbath. In any case your accusations are flagrantly out of line.
Whether if Jesus was teaching the propper use of the sabbath or not, Sabbathkeeping was the law, so I dont see why you're bent out of shape.
Jesus was faced with accusation of violating a commandment rather than giving a lesson about sabbath to attentive disciples. His response was to point out to His authority. In the same light I can agree that the Pharisee were micromanaging the law.

False!

Keep in mind that the infamous 4th commandments evolved from simply not picking up manna on the seventh day. Should we also second guess that God was being too severve


Also Remember that death resulted from a man who was picking up sticks. My understanding of sabbath violation come from understanding how Jews still keep the sabbath.

False!

Just because the religious Jews said something was sin does not mean it's sin.

Tell me, is this sin or not?

Matthew 15:2 "Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.''

Just because the religious Jews say eating with unwashed hands is breaking a law does not mean it's a sin in God's eyes.

Jesus goes on to say that we can break the Law of God by our traditions.

Matthew 15:3-9 But He answered and said to them, "Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? "For God commanded, saying, `Honor your father and your mother'; and, `He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.' "But you say, `Whoever says to his father or mother, "Whatever profit you might have received from me has been dedicated to the temple'' `is released from honoring his father or mother.' "Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. "Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying: 'These people draw near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'

We can violate the Sabbath if we see an animal stuck in a pit and we don't rescue it because it's the Sabbath.



You are coming to the wrong conclusion through Jesus' teachings. Jesus was teaching a principle that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. If people are hungry, hurting, blind, sick or if your animal has fallen into a pit it is not a sin to rescue the animal nor is it sin to heal people or serve in God's house on the Sabbath.



"I will have mercy and not sacrifice" Are very important words because they reveal the true meaning of Jesus' lessons regarding keeping the Sabbath. Many religious people, even today, get wrapped up in 'form over substance'. In other words, the Sabbath is a blessed and holy day in it's form but the substance of the Sabbath is love for God. Love for God will override ritualistic keeping of the Sabbath. In other words, if someone is hungry, hurt, sick, blind or if an animal is stuck in a pit on the Sabbath it's not a sin to show mercy by helping them. The substance of the Sabbath will show mercy by healing, feeding or rescuing an animal but under the form we will let people stay hurt, sick, blind and neither will we help the poor animal stuck in the pit because it's the Sabbath.



Acceptable good works are lawfull to do on the Sabbath but that does not mean the Sabbath is just another day. The Sabbath is a sanctified day set apart for God but we are not to overlook mercy. Jesus was a carpenter by trade but you don't see Him finishing Bob's deck on Sabbath morning so that He can start on Jim's addition Sabbath afternoon. What we do see Him doing is teaching in the synagogue every Sabbath. We find Paul, who was a tent maker, also teaching in the synagogue every Sabbath and this was long after Jesus' death. We even find the followers of Jesus keeping the Sabbath after Jesus' death.

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.



Whatever your interpretation is regarding why they had to pray that they would not have to flee on the Sabbath is not the issue. The issue is that Jesus was still calling the Sabbath, the Sabbath.



The disciples of Jesus wouldn't even prepare Jesus' body for burial because it was the Sabbath but after the Sabbath passed they went to the tomb. After the Sabbath had passed? What Sabbath might that be? Was it Sunday? I think not.



Let me tell you a story about my son. When he first got his driver's license I told him to drive carefully and watch out for school buses and cross walks. In my advise to him do you hear me tell him not to speed? No. Does that mean he can speed or does that mean the speed limit signs mean nothing?

Everyone in Jesus' day knew about the Sabbath and which day it was. The problem was not with the Sabbath or which day it was, but rather, what could be done on the Sabbath. Just because Jesus didn't say, "Thou shall remember to keep the Sabbath holy" doesn't mean He didn't teach us how to keep the Sabbath holy. Just because I didn't tell my son not to speed does not mean he can speed. My son knows the speed limit signs are there and what they mean.

With all that said .........it should be clear that we're both entittled to our opinion, no matter what you're smoking.
But it really gets mucky when we misqoute each other.

 

[k4c]

Cribstyl; I came to no such conclussion......When did I say anything about the Sabbath being done away with? You're tripping.... OH I get it... You're sweating bullets because there is no texts that teaches clearly that Christian are to keep the sabbath. In any case your accusations are flagrantly out of line.

The word, Christian, is not a biblical name. But either way a Christian should be a follower of Christ, which means He is our example. But technically speaking there is no such thing as a Christian in the Bible. That name was probably just another attempt by the beast to justify doing away with God's Law as though there are some people who should obey God's Law and some who don't need to obey God's Law. This is a belief found outside of Scripture. The New Covenant, which you so clearly say you are under, is made to the house of Israel, not Christians.

Hebrews 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "Behold, the days are coming,'' says the Lord, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.

You, being a Christian, but more accurately, a Gentile, are not part of the New Covenant.

Ephesians 2:11-13 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been made near by the blood of Christ.

You, as today's modern day Christian, are without God and without hope in the world unless you can be grafted in through Jesus Christ. This grafting does not bring you futher away from God and His Law, but rather, He is able to write it on your heart.

Romans 11:13-23 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. But if you boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.'' Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

If you will allow God to graft you in then He will write His Law on your heart and mind then you won't be fighting against God and His people who are those who keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus.

Hebrews 8:10-11 "For this is the new covenant that I will make with the house of Israel: After those days,'' says the Lord, "I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. "None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, `Know the Lord,' for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.

Whether if Jesus was teaching the propper use of the sabbath or not, Sabbathkeeping was the law, so I dont see why you're bent out of shape.
Jesus was faced with accusation of violating a commandment rather than giving a lesson about sabbath to attentive disciples. His response was to point out to His authority. In the same light I can agree that the Pharisee were micromanaging the law.

Again you are coming to a conclusion based on what the beast has led most on mainline churches to believe today.

Keep in mind that the infamous 4th commandments evolved from simply not picking up manna on the seventh day. Should we also second guess that God was being too severve

Also Remember that death resulted from a man who was picking up sticks. My understanding of sabbath violation come from understanding how Jews still keep the sabbath.

Anytime you do menial work on the Sabbath, as though the Sabbath means nothing or it's just another day, it's profaning the sacredness of the Sabbath. But not all work profanes the Sabbath. This was an Old Testament principle, as well as, a New Testament principle as Jesus so plainly taught us.

For example, in 2 Kings we have the priest of God Jehoiada working together to protect the king's son. This was not menial work, but rather, it was necessary in order to protect the life of the king's son. This was not a violation of the Sabbath.

2 Kings 11:4-10 In the seventh year Jehoiada sent and brought the captains of hundreds, of the bodyguards and the escorts, and brought them into the house of the Lord to him. And he made a covenant with them and took an oath from them in the house of the Lord, and showed them the king's son. Then he commanded them, saying, "This is what you shall do: One-third of you who come on duty on the Sabbath shall be keeping watch over the king's house, "one-third shall be at the gate of Sur, and one-third at the gate behind the escorts. You shall keep the watch of the house, lest it be broken down. "The two contingents of you who go off duty on the Sabbath shall keep the watch of the house of the Lord for the king. "But you shall surround the king on all sides, every man with his weapons in his hand; and whoever comes within range, let him be put to death. You are to be with the king as he goes out and as he comes in.'' So the captains of the hundreds did according to all that Jehoiada the priest commanded. Each of them took his men who were to be on duty on the Sabbath, with those who were going off duty on the Sabbath, and came to Jehoiada the priest. And the priest gave the captains of hundreds the spears and shields which had belonged to King David, that were in the temple of the Lord.

With all that said .........it should be clear that we're both entittled to our opinion, no matter what you're smoking.
But it really gets mucky when we misqoute each other.

Can you answer this for me?

Do you believe I can, as a life style, commit adultery, lie, steal, murder, worship other gods, use God's name in vain and still be okay with God?

 

[Cribstyl]

The word, Christian, is not a biblical name. But either way a Christian should be a follower of Christ, which means He is our example. But technically speaking there is no such thing as a Christian in the Bible. That name was probably just another attempt by the beast to justify doing away with God's Law as though there are some people who should obey God's Law and some who don't need to obey God's Law. This is a belief found outside of Scripture. The New Covenant, which you so clearly say you are under, is made to the house of Israel, not Christians.

Hebrews 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "Behold, the days are coming,'' says the Lord, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.

You, being a Christian, but more accurately, a Gentile, are not part of the New Covenant.

Ephesians 2:11-13 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been made near by the blood of Christ.

You, as today's modern day Christian, are without God and without hope in the world unless you can be grafted in through Jesus Christ. This grafting does not bring you futher away from God and His Law, but rather, He is able to write it on your heart.

Romans 11:13-23 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. But if you boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.'' Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

If you will allow God to graft you in then He will write His Law on your heart and mind then you won't be fighting against God and His people who are those who keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus.

Hebrews 8:10-11 "For this is the new covenant that I will make with the house of Israel: After those days,'' says the Lord, "I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. "None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, `Know the Lord,' for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.



Again you are coming to a conclusion based on what the beast has led most on mainline churches to believe today.



Anytime you do menial work on the Sabbath, as though the Sabbath means nothing or it's just another day, it's profaning the sacredness of the Sabbath. But not all work profanes the Sabbath. This was an Old Testament principle, as well as, a New Testament principle as Jesus so plainly taught us.

For example, in 2 Kings we have the priest of God Jehoiada working together to protect the king's son. This was not menial work, but rather, it was necessary in order to protect the life of the king's son. This was not a violation of the Sabbath.

2 Kings 11:4-10 In the seventh year Jehoiada sent and brought the captains of hundreds, of the bodyguards and the escorts, and brought them into the house of the Lord to him. And he made a covenant with them and took an oath from them in the house of the Lord, and showed them the king's son. Then he commanded them, saying, "This is what you shall do: One-third of you who come on duty on the Sabbath shall be keeping watch over the king's house, "one-third shall be at the gate of Sur, and one-third at the gate behind the escorts. You shall keep the watch of the house, lest it be broken down. "The two contingents of you who go off duty on the Sabbath shall keep the watch of the house of the Lord for the king. "But you shall surround the king on all sides, every man with his weapons in his hand; and whoever comes within range, let him be put to death. You are to be with the king as he goes out and as he comes in.'' So the captains of the hundreds did according to all that Jehoiada the priest commanded. Each of them took his men who were to be on duty on the Sabbath, with those who were going off duty on the Sabbath, and came to Jehoiada the priest. And the priest gave the captains of hundreds the spears and shields which had belonged to King David, that were in the temple of the Lord.




Can you answer this for me?

Do you believe I can, as a life style, commit adultery, lie, steal, murder, worship other gods, use God's name in vain and still be okay with God?

Who do you think you are? Those comments are not supported by those text.
This is should be at least a two way communication.
I am commenting on scripture while you're accusing, condemning and giving lesson as if you're the author of scriptures.

 

[k4c]

Who do you think you are? Those comments are not supported by those text.
This is should be at least a two way communication.
I am commenting on scripture while you're accusing, condemning and giving lesson as if you're the author of scriptures.

Jesus taught me and you how to keep the Sabbath holy in light of these issues that arise on the Sabbath. He never once did away with the Sabbath, changed the Sabbath day or said the Sabbath was not longer a sacred day so you have two choices. 1. keep the Sabbath holy as commanded by God and magnified by Jesus or 2. not keep it holy and give an account to God.

So I ask you today, who will you serve?

Oh yeah, what about this?

k4c: Can you answer this for me?

Do you believe I can, as a life style, commit adultery, lie, steal, murder, worship other gods, use God's name in vain and still be okay with God?

 

[k4c]

Jesus taught me and you how to keep the Sabbath holy in light of these issues that arise on the Sabbath. He never once did away with the Sabbath, changed the Sabbath day or said the Sabbath was not longer a sacred day so you have two choices. 1. keep the Sabbath holy as commanded by God and magnified by Jesus or 2. not keep it holy and give an account to God.

So I ask you today, who will you serve?

Oh yeah, what about this?

Sometimes silence speaks louder than words.

 

[Cribstyl]

Sometimes silence speaks louder than words.

Sometimes it means let's agree to disagree without parting insults.

 

[k4c]

Sometimes it means let's agree to disagree without parting insults.

But I would like people to see where your belief system leads them. So could you answer this question?

Do you believe I can, as a life style, commit adultery, lie, steal, murder, worship other gods, use God's name in vain and still be okay with God?

 

[Cribstyl]

But I would like people to see where your belief system leads them. So could you answer this question?

Do you believe I can, as a life style, commit adultery, lie, steal, murder, worship other gods, use God's name in vain and still be okay with God?

If I read you from expirience, You're raising this argument to say I'm teaching it's Ok to do those things. These are your words, and I'm staying clear of your set-up scenario.

You want to make the argument that; the law defines all sin, and if there is no law, then murder, adultery, stealing etc is condoned.
YOU'RE WRONG, we dont teach that message at all. We call people to Holiness and righteous living according to the scriptures. We call people to love, which is a higher standard than the handwriting of the law dictates.
Scripture in Rom 5 proves that sin was in the world before the law, but the penalty of sin was still death.

The manner in which you erect this false doctrine is not by the word of God. So you have to falsely mischaracterize what others believe to establish the law.

 

[k4c]

If I read you from expirience, You're raising this argument to say I'm teaching it's Ok to do those things. These are your words, and I'm staying clear of your set-up scenario.

You want to make the argument that; the law defines all sin, and if there is no law, then murder, adultery, stealing etc is condoned.
YOU'RE WRONG, we dont teach that message at all. We call people to Holiness and righteous living according to the scriptures. We call people to love, which is a higher standard than the handwriting of the law dictates.
Scripture in Rom 5 proves that sin was in the world before the law, but the penalty of sin was still death.

The manner in which you erect this false doctrine is not by the word of God. So you have to falsely mischaracterize what others believe to establish the law.

I know you have a hard time answering pointed questions based on your theological mindset but we really need to get through this.

Do you think it's okay to worship other gods, use God's name in vain, worship idols and forget God's holy day if you say you love Him?

Do you think it's okay to lie, steal, murder, rape, dishonor your parents and lust after your neighbor's wife if you say you love them?

 

[k4c]

I know you have a hard time answering pointed questions based on your theological mindset but we really need to get through this.

Do you think it's okay to worship other gods, use God's name in vain, worship idols and forget God's holy day if you say you love Him?

Do you think it's okay to lie, steal, murder, rape, dishonor your parents and lust after your neighbor's wife if you say you love them?

This is where their belief system breaks down. They put up a good fight but when the wind blows and the rain comes they find that they have a house built on sand.

Revelation 14:12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

 

[Cribstyl]

Actually, you bore me with these unscriptual ways of preaching your gospel.
You're responses to these posts proves you avoided what does not fit your commentary.

So maybe you're the one running from a faulty theology.


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I may respond to your continuing dialog even though you're way off topic in this thread.

 

[k4c]

Actually, you bore me with these unscriptual ways of preaching your gospel.
You're responses to these posts proves you avoided what does not fit your commentary.

So maybe you're the one running from a faulty theology.


#33

#23

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I may respond to your continuing dialog even though you're way off topic in this thread.

I'm sorry but I hate repeating myself over and over again so you will have to search through all my replies and you will find the answer to your question.

Now, once again, could you answer my questions?

Do you think it's okay to worship other gods, use God's name in vain, worship idols and forget God's holy day if you say you love Him?

Do you think it's okay to lie, steal, murder, rape, dishonor your parents and lust after your neighbor's wife if you say you love them?

 

[Cribstyl]

I'm sorry but I hate repeating myself over and over again so you will have to search through all my replies and you will find the answer to your question.

Now, once again, could you answer my questions?

Do you think it's okay to worship other gods, use God's name in vain, worship idols and forget God's holy day if you say you love Him?

Do you think it's okay to lie, steal, murder, rape, dishonor your parents and lust after your neighbor's wife if you say you love them?

That's why I provided the links for you to realized your responses are always more commentary and no followup to responses.
Since I have answered this same scam in the past, you'll have to search through all my replies.