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The issue is not whether God rested every week after creation but the clear commandment that WE should rest as a memorial to the work He has done for US. The bible is replete with instruction from God for HIS PEOPLE (hopefully you are one) to continue to honor the day He created FOR US. Both blessing and curses are attached to how HIS PEOPLE treat the Sabbath. Furthermore, to say that to say that it was NOT given at creation is incorrect and unscriptural.[/quote]
Please post the scriptures with commentary where the context proves the wording of Gen 2:1-3 is considered by a prophet or apostle. This text
It's always best to read not only the "context" but the final POINT that was being made in that context:
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
His children now are no different than his children back then. Could it be that there was a reason He wrote REMEMBER the Sabbath... because he foreknew that we would FORGET; Just as we (God's people at the time) did before?
You missed it...... There is clear distintion that God's rest from creation was not given until God offered it to the Jew's who did not enter because of unbelief. Sorry this is not talking about the Sabbath day of rest given as a sign, but rather a spiritual rest.sdadoug said:It's always best to read not only the "context" but the final POINT that was being made in that context:
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
His children now are no different than his children back then. Could it be that there was a reason He wrote REMEMBER the Sabbath... because he foreknew that we would FORGET; Just as we (God's people at the time) did before?
That's commentary gone wild. (Why do I dare make such a sensitive remark? I have taken the time to ask various Rabbis about the Sabbath among other issues.)sdadoug said:Could it be that there was a reason He wrote REMEMBER the Sabbath... because he foreknew that we would FORGET; Just as we (God's people at the time) did before?
You missed it...... There is clear distintion that God's rest from creation was not given until God offered it to the Jew's who did not enter because of unbelief. Sorry this is not talking about the Sabbath day of rest given as a sign, but rather a spiritual rest.
This qoute from the Psalms make it clear that those people in question were the Children of Israel, not Adam.
Heb 4 says there remains a rest and the people of God, (not weekly sabbathkeeping) The place is in heaven with God when our works on earth is finished...... unless you dont believe it.
Somebody please pass this guy a mirror.How can you make such an assumption without clear biblical basis?
I'm not the one try to convince you of things that are not written. I am always trying to explain scpritures I can present, without added commentary out of context.Sorry, but your circular reasoning is just not convincing enough for me. I'll trust Moses, all the prophets, Jesus, and the Apostles and the 1st 300 years of Christians. rather than you on this one.
Gee, if you believe we must keep the Sabbath commands we will need a LOT of body bags.People who try to refute the Sabbath, in order to justify their disobedience, will say things like, "We no longer have to remember the Sabbath because Jesus worked on the Sabbath thus making the Sabbath unemportant for Christians under the New Covenant". If this were true that would make Jesus a transgressor of the Law and thus would make Him a sinner.
1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
But those who love God and have His Spirit dwelling in them know this is so far from the truth.
So how do Sabbath refuters justify saying Jesus violated the Sabbath by working on the Sabbath?
They use verses such as Matthew 12:1-5.
Matthew 12:1-5 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, "Look, Your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!''
Here we have Jesus being accused of a Sabbath violation because they were picking grain on the Sabbath. This was considered work by the religious men of Jesus' time. But listen to how Jesus responds to their accusations.
Then Jesus said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: "how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? "Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?
Jesus' response teaches us two very important Sabbath keeping principles.
1. Anything that is done on the Sabbath that relates to taking care of a necessary need (hunger, healing, saving an animal and so on) is not a violation of the Sabbath and is not considered normal, unecessary or just everyday work.
2. Anything done on the Sabbath that relates to service to God is not a violation of the Sabbath (pot luck clean up, serving and so on).
We can also understand from the words of Jesus that these principles were not new to the New Covenant only but were also Old Covenant principles as well. The religious Jews should have known this if they were not so self-righteous and proud.
Gee, if you believe we must keep the Sabbath commands we will need a LOT of body bags.
Exodus 31:15 (NKJV)
15 Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
So which covenant are you under? The Law of Moses:If it weren't for the grace of God under the new covenant we sure would need a lot of body bags. But the grace of God does not give us the right to continue in sin.
Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not!
God's grace is seen in the fact that we are not stoned to death when we violate the Sabbath, commit adultery, lie, steal or use God's name in vain. But this does not mean we can forget the Sabbath, commit adultery, lie, steal and use God's name in vain.
The grace of God, in that He is being merciful to us, teaches us to deny ungodliness so that we can live righteously and godly in this evil age, it doesn't give us the right to continue in sin.
Titus 2:11-12 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age.
Colossians 2:16 (NKJV)
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
Ok God, I won't.
Exodus 31:15 (NKJV)Forgetting to keep the seventh day holy is a sin.
Exodus 31:15 (NKJV)
15 Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
The word Sabbath means to rest or cease. It's a way to acknowledge something special about a day but it's not what makes the day special, the day is special so God calls it a sabbath.
Your commentary is false, and thereby confusing the facts.Yes, under the Old Covenant death was required for violating God's Law but under the New Covevant we are under grace. Grace is seen in that God is not giving us what we deserve for breaking His Law ie: death. God has poured out His grace for the purpose of drawing us to Him because of love, rather than, fear. But His grace does not give us the right to now break His Law.
Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not!
NO IT DOES NOT!!!!!!! (and that word does not appear in Genesis for anyone to claim institution of the sabbath, other than by commentary.)
shabbath
Pronunciation
shab·bäth' (Key)
Part of Speech
masculine/feminine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
Intensive from שָׁבַת (H7673)
TWOT Reference
2323b
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) Sabbath
a) sabbath
b) day of atonement
c) sabbath year
d) week
e) produce (in sabbath year)
Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 108
AV — sabbath 107, another 1
Here is the word you're defining (below) K4c ..........
shabath
Pronunciation
shä·vath' (Key)
Part of Speech
verb
Root Word (Etymology)
A primitive root
TWOT Reference
323, 2323c
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) to cease, desist, rest
a) (Qal)
1) to cease
2) to rest, desist (from labour)
b) (Niphal) to cease
c) (Hiphil)
1) to cause to cease, put an end to
2) to exterminate, destroy
3) to cause to desist from
4) to remove
5) to cause to fail
2) (Qal) to keep or observe the sabbath
Look at the pronounciation and also notice that one is a verb and one is a noun.
The fact that both words are used together at times help to further prove the distinction. Exd(3)Lev(4)Deu(1)
The Fourth of July is a day we celebrate because we gained our independence on that day. Because it's a holiday I get the day off from work with pay. Now let me ask you a question. Is the Fourth of July special because I get the day off from work or is it special because it's the day we gained our independence?
In the Bible there are many different days that are called sabbaths. Each one of these days represent different things. Every sabbath, outside of the seventh day of creation, came as a result of sin and was fullfilled at the cross but not so with the seventh day Sabbath. The seventh day is a special day because God blessed it, sanctified and called it holy at creation. God even protected the seventh day by Law, in the same way, He protected the authority of our mother and father, sexual intimacy, life, personal posessions and so on. These things are sacred to God and should be sacred to God's people.
It's not fair that I respond directly to your statements while you're always leading the threads with unrecognizable babble.
Why should I continue to respond, when you fail to clarify or followup up on my objections?
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Good luck with trying to condemn people who worship God different that you do.Most of your objections make no sense and are foundationless. They are just obections for the sake of objecting and can't be supported by Scripture. So forgive me if I don't follow your man-made reasoning to disobey God.
Good luck with trying to condemn people who worship God different that you do.
As usual, your commentary is abusing God's word to insult and condemn people because you can.Good luck trying to deceive people into worshiping God in a way which He did not command.
Leviticus 10:1-2 Now Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took their respective firepans, and after putting fire in them, placed incense on it and offered strange fire before the Lord, which He had not commanded them. Fire therefore came forth from the LORD's presence and consumed them, so that they died in his presence.
Matthew 15:9 Their worship is worthless, for they teach their man-made laws instead of those from God.''
Mark 7:6-7 Jesus said to them, "How right Isaiah was when he prophesied about you hypocrites. As it is written: `These people honor Me with their lips, but their heart is far away from Me. It does no good for them to worship Me because they teach laws made by men!'
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