OldShepherd
Zaqunraah
You are still misquoting me and misrepresenting what I say. One last time you earlier rejected my suggestion to review the history of the early church fathers, whereupon I said then prove whatever you want to prove from scriptures. If you say something was fulfilled but reject early church history, then prove it somehow.posted by P70
WOW! Finally! That was like pulling teeth to get you to take a stand on this! I'm glad you have hopped off the fence
So, let me get this straight, you demand from me scriptural record of "Jesus riding a cloud" in 70AD, but accept for yourself that Jesus prophesy of Jerusalems destruction was fulfilled in 70AD by the words of Josephus? The Bible records no such fulfillment yet you accept it is fulfilled???
Before I address your post in more depth, How is that not a double standard?
Do you make a habit of demanding less from yourself than you do from others?
you demand from me scriptural record of "Jesus riding a cloud" in 70AD, but accept for yourself that Jesus prophesy of Jerusalems destruction was fulfilled in 70AD by the words of Josephus? How many deliberate misrepresentations in this sentence? I didnt say anything about prophecy in mentioning Josephus. I said Jesus prophesied the destruction of Jerusalem, and Josephus documented that Jerusalem was in fact destroyed and suffered many of the things Jesus prophesied. And I pointed out that it was an actual, literal event, while you are claiming that Jesus coming in the clouds was figurative, allegorical, etc., although both events are prophesied at the same time, virtually in the same sentence.
And I think if you will read my posts you will find that the scriptural record I am requesting AND not receiving is any verse or verses which have essentially the same language as Matthew 24, in which it can be clearly, unequivocally, shown to have been fulfilled not literally but by foreign armies.
Im still waiting for you, or anyone here, to post a scripture in which God says He will come in the clouds, and He says He WILL be seen, TWICE, BUT He does not literally come AND the scriptures clearly state that the fulfillment was, in fact, an invasion or attack by a foreign army. Not only have you not produced such scriptural evidence you havent posted one single verse in which God says He will be seen in the clouds. Jesus clearly said that He would be SEEN, twice!
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