Did Jesus Die for Future Sins Committed by People?

[newton3005]

1 Peter 2:24 says that Jesus “himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed.” Based on this and other Passages in the Bible, there is at present prevailing assertions that ‘Jesus died for our sins,’ and ‘Through Jesus, our sins were nailed to the cross he was on.’ There is no doubt of Jesus’ intent to die for the sins of people that were committed up to Jesus’ being nailed to the cross. But what of sins committed by people after Jesus’ resurrection, up to the present time? Has all sin been eradicated for all time?

Consider 1 John 1:9 “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” That at least suggests that after Jesus’ resurrection, sin still exists. Consider Romans 6:23 which says “For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” If Jesus took the punishment for sins for all time, then why is the subject of sin brought up by Passages like these? It appears that sin is still around. In fact, long after Jesus’ resurrection, people were punished by Christians for sins committed which rose to heresy and sacrilege. So, there is little doubt that sin is still among us.

How do we deal with this sin? Seems that two paths have been established. One path, which is followed by the Jews, is to abide by Leviticus 23:27...31 which says, “Now on the tenth day of this seventh month is the Day of Atonement....It is a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwelling places. ...” The second path, which is upheld by the Christian faith, is to confess your sins without requiring a time frame; that is, it appears that no mention is made of acknowledging our sins in a certain day and month like the Day of Atonement.

How is it that Christianity, which is linked to Judaism at least in regard to the same God, chose a way to deal with sins that’s different from the way Jews deal with it? In other ways, Christianity has linked itself to Judaism. For one thing, it claims the same inheritance left for the Jews by Abraham, as stated in Galatians 3:28-29. An argument might be made that Abraham existed before the Jews were freed from bondage in Egypt by God and in exchange were bound by the Laws that God gave Moses.

There is no doubt that Jesus came to us as a Jew. Matthew 1:1 Links Jesus to the genealogy that includes the son of David. Well, David’s Genealogy is linked to the Twelve Tribes of Israel, who were the ones held in bondage in Egypt whom God freed, and who were thus bound to the Law, including the Day of Atonement.

What does Jesus say about the Law? According to Matthew 5:17–20, Jesus says he did not come to change the Law, but to fulfill it. How did we get from Jesus’ fulfilling the Law to dealing with our sins by merely confessing them in the time of our choosing instead of what the Law says about when to acknowledge our sins? Colossians 2:14, which appears to imply that the Law is basically a framework for dealing with a record of debts which were incurred as a result of the sins that were committed, and such record was nailed to the cross along with Jesus. Well, the sins of the people were nailed to the cross also, yet sins still exist to this day. And Jesus in Matthew 5:18 says “not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.” Has all been accomplished, when people still sin, and Christianity infers we should confess our sins toward asking for forgiveness?

Taking all this into consideration, considering Christianity has linked itself to Judaism by way of the inheritance of Abraham, and that sin still exists, doesn’t it have a ways to go to delink itself from the Law of Judaism that deals with sin, if Christians worship the same God as Jews and has accepted God’s Son as their own?

 

[Bro.T]

Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

(v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.


So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time.

So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. When the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. These animal sacrificial laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins).

Now we must believe (have faith)and keep the Commandments, because Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation

It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

Taking all this into consideration, considering Christianity has linked itself to Judaism by way of the inheritance of Abraham, and that sin still exists, doesn’t it have a ways to go to delink itself from the Law of Judaism that deals with sin, if Christians worship the same God as Jews and has accepted God’s Son as their own?

Indeed, the christianities, those reasoning bodies of men and women, have always struggled with these things. They have struggled because they disregard this:

and you may not call [any] your father on the earth, for one is your Father, who is in the heavens,
Matthew 23:9

The vast majority of the Law of Moses is most expressly written to those whose fore-father was named Israel.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

But what of sins committed by people after Jesus’ resurrection, up to the present time? Has all sin been eradicated for all time?

You have 2 mixed questions.

One, sins are not counted against people. That doesn't mean they don't exist and still exist.

There is another party with matters of sin: The devil and his messengers

Sins are still being counted up against them in preparation for execution of final judgments

God in Christ seems to be pretty patient in these matters. Even while the world is continually wrapped up in the deceptions, sin, evil and death. Long suffering I believe is the term

 

[Jim Campbell]

1 Peter 2:24 says that Jesus “himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed.” Based on this and other Passages in the Bible, there is at present prevailing assertions that ‘Jesus died for our sins,’ and ‘Through Jesus, our sins were nailed to the cross he was on.’ There is no doubt of Jesus’ intent to die for the sins of people that were committed up to Jesus’ being nailed to the cross. But what of sins committed by people after Jesus’ resurrection, up to the present time? Has all sin been eradicated for all time?

Consider 1 John 1:9 “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” That at least suggests that after Jesus’ resurrection, sin still exists. Consider Romans 6:23 which says “For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” If Jesus took the punishment for sins for all time, then why is the subject of sin brought up by Passages like these? It appears that sin is still around. In fact, long after Jesus’ resurrection, people were punished by Christians for sins committed which rose to heresy and sacrilege. So, there is little doubt that sin is still among us.

How do we deal with this sin? Seems that two paths have been established. One path, which is followed by the Jews, is to abide by Leviticus 23:27...31 which says, “Now on the tenth day of this seventh month is the Day of Atonement....It is a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwelling places. ...” The second path, which is upheld by the Christian faith, is to confess your sins without requiring a time frame; that is, it appears that no mention is made of acknowledging our sins in a certain day and month like the Day of Atonement.

How is it that Christianity, which is linked to Judaism at least in regard to the same God, chose a way to deal with sins that’s different from the way Jews deal with it? In other ways, Christianity has linked itself to Judaism. For one thing, it claims the same inheritance left for the Jews by Abraham, as stated in Galatians 3:28-29. An argument might be made that Abraham existed before the Jews were freed from bondage in Egypt by God and in exchange were bound by the Laws that God gave Moses.

There is no doubt that Jesus came to us as a Jew. Matthew 1:1 Links Jesus to the genealogy that includes the son of David. Well, David’s Genealogy is linked to the Twelve Tribes of Israel, who were the ones held in bondage in Egypt whom God freed, and who were thus bound to the Law, including the Day of Atonement.

What does Jesus say about the Law? According to Matthew 5:17–20, Jesus says he did not come to change the Law, but to fulfill it. How did we get from Jesus’ fulfilling the Law to dealing with our sins by merely confessing them in the time of our choosing instead of what the Law says about when to acknowledge our sins? Colossians 2:14, which appears to imply that the Law is basically a framework for dealing with a record of debts which were incurred as a result of the sins that were committed, and such record was nailed to the cross along with Jesus. Well, the sins of the people were nailed to the cross also, yet sins still exist to this day. And Jesus in Matthew 5:18 says “not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.” Has all been accomplished, when people still sin, and Christianity infers we should confess our sins toward asking for forgiveness?

Taking all this into consideration, considering Christianity has linked itself to Judaism by way of the inheritance of Abraham, and that sin still exists, doesn’t it have a ways to go to delink itself from the Law of Judaism that deals with sin, if Christians worship the same God as Jews and has accepted God’s Son as their own?

Consider Hebrews 12. We are by the blood of Jesus enjoying the NEW COVENANT
Overcome sin by His blood and your testimony which includes the victory through repentance and sanctification, all taught by Jesus to the disciples. What Jesus taught to them is for us to heed. There is no need to try the old covenant way in addition to the new. A parable about patching an old garment with new cloth results in tearing of the garment. New wine is not put in old wine skins, else the flask rupture and waste the wine. The old skin is trashed, replaced by a new one.
There is the fact of your conscience. Though possibly damaged by a previous sin-ravaged life, it is still a vestige, a capacity, Adam had to comprehend and associate with God. It's like a window for a dark room that lets His light in even though the sinner desires a dark room. Like an old would that heals after taking wise steps, so the conscience, part of your spiritual heart, can heal and hear to obey WORD. The conscience is like a secret chamber with a door that often cracks open to annoy you. Jesus cracks that door knocking on it. Once you manage to begin conquering sins day by day, Jesus keeps cracking the door to remind you to read bible often, pray, commune. Hours doing such daily applies to avoidance of sin, power growing to resist it, releasing a believer to increasingly serve Jesus as His FRIEND, not a servant or slave. Go to church weekly, get involved, and do the above, which will bring far more joy than trying to keep the old covenant that keeps people serving the law that can't save a person from judgment of sins that should by now be blotted, erased without a trace, of your sin history. That's why I don't bring up my sin past, not wanting Father God wondering "WHAT", the ONE who wants to cast those memories away from memory as far as the east is from the west.

 

[com7fy8]

Well, we might have heard that Jesus has died for all of our sins, "past, present, and future".

And we have 1 John 2:2 >

"And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world." (1 John 2:2)

So, I would say my sins include my future sins.

And Jesus prayed forgiveness even for those who were still busy with hating and torturing and murdering Jesus who is God's own Son; Jesus on the cross *prayed* >

"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do." (in Luke 23:34)

So, from all this I see that Jesus wants us to be forgiven for any and all sins.

But.

There are ways people can refuse the forgiveness, so they don't get it.

"'And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses.'" (Mark 11:25)

So, yes there is forgiveness in God's love for us, but if we do not live in this generously forgiving love where our forgiveness is . . .

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I do not think we have a clue as to how many sins we commit on a daily basis—hundreds, maybe? Sins known and unknown.

I think we have a blanket covering for such sins.
1 John 1:7 KJV
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another,
and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

If you walk in the light of the gospel and confess your basic sinfulness of the flesh and mind, believing... then this blanket cleaning will work for you.

This is my list of scriptures I review regularly to cement this principle into my heart and mind.

Psalms 103:2-3 KJV
2. Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:
3. Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;

Isaiah 54:4
4. Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded;
for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth,
and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.

Isaiah 43:25
25. I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions
for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.

Isaiah 44:22
22. I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and,
as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.

Psalms 51:9-10
9. Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities.
10. Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

Acts 3:19
19. Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out,
when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Micah 7:19
19. He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities;
and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea.

Jer 31:34
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother,
saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them,
saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Psalms 103:
10 He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.
11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.
12. As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

Romans 4:7-8
7. Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Hebrews_8:
12. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and
their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Psalms 32:1
1. A Psalm of David, Maschil. Blessed is he whose transgression
is forgiven, whose sin is covered.

1 John 1:9 KJV
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us
our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 2:1-2 KJV
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.
And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Psalms 3:3 KJV
3 But thou, O LORD, art a shield for me; my glory, and the lifter up of mine head.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I think we fail to appreciate that the event of the Cross its self is a timeless event that spans all of history.

One of the most profound actions to take is to kneel before the Cross and give Him the burdens that He bore for you. This is done in the light of the Cross being a timeless event which is occurring now for us.

Likewise healing is available through the Cross but few seem to appreciate that Jesus took on Himself all our sin and sickness, which we can carry needlessly.

So yes - past present and future - an action of God's great grace that is timeless.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I think we fail to appreciate that the event of the Cross its self is a timeless event that spans all of history.

One of the most profound actions to take is to kneel before the Cross and give Him the burdens that He bore for you. This is done in the light of the Cross being a timeless event which is occurring now for us.

Likewise healing is available through the Cross but few seem to appreciate that Jesus took on Himself all our sin and sickness, which we can carry needlessly.

So yes - past present and future - an action of God's great grace that is timeless.

Good work, Carl.
One of the most challenging things for many believers is to let go. Just throw yourself on His work and, well, relax. I don't agree with everything Amy Grant says and does, but this song really resonates with me.

 

[Bro.T]

Just as you freely accepted Jesus in your life you can also freely choose to stop serving him. Jesus said with his own mouth; (Matt. 24:13) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. That is until the end of your life, or until the Second Coming of the Lord.

Paul didn’t come preaching and teaching his own thing, but he abided in the doctrine of Christ. (Rom. 3:20) Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sights for by the law is the knowledge of sin. The deeds of the law is referring to the animal sacrificial laws, all those sacrifices can never remove sins, so they could never be justified. This is true because the blood of Jesus can only justify us. The animal sacrificial laws was added because people continue to sin, and the wages of sin bring for death. So instead of God killing people every time they sin, the Lord gave Moses a law to use, animals. So by the other law (Ten Commandments, statutes and Judgement) is the knowledge of sin.

Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. You wouldn’t know what sin was if there was no law.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Consider 1 John 1:9 “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” That at least suggests that after Jesus’ resurrection, sin still exists. Consider Romans 6:23 which says “For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” If Jesus took the punishment for sins for all time, then why is the subject of sin brought up by Passages like these? It appears that sin is still around. In fact, long after Jesus’ resurrection, people were punished by Christians for sins committed which rose to heresy and sacrilege. So, there is little doubt that sin is still among us.

The particular Greek tense of "forgive" in 1 John 1:9 is specifically completed action. A language expert and Koiné Greek authority of my acquaintance puts it as: While the forgiveness is contingent on the confession, the forgiveness is already completed action. Lol, this is not English, and the Greek reasoning is not common in modern intellectual circles!

 

[Carl Emerson]

Just as you freely accepted Jesus in your life you can also freely choose to stop serving him. Jesus said with his own mouth; (Matt. 24:13) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. That is until the end of your life, or until the Second Coming of the Lord.

Paul didn’t come preaching and teaching his own thing, but he abided in the doctrine of Christ. (Rom. 3:20) Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sights for by the law is the knowledge of sin. The deeds of the law is referring to the animal sacrificial laws, all those sacrifices can never remove sins, so they could never be justified. This is true because the blood of Jesus can only justify us. The animal sacrificial laws was added because people continue to sin, and the wages of sin bring for death. So instead of God killing people every time they sin, the Lord gave Moses a law to use, animals. So by the other law (Ten Commandments, statutes and Judgement) is the knowledge of sin.

Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. You wouldn’t know what sin was if there was no law.

Jesus audience was a mix of the chosen and the forever unsaved.

The life fully surrendered to Jesus is given the grace to endure.

The keeping of the law is not the object of faith. It is there to remind us that we are sinners saved by grace.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

The particular Greek tense of "forgive" in 1 John 1:9 is specifically completed action. A language expert and Koiné Greek authority of my acquaintance puts it as: While the forgiveness is contingent on the confession, the forgiveness is already completed action. Lol, this is not English, and the Greek reasoning is not common in modern intellectual circles!

Verse 7 reinforces this idea.


1 John 1:7 KJV
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

 

[Bro.T]

Jesus audience was a mix of the chosen and the forever unsaved.

The life fully surrendered to Jesus is given the grace to endure.

The keeping of the law is not the object of faith. It is there to remind us that we are sinners saved by grace.

At the end of the Bible in Revelation 21: 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).

This was a direct answer to a direct question, which all of us will do well to take heed to. Anybody can claim to have faith, but actions speak louder than words. Faith and works go together and you can't have one without the other. "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).

 

[Carl Emerson]

At the end of the Bible in Revelation 21: 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).

This was a direct answer to a direct question, which all of us will do well to take heed to. Anybody can claim to have faith, but actions speak louder than words. Faith and works go together and you can't have one without the other. "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).

Of course - Real faith manifests in works.

Yet we can trip up and lapse on occasion and be restored.

But at judgement our redemption comes primarily from what He did for us.

And our reward comes from our obedience to His Spirit in life.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

This verse introduces some interesting logic.

1 John 2:1-2 KJV
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

He divides believers on one side and the world (unbelievers) on the other.
He is saying Jesus died for the sins of the world AND the sins of the believers. So, this logic suggests both are treated the same. Whether you are a believer or a non-believer, Jesus died for your sins. He died in the past, and therefore, He died for all future sins, not just sins of the past.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

give Him the burdens

Not aware that He takes away sin and then makes us sinless in the process

In fact we can point to scriptures that prove we can and do become even worse. Reading the Word for example brings our adversary, the tempter, the deceiver into the pictures. Mark 4:15. Reading and trying to follow the law gives power to sin. 1 Cor. 15:56.

Did I fail to mention it was God Himself that bound us to disobedience? Rom. 11:32

And we can not even manage to tell the truth of the matters because we are sooo deceived.

Fruitless exercise resulting in make me feel good religious delusion

Why not just be honest and expose the burdens, even condemn them in ourselves, knowing there is no escape from them in this present life? At least it's a form of honest dominion and keeps us out of the lying hypocrisy traps of SIN

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Yet we can trip up and lapse on occasion and be restored.

Implies we are otherwise sinless when we don't trip up and lapse

Fact is, we are always sinners and no forms of pretending religious cloaking will make it otherwise

Expose yourself to God, openly, for what you really are. You might be surprised by what you'll hear from Him when you're honest

 

[Carl Emerson]

Implies we are otherwise sinless when we don't trip up and lapse

No it doesn't.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Not aware that He takes away sin and then makes us sinless in the process

In fact we can point to scriptures that prove we can and do become even worse. Reading the Word for example brings our adversary, the tempter, the deceiver into the pictures. Mark 4:15. Reading and trying to follow the law gives power to sin. 1 Cor. 15:56.

Did I fail to mention it was God Himself that bound us to disobedience? Rom. 11:32

And we can not even manage to tell the truth of the matters because we are sooo deceived.

Fruitless exercise resulting in make me feel good religious delusion

Why not just be honest and expose the burdens, even condemn them in ourselves, knowing there is no escape from them in this present life? At least it's a form of honest dominion and keeps us out of the lying hypocrisy traps of SIN

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