Did Jesus create evolution?

[YahuahSaves]

So you are not interested in using "evolution" to mean just biological evolution, but rather to mean change in general?

So you are asking if Jesus created change in general?

Huh?

I ask you for a short summary of the main points of the video, and you direct me back to the video.

The video is not a summary of itself.

I believe God does create change and make things grow, but human will plays a role as well both physically/environmentally and spiritually.

In the case of the video in post #97 I referred you to was not the video you were asking about. But it answers your question on what my idea of biological evolution actually is. (Roughly 20 minutes in) gene mutations are by human interference (IMO) and not the original design by God.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Evidence... I have yet to see the evidence for "evolution" on the scale that most people understand this term.
Observation... This one is the most convenient argument for those who believe in evolution. As long as they can keep adding "time" to these occurrences of evolution it's more and more acceptable. The very minimum amount of time the theory of evolution has to have to maintain its magic is just over the average lifespan of a average humanbeing. Evolution has Never been observed by a single humanbeing in a single span of a lifetime... So why wouldn't the evolutionist just keep adding time on top of time in order to fit in all these changes to species.
Reality... Ahh the good ole reality arguement. "those old folks from waaaaay back in the day had no grasp on reality, because they were from waaay back in the day when humanbeings didn't yet take advantage of their "evolved" brains and certainly didn't use them to think critically about anything more then hitting rocks, eating and staring at the sky. "
It humors me when people look back on those from any time in the past with the same arrogance as they view people today.
"steeped in superstition and religion and magical thinking" - I would argue these terms best sum up the theory of Evolution far better then anything found in the Bible.
Without superstition the Evolutionists could not maintain their grip upon our modern educational system..
The belief in evolution is in complete contrast to the belief in the Bible, nevertheless it's still just a belief. The theory of evolution has yet to produce a single shred of evidence (other then using the excuse of time) leaving those who prescribe to evolution Must use faith to hold onto it.
Magical thinking... This one is the best one of all. "I'm a evolutionist, I believe in faith that a humanbeing shares a common ancestor with the fish, or the reptile, or the mosquito, or the blue whale, or the, or the, or the Everything..." if this isn't magical thinking I don't know what it is...

But have patience my fellow Bible believing Christians, the theory of evolution is slowly but surely dieing. It will no doubt crawl back in its dark back alley from which it was conjured from. Hey who knows maybe in a 100 years our descendants will look back and have a good laugh on the theory of evolution. Or maybe in 100 million years our new humanoid species descendants with all 32 heads and 46 brains will look back and snicker in some ultra realistic and smart language at the ignorance of evolution... I'm guessing not though.

Refer to the video in post #97 it makes the distinction between observational evidence and historical evidence and clears up the myth about rock formations being formed over very long periods of time.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Reality... Ahh the good ole reality arguement. "those old folks from waaaaay back in the day had no grasp on reality, because they were from waaay back in the day when humanbeings didn't yet take advantage of their "evolved" brains and certainly didn't use them to think critically about anything more then hitting rocks, eating and staring at the sky. "
It humors me when people look back on those from any time in the past with the same arrogance as they view people today.
"steeped in superstition and religion and magical thinking" - I would argue these terms best sum up the theory of Evolution far better then anything found in the Bible.

You made my day with this

 

[Kylie]

I believe God does create change and make things grow, but human will plays a role as well both physically/environmentally and spiritually.

In the case of the video in post #97 I referred you to was not the video you were asking about. But it answers your question on what my idea of biological evolution actually is. (Roughly 20 minutes in) gene mutations are by human interference (IMO) and not the original design by God.

You mean the bit about kinds and the ark?

Well, for a start, there's disagreement among creationists about whether "kind" equates to "family" as Ken Hamm suggests. Our own @AV1611VET holds the position that the Biblical kind is synonymous with "genus."

In any case, Ken says there is only one cat kind. How do you think we got the huge variety of cats in the few thousand years since Noah's flood if not for evolution? I mean, from what Ken says, all the cats that were taken on board the ark were the same kind, and yet from them we have everything from tigers to lions to cheetahs, pumas, servals, ocelots and a whole bunch of others (see THIS page on Wikipedia for a list of different types of cats). How did we get all these different types of cats if not for evolution?

 

[YahuahSaves]

Magical thinking... This one is the best one of all. "I'm a evolutionist, I believe in faith that a humanbeing shares a common ancestor with the fish, or the reptile, or the mosquito, or the blue whale, or the, or the, or the Everything..." if this isn't magical thinking I don't know what it is...

Or the unicorn..

But have patience my fellow Bible believing Christians, the theory of evolution is slowly but surely dieing. It will no doubt crawl back in its dark back alley from which it was conjured from. Hey who knows maybe in a 100 years our descendants will look back and have a good laugh on the theory of evolution. Or maybe in 100 million years our new humanoid species descendants with all 32 heads and 46 brains will look back and snicker in some ultra realistic and smart language at the ignorance of evolution... I'm guessing not though.

You are my new favourite person

 

[YahuahSaves]

You mean the bit about kinds and the ark?

Well, for a start, there's disagreement among creationists about whether "kind" equates to "family" as Ken Hamm suggests. Our own @AV1611VET holds the position that the Biblical kind is synonymous with "genus."

In any case, Ken says there is only one cat kind. How do you think we got the huge variety of cats in the few thousand years since Noah's flood if not for evolution? I mean, from what Ken says, all the cats that were taken on board the ark were the same kind, and yet from them we have everything from tigers to lions to cheetahs, pumas, servals, ocelots and a whole bunch of others (see THIS page on Wikipedia for a list of different types of cats). How did we get all these different types of cats if not for evolution?

If you actually tried watching the video instead of interjecting what you think the guy was saying based on 2 minutes, you might actually be surprised.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Well, for a start, there's disagreement among creationists about whether "kind" equates to "family" as Ken Hamm suggests. Our own @AV1611VET holds the position that the Biblical kind is synonymous with "genus."

Ken Ham didn't say any such thing... however you do seem to think that Christians have less in common than they actually do. The core of the faith is Jesus Christ, the living God, the creator of the universe and the main topic of the thread, which is the origin and continuation of the universe.

 

[Kylie]

If you actually tried watching the video instead of interjecting what you think the guy was saying based on 2 minutes, you might actually be surprised.

I watched the bit you told me to watch, about 20 minutes in. If you want me to watch a specific part, give me a specific time code in minutes and seconds.

 

[Kylie]

Ken Ham didn't say any such thing... however you do seem to think that Christians have less in common than they actually do. The core of the faith is Jesus Christ, the living God, the creator of the universe and the main topic of the thread, which is the origin and continuation of the universe.

Uh, yes he did say exactly that.

Ken Hamm: "The Bible doesn't say Noah took all the species of animals on the ark. The Bible, first of all, tells us that Noah was to take the LAND DWELLING, air breathing animals on the ark. Not all the animals on Earth, just the land animals. And secondly, it doesn't say "species," it doesn't use the word "species." Can anyone tell me what word it uses?"

Audience mumbling: "Kind..."

Ken Hamm: "KIND. You see, in Genesis chapter one, when God created the animals and plants, he says he created them after his kind, after their kind. The implication here is that each kind reproduces its own kind. In the biology classes you study classification: phylum, class, order, what's the next one? Family, genus, species. The Hebrew word for "kind" probably equates in most instances to what's called a family level of classification. When it comes to dogs, there's only one family of dogs. And they're called dogs. So there's only one kind of dog, and it's called dog. In other words, you'd expect to find dogs reproducing dogs, cats reproducing cats, elephants reproducing elephants."

So yeah, he did say that. I gave you a link which will take you right to the part I provided a transcript for. If you think my transcript is in error, please tell me what you think he actually said.

 

[YahuahSaves]

I watched the bit you told me to watch, about 20 minutes in. If you want me to watch a specific part, give me a specific time code in minutes and seconds.

Maybe watch the whole thing? It answers every scientific question you have relating to the bible. Unless you're afraid to? Maybe it won't make you a Christian, but perhaps it'll make you agnostic.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Well, for a start, there's disagreement among creationists about whether "kind" equates to "family" as Ken Hamm suggests.

Uh, yes he did say exactly that.


"The Bible does say Noah took all the species of animals on the ark.

That's not what you quoted Ken Ham saying originally. If you're going to throw the fishing line out at least make the argument legitimate.

 

[driewerf]

All things Happen in Accordance to GODS will.

The Holocaust, the war in Ukraine, the many abortions, cancers, car crashes, school shootings, child pornography, drug traficking and so on. All god's will. Got it.

 

[YahuahSaves]

"The Bible does say Noah took all the species of animals on the ark.

17.36 minutes in he states the question he is asked (which you are referring to) and then he says, "actually it does not say..." this just proves you glanced at it with deaf ears because you hold firmly to your atheist position.

 

[YahuahSaves]

The Holocaust, the war in Ukraine, the many abortions, cancers, car crashes, school shootings, child pornography, drug traficking and so on. All god's will. Got it.

Human will (choice) is a thing, or did you not know?

 

[Kylie]

That's not what you quoted Ken Ham saying originally. If you're going to throw the fishing line out at least make the argument legitimate.

Yes, that is what I quoted him as saying.

I said, "...there's disagreement among creationists about whether "kind" equates to "family" as Ken Hamm suggests." In short, I said Ken Hamm had suggested that "kind" equates to "family."

You said, "Ken Ham didn't say any such thing."

I said, "Uh, yes he did say exactly that." And then I provided a transcript which shows that he said, "The Hebrew word for "kind" probably equates in most instances to what's called a family level of classification."

He literally suggested that "kind" and "family" mean the same thing, and I never stated otherwise.

Of course, if you would care to quote the post in which I said Ken Hamm said "kind" equated to something other than "family," I'd be happy to admit I was wrong.

 

[Kylie]

Human will (choice) is a thing, or did you not know?

But that's not what J said, was it? He said ALL things that happen are God's will. ALL things. Gotta take the good with the bad here.

 

[Kylie]

17.36 minutes in he states the question he is asked (which you are referring to) and then he says, "actually it does not say..." this just proves you glanced at it with deaf ears because you hold firmly to your atheist position.

The bit that Ken says the Bible does not say is that it does not say that Noah took all of the animals onto the ark. It says that he took the land dwelling, air breathing animals onto the ark. And I included that statement in my transcript.

This does not change the fact that Ken Hamm said, "The Hebrew word for "kind" probably equates in most instances to what's called a family level of classification."

It's pretty telling when you are quote mining even those people who are on your own side.

In any case, I'm still waiting to hear how you would explain evaluation to someone who asked you what it was. I'm asking you to describe how scientists say it works. You haven't come close to answering that.

 

[driewerf]

Human will (choice) is a thing, or did you not know?

The words "All things" aren't hard to understand. Or do words not mean what they mean anymore?

J Mick said:
All things Happen in Accordance to GODS will.

You guys should think about what you write, before you write something down.

edit: plus what Kylie wrote

 

[driewerf]

God created all things and sustains all things.

Except the 99% or so species that went extinct.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Uh, yes he did say exactly that.

Ken Hamm: "The Bible doesn't say Noah took all the species of animals on the ark. The Bible, first of all, tells us that Noah was to take the LAND DWELLING, air breathing animals on the ark. Not all the animals on Earth, just the land animals. And secondly, it doesn't say "species," it doesn't use the word "species." Can anyone tell me what word it uses?"

Audience mumbling: "Kind..."

Ken Hamm: "KIND. You see, in Genesis chapter one, when God created the animals and plants, he says he created them after his kind, after their kind. The implication here is that each kind reproduces its own kind. In the biology classes you study classification: phylum, class, order, what's the next one? Family, genus, species. The Hebrew word for "kind" probably equates in most instances to what's called a family level of classification. When it comes to dogs, there's only one family of dogs. And they're called dogs. So there's only one kind of dog, and it's called dog. In other words, you'd expect to find dogs reproducing dogs, cats reproducing cats, elephants reproducing elephants."

So yeah, he did say that. I gave you a link which will take you right to the part I provided a transcript for. If you think my transcript is in error, please tell me what you think he actually said.

OK so I took your statement to mean Ken Ham said he himself disagreed with other creationists by your entire statement including AV... (who has nothing to do with our conversation, so maybe take that up with him)?