Did Jesus create evolution?

[YahuahSaves]

Just out of curiosity, how would you explain biological evolution to someone who asked you what it was?

Human interference is still a thing. God doesn't interfere with human will (per se)

My OP refers to the origin of the universe (something scientists don't know) and the definition of evolution I was referring to is in line with the scriptures.

evolve
intransitive verb

1) To develop or achieve gradually.
2) To work (something) out; devise.
3) To develop (a characteristic) by evolutionary processes.

 

[Lost Witness]

"It is important to note that microevolution and macroevolution are not different processes. Both relate to genetic changes in a population across generations; the only difference is the timescale on which the two operate. Macroevolution is the accumulation of microevolutionary changes over a long period of time to the point that the population is unique from other populations, and is considered a distinct species."

3.6: Micro and Macroevolution

At its simplest, evolution is any change in heritable traits in a population of organisms across generations. These changes may be the result of natural selection, genetic drift, mutation, etc –…

bio.libretexts.org

The author who wrote that has a Bachelor of Science in biology and a Ph.D. in Ecology and Evolutionary Biology. So it's safe to say she knows what she is talking about. Is that enough proof for you?

Now, maybe you'll answer my question now: tell me what process is required for macro-evolution that does not occur in microevolution.

any more sources or is that the only thing you could dig up?

 

[Kylie]

Human interference is still a thing. God doesn't interfere with human will (per se)

My OP refers to the origin of the universe (something scientists don't know) and the definition of evolution I was referring to is in line with the scriptures.

evolve
intransitive verb

1) To develop or achieve gradually.
2) To work (something) out; devise.
3) To develop (a characteristic) by evolutionary processes.

This doesn't answer my question.

How would you explain biological evolution to someone who asked you what it was?

 

[Kylie]

any more sources or is that the only thing you could dig up?

Stop making excuses. You asked for proof, I gave you something written by someone who studies evolution and biology for a living. Like it or not, she knows what she is talking about better than either one of us. I'm not going to play your game, because I don't think ANY amount of evidence is going to be enough to satisfy you. I've provided what you asked for, so stop complaining about it. It's time for you to answer my question.

Tell me what process is required for macro-evolution that does not occur in microevolution.

 

[Lost Witness]

Stop making excuses. You asked for proof, I gave you something written by someone who studies evolution and biology for a living. Like it or not, she knows what she is talking about better than either one of us. I'm not going to play your game, because I don't think ANY amount of evidence is going to be enough to satisfy you. I've provided what you asked for, so stop complaining about it. It's time for you to answer my question.

Tell me what process is required for macro-evolution that does not occur in microevolution.

Yea , one person as though they are the authority in Biology, Kylie.

 

[AV1611VET]

In both cases the process is the same - put one foot in front of the other again and again and again. It is foolish to say that micro walking is possible but macro walking is not possible when the process is the same.

I'm familiar with the process.

But you're leaving a major part of it out.

To wit, mutating all the way.

From ape to man.

 

[AV1611VET]

Tell me what process is required for macro-evolution that does not occur in microevolution.

Deep time.

 

[Kylie]

Yea , one person as though they are the authority in Biology, Kylie.

Given that you have no education or qualification in the field at all and have not provided a single shred of evidence to support your position that they are somehow different, I'd say my position is looking a lot better than yours.

But fine, you want to play this silly game?

"The main mistake creationist perpetuate when thinking about micro-vs-macro evolution, is that the two are somehow different and distinct physical processes. This is simply not the case, they are both just evolution." SOURCE The author works in the department of biology at the University of Pennsylvania.

On a page on Quora, where the question was asked, "What are the main and most important differences between macroevolution and microevolution?" These are some of the answers:

• "To be blunt, the spelling is the only difference." Written by an associate professor of anthropology.
• "Time. That is all. There really are no other differences... Scientists who study evolution see no actual difference between lots of evolution and little bits of evolution. THERE IS JUST MORE OF IT. But there is no difference between them, except for giving them time to accumulate. Let me emphasize that again, THERE IS NO BORDER, DIVISION OR BARRIER between these two ‘types’ of evolution..." Written by someone with a Bachelor's and a Doctorate in biology.
• "The same distinction as between a 10-mile hike and a short stroll. Macroevolution is just lots of microevolutions, stacked up." Author has a degree in biology.
• "Macroevolution is just accumulated microevolution." Author is a zoologist and a geneticist.
• "Micro- anything is a little bit and macro- anything is a big bit. Micro-evolution is a little bit of evolution and macro-evolution is a big bit of evolution. Neither term is particularly useful." Author has a BSc in biology.
• "Just the number of generations involved." Author is a student of applied biology.

And also:

"...macroevolution is simply an accumulation of microevolutionary events. In other words, microevolution inevitably leads to macroevolution. So if microevolution happens, then, ipso facto, macroevolution also happens." SOURCE The author has a B.S., M.S., and Ph.D. in biology, and is currently a post-doctoral researcher at a university. He has have over a decade of research experience, and has published multiple peer-reviewed papers, served as a reviewer for many journals, and presented his research at national, professional conferences.

So there you go. Multiple people all of whom have studied science and biology a lot more than either of us, and they are all saying that micro evolution and macroevolution are the same exact thing, just over different time scales.

Now, it's time for you to answer my question.

Tell me what process is required for macro-evolution that does not occur in microevolution.

Of course, I suspect that you will find some reason to ignore this and also refuse to answer the question I asked.

 

[Kylie]

I'm familiar with the process.

But you're leaving a major part of it out.

To wit, mutating all the way.

From ape to man.

Again, do you understand what an ANALOGY is?

 

[Kylie]

Deep time.

There's been billions of years for it, despite your KJV-only opinion saying otherwise.

 

[AV1611VET]

Again, do you understand what an ANALOGY is?

There are two aspects of evolution re the analogy you're using.

1. microsteps from point A to point B
2. each step a mutation, resulting in a change from one thing to another

Your question is only about the first aspect; and I'm not going to agree to it, since it has such a devastating second step hanging over it.

 

[Kylie]

There are two aspects of evolution re the analogy you're using.

1. microsteps from point A to point B
2. each step a mutation, resulting in a change from one thing to another

Your question is only about the first aspect; and I'm not going to agree to it, since it has such a devastating second step hanging over it.

In the analogy, the change you speak of in the second aspect is the change in position that occurs when you take a step.

 

[AV1611VET]

There's been billions of years for it, despite your KJV-only opinion saying otherwise.

You asked a good question and got a good answer.

If you don't agree with that answer, that's your prerogative.

 

[Kylie]

You asked a good question and got a good answer.

If you don't agree with that answer, that's your prerogative.

I asked a good question, but your answer was nothing but your opinion. An opinion that is contradicted by the real world evidence. And if I have to chose whether to believe your unsupported claims or the real world, I'm going with the real world every time.

 

[AV1611VET]

In the analogy, the change you speak of in the second aspect is the change in position that occurs when you take a step.

I'm not buying it, Kylie.

It's a trap.

A trap that all evolutionists fall into.

You know we believe in microevolution.

But you pull this "baby steps" scenario, which is your way of saying the exact same thing: microevolution.

Why, instead of saying, "Yes, I agree with you; we're microevolving with each generation," are you changing the set?

I think I know why.

 

[Kylie]

I'm not buying it, Kylie.

It's a trap.

A trap that all evolutionists fall into.

You know we believe in microevolution.

But you pull this "baby steps" scenario, which is your way of saying the exact same thing: microevolution.

Why, instead of saying, "Yes, I agree with you; we're microevolving with each generation," are you changing the set?

I think I know why.

You just don't seem to get it.

Macro evolution is just lots of micro evolutions.

I don't know how to make this any clearer.

A large amount of money is the same thing as having lots of small amounts of money.

Walking a long distance is the same as walking a short distance lots of times.

Macro evolution is just micro evolution over a longer time.

Seriously, it's not a difficult concept.

 

[AV1611VET]

I asked a good question, but your answer was nothing but your opinion.

Evidently it's your opinion too.

If a person can leave Boston and take baby-steps and arrive at Los Angeles, more power to him.

If that's your example of microevolution, then so be it.

As long as he is the same man who left Boston, and arrived in Los Angeles exactly as he left.

 

[AV1611VET]

You just don't seem to get it.

Macro evolution is just lots of micro evolutions.

How many trips to Boston is this guy making?

If microevolution is one trip from Boston to Los Angeles via baby steps.

And a second microevolution is from Los Angeles back to Boston.

How many times is this guy expected to traipse the United States before he arrives somewhere with a new genus?

 

[YahuahSaves]

Here's an article for scientists and bible scholars alike.

What Holds the Universe Together?: Physics and the Bible: – Lambert Dolphin – Koinonia House

Physicst Lambert Dolphin examines the theories behind what holds the universe together, and suggests that the Bible and science don't have to be mutually exclusive.

khouse.org

 

[All Becomes New]

1) At t=0 either nothing existed, or existence itself existed.
2) t=1 exists.
3) Nothing cannot produce t=1.
Therefore,
C) At t=0 existence itself existed.

I could make the same exact argument for the origin of life. Intelligent Design is far superior to natural evolution since evolutionists also agree that evolution is guided, they just have no explanation for it and Intelligent Design does. In short, the only thing we know that is capable of creating is a mind. Abiogenesis has zero scientific support.