Did Jesus create evolution?

[Kylie]

Here's another scientific fact which you still know is not in the Bible:

When their boat was in danger of capsizing due to the waves, Jesus rebuked the WIND, and the WAVES subsided too.

See any prescience there?

It's easy to see that there are more waves when it is windy. It's not surprising that people back then would have known this.

 

[YahuahSaves]

The Bible.

OK way to miss my point. No worries

 

[Lost Witness]

All things Happen in Accordance to GODS will.

 

[YahuahSaves]

@Pipp@
Which scriptures? The amplified ones that add to the Gospel? Where is there evolution? Sorry not seeing it.

God created all things and sustains all things. He has a plan he is bringing to fruition. He is the one that makes all things grow and change. (Both physically and spiritually). This is what I mean by "evolution" (see definition) or do you assume God created and set the universe in motion like a clock?

evolve
intransitive verb

1) To develop or achieve gradually.
2) To work (something) out; devise.
3) To develop (a characteristic) by evolutionary processes.

 

[Kylie]

God created all things and sustains all things. He has a plan he is bringing to fruition. He is the one that makes all things grow and change. (Both physically and spiritually). This is what I mean by "evolution" (see definition) or do you assume God created and set the universe in motion like a clock?

evolve
intransitive verb

1) To develop or achieve gradually.
2) To work (something) out; devise.
3) To develop (a characteristic) by evolutionary processes.

Just out of curiosity, how would you explain biological evolution to someone who asked you what it was?

 

[Lost Witness]

Can anyone Prove anything other than Micro Evolution?

 

[AV1611VET]

OK way to miss my point. No worries

???

What did you want me to say?

That Jesus is the Logos? or logic personified?

 

[YahuahSaves]

None of that has anything to do with revelation, which is what I was responding to. People noticing things happening in the environment and writing a description of it and/or what they think is causing it, even if they turn out to be correct has nothing to do with learning about these things through revelation.

The Bible was written under the direction of the Holy Spirit (God himself) if revelation plays no part in understanding the origin of the universe, then how could mortals understand something 2000 years prior to the discovery?

Revelation 21:18-20
The New Jerusalem

18The wall was made of jasper, and the city was pure gold, as clear as glass. 19The wall of the city was built on foundation stones inlaid with twelve precious stones:e the first was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, 20the fifth onyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, the twelfth amethyst.

 

[YahuahSaves]

No, Jesus did not create evolution, He created man, completed in a single day.

He created the universe. Everything seen and  unseen.

 

[YahuahSaves]

I'd rather have questions I can't answer than answers I can't question.

Depends if you believe in God or not?

If you don't believe in God, you have a question you can't answer. If you believe in God, you have an answer you can't question.

 

[Lost Witness]

Could do with Less questioning on my part and more trust.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Paul probably didn't write

"Probably" is not a fact, it's an assumption.

 

[Kylie]

Can anyone Prove anything other than Micro Evolution?

The process of "macro-evolution" is exactly the same as the process for "micro-evolution." It's just over a longer period of time. To claim that micro evolution happens but macro evolution is impossible is like saying that you can walk to the shop down the street, but you can't walk across the town.

 

[Lost Witness]

The process of "macro-evolution" is exactly the same as the process for "micro-evolution." It's just over a longer period of time. To claim that micro evolution happens but macro evolution is impossible is like saying that you can walk to the shop down the street, but you can't walk across the town.

I asked for Proof, Kylie.
not opinion

 

[Jonaitis]

The process of "macro-evolution" is exactly the same as the process for "micro-evolution." It's just over a longer period of time. To claim that micro evolution happens but macro evolution is impossible is like saying that you can walk to the shop down the street, but you can't walk across the town.

As you said: If there is enough time, "micro-evolution" eventually becomes "macro-evolution," as the path of each organism continues to diverge from one another. This is something that isn't quite thought through with many YEC (because I use to think that way).

 

[Kylie]

I asked for Proof, Kylie.
not opinion

It is not opinion. Anyone who understands what biological evolution actually is understands that the process is the same.

However, since you claim they are different, please tell me what process is required for macro-evolution that does not occur in microevolution.

 

[Lost Witness]

It is not opinion. Anyone who understands what biological evolution actually is understands that the process is the same.

However, since you claim they are different, please tell me what process is required for macro-evolution that does not occur in microevolution.

Again, No Proof.

 

[Kylie]

Again, No Proof.

"It is important to note that microevolution and macroevolution are not different processes. Both relate to genetic changes in a population across generations; the only difference is the timescale on which the two operate. Macroevolution is the accumulation of microevolutionary changes over a long period of time to the point that the population is unique from other populations, and is considered a distinct species."

3.6: Micro and Macroevolution

At its simplest, evolution is any change in heritable traits in a population of organisms across generations. These changes may be the result of natural selection, genetic drift, mutation, etc –…

bio.libretexts.org

The author who wrote that has a Bachelor of Science in biology and a Ph.D. in Ecology and Evolutionary Biology. So it's safe to say she knows what she is talking about. Is that enough proof for you?

Now, maybe you'll answer my question now: tell me what process is required for macro-evolution that does not occur in microevolution.

 

[AV1611VET]

The process of "macro-evolution" is exactly the same as the process for "micro-evolution." It's just over a longer period of time. To claim that micro evolution happens but macro evolution is impossible is like saying that you can walk to the shop down the street, but you can't walk across the town.

That's a negative.

I get this "baby-steps from Point A to Point Z" sometimes, and I reply:

Leaving Boston and taking baby steps to L.A. is not an example of evolution.

Evolution would have an ape leaving Boston, taking baby steps, and arriving in L.A. as a human."

 

[Kylie]

That's a negative.

I get this "baby-steps from Point A to Point Z" sometimes, and I reply:

Leaving Boston and taking baby steps to L.A. is not an example of evolution.

Evolution would have an ape leaving Boston, taking baby steps, and arriving in L.A. as a human."

Do you actually understand the concept of an analogy? Because you sure seem to be confused by it here.

Micro-walking is taking steps to go from your house to she shop down the street.

Macro-walking is leaving Boston and walking to LA.

In both cases the process is the same - put one foot in front of the other again and again and again. It is foolish to say that micro walking is possible but macro walking is not possible when the process is the same.