Did Jesus break the Sabbath?

[Gary K]

No, but He did engage in actions that He knew people would question.

He deliberately put a stumbling block in front of them to teach them they’re over stressing matters of the Law that were not intended to be such a heavy burden on the people.

I don’t personally believe that people have changed much, in that the people and the priests had nothing better to do than observe others and wait for them to do something that caught their attention.

Besides, He’s Lord of the Sabbath… (He can do whatever He wants)

It seems you have never read the Jewish Talmud as the Pharisees followed it more than they did God.

Here is an actual quote from the Talmud on keeping the Sabbath. It is just one of their laws for Sabbath keeping. There are hundred of these laws in the Talmud. Look sat the confusion created when one rabbi's ruling contradicts another's ruling.

REGULATIONS CONCERNING THE OVERSTEPPING OF THE LEGAL LIMITS ON THE
SABBATH, AND MEASUREMENTS OF THE SABBATH-DISTANCE.
MISHNA: If foes, or an evil spirit (a fit of insanity?), caused one to go beyond the Sabbath
limit, he after recovering his freedom must not move further than four ells; if the foes or the fit
have carried him back within the limit, it is as if he had not gone beyond it. If they have carried
him into another town, or into a pen or a fold for cattle, he according to Rabbon Gamaliel and R. Eliezer ben Azariah, may go about throughout the entire extent (of the town, pen or fold). R.
Joshua and R. Aqiba maintain, that he must not move further than four ells. It once happened
that these four sages came together from Parendisim (Brundusium, or Brindisi) and their vessel
was still at sea on the Sabbath. Rabbon Gamaliel and R. Eliezer ben Azariah walked about
throughout the whole vessel; but R. Joshua and R. Aqiba did not move beyond four ells, as they wished to take upon themselves the rigid observance. Once these four sages were on board a vessel and did not enter the harbor until after dark (on the eve of Sabbath); so they inquired of Rabbon Gamaliel: "What are we to do as to descending from the vessel?" He answered them: Ye may descend; for I observed, that we had already entered the limits of the Sabbath-distance before dusk.

So this idea that Jesus could do just as He pleased is based on a false supposition.

 

[tonychanyt]

It seems you have never read the Jewish Talmud as the Pharisees followed it more than they did God.

Here is an actual quote from the Talmud on keeping the Sabbath. It is just one of their laws for Sabbath keeping. There are hundred of these laws in the Talmud. Look sat the confusion created when one rabbi's ruling contradicts another's ruling.

Thanks for the link. To save the effort of everyone, this is how to do referencing in a scholarly manner:

1. Give the name of the source.
2. Provide the link to the source. It is the URL address.
3. Indent the quoted text.
4. Bold the relevant keywords that are important to the point that you are making.
5. Be concise and to the point.

This is what I do for others who read my posts. It is a standard high-school scholarship. If you practice this, I guarantee you: it will improve your analytical thinking. In any case, no one is required to do it here.

 

[Gary K]

Thanks for the link. To save the effort of everyone, this is how to do referencing in a scholarly manner:

1. Give the name of the source.
2. Provide the link to the source. It is the URL address.
3. Indent the quoted text.
4. Bold the relevant keywords that are important to the point that you are making.
5. Be concise and to the point.

This is what I do for others who read my posts. It is a standard high-school scholarship. If you practice this, I guarantee you: it will improve your analytical thinking. In any case, no one is required to do it here.

Well, the source is the Talmud and it's a huge collection of Jewish laws. There is no links that I know of to read from; I just found a link to download it a few years ago and I copy and paste out of my ebook copy of it.

 

[tonychanyt]

Well, the source is the Talmud and it's a huge collection of Jewish laws. There is no links that I know of to read from; I just found a link to download it a few years ago and I copy and paste out of my ebook copy of it.

1. Indent the quoted text.
2. Bold the relevant keywords that are important to the point that you are making.
3. Be concise and to the point.

 

[Gary K]

1. Indent the quoted text.
2. Bold the relevant keywords that are important to the point that you are making.
3. Be concise and to the point.

Thanks for the advice. I didn't do that as I would have to have just bolded the entire text. I also don't know how much more concise I could have been as I didn't comment on the quote.

 

[Der Alte]

It seems you have never read the Jewish Talmud as the Pharisees followed it more than they did God.
Here is an actual quote from the Talmud on keeping the Sabbath. It is just one of their laws for Sabbath keeping. There are hundred of these laws in the Talmud. Look sat the confusion created when one rabbi's ruling contradicts another's ruling.
So this idea that Jesus could do just as He pleased is based on a false supposition.

Jesus IS Lord of the Sabbath He can choose to do anything He chooses to do on that day.

 

[Gary K]

Jesus IS Lord of the Sabbath He can choose to do anything He chooses to do on that day.

Really? God can be unmerciful?

Exo_34:6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,

Heb_13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

As Jesus is God no matter who we call God or the Lord that's who He is.

 

[Der Alte]

Really? God can be unmerciful?
As Jesus is God no matter who we call God or the Lord that's who He is.

Where did I ever say/imply that Jesus could be unmerciful? C'mon lets get real here.

 

[Saber Truth Tiger]

Sure. Then your logic is reasonable but not first-order logical.

I read a couple of books 40 years ago on the subject of logic. One of them was by Irving Copi. I don't remember anything about "first-order logic". What is first order logic?

 

[tonychanyt]

I read a couple of books 40 years ago on the subject of logic. One of them was by Irving Copi. I don't remember anything about "first-order logic". What is first order logic?

Wiki:

First-order logic—also known as predicate logic, quantificational logic, and first-order predicate calculus—is a collection of formal systems used in mathematics, philosophy, linguistics, and computer science.

It is basically what everyone who is into formal logic uses, including Irving Copi. He might have used a different term.