Did God Set A Specific Time For Everyone To Die?

[ILoveYeshua]

but if God foreknew it, and he is sovereign, how could he not have predestined it? he predestined the exact circumstances surrounding Christ's death, including the time, and when that rooster would crow for Cephas, right? And he foreknew and predestined the exact time and method of the suicide of Judas Iscariot, so why not every person?

 

[victoryword]

but if God foreknew it, and he is sovereign, how could he not have predestined it? he predestined the exact circumstances surrounding Christ's death, including the time, and when that rooster would crow for Cephas, right? And he foreknew and predestined the exact time and method of the suicide of Judas Iscariot, so why not every person?

I want to answer this but I have a question before I do. Are you a Calvinist? Do you adhere to any part of TULIP, i.e, believing that God predestines some to salvation and some to damnation?

 

[ILoveYeshua]

sorry, dont know what you're talking about. i just read the Bible (well, and other secular books). is that like DAISY? just kidding, i dont know.

 

[ILoveYeshua]

i believe the interaction between free will and predestination is much like how light is both a particle and a wave, its all in how you look at it.

 

[victoryword]

i believe the interaction between free will and predestination is much like how light is both a particle and a wave, its all in how you look at it.

Do you believe that God predestines some to hell and others to salvation by an act of His sovereign will?

 

[ILoveYeshua]

yea i think that is predestined, cuz if God can't say who gets into heaven, he isn't much of a God is he?

 

[PastorJoey]

yea i think that is predestined, cuz if God can't say who gets into heaven, he isn't much of a God is he?

oh, boy.

 

[victoryword]

oh, boy.

My thoughts exactly.

This is the reason why I have to ask questions like this so I should know whether it is worth the time to engage a person in a debate on certain topics.

The answers tells me to just leave it lest I spark yet another Calvinism versus Arminianism debate.

 

[PastorJoey]

My thoughts exactly.

This is the reason why I have to ask questions like this so I should know whether it is worth the time to engage a person in a debate on certain topics.

The answers tells me to just leave it lest I spark yet another Calvinism versus Arminianism debate.

YOu know I never met a Calvinist who did not believe they were one of the chosen. No one has ever said, "Yes, I believe in Predestination and I am destined to burn in Hell". Sounds like Elitism to me.
PJ

 

[ILoveYeshua]

You know I never met a Calvinist who did not believe they were one of the chosen. No one has ever said, "Yes, I believe in Predestination and I am destined to burn in Hell". Sounds like Elitism to me.

I only believe I'm one of "the chosen" because I believe in Christ by choice.

 

[ILoveYeshua]

Still, no one has answered my question, if the death of Christ and also of the betrayer were predestined to happen as they did, why not every man?

 

[lismore]

Still, no one has answered my question, if the death of Christ and also of the betrayer were predestined to happen as they did, why not every man?

The death of Christ was predestined, but he also had to say 'not my will but your be done'. He had to work with God to achieve the purpose for him.

So do we.

 

[victoryword]

Still, no one has answered my question, if the death of Christ and also of the betrayer were predestined to happen as they did, why not every man?

Sorry, I have done the Calvinism debate for too many years and ain't in the mood for it today. Maybe tomorrow, but today, I just don't feel like it. Besides, your mind is already made up and no matter what nswer I give to your question, and no matter how many Scriptures I might show to support my case, you would never accept it.

Perhaps tomorrow.

 

[ILoveYeshua]

sorry you feel that way... *hugs* have a good nap tho!! =) i spose i dont know the arminian side too well. personally if you wanted me to put a finger on it, i'm both a calvinist and an arminian. if thats possible. but i dont know who armin or arminia is.

 

[PastorJoey]

but if God foreknew it, and he is sovereign, how could he not have predestined it? he predestined the exact circumstances surrounding Christ's death, including the time, and when that rooster would crow for Cephas, right? And he foreknew and predestined the exact time and method of the suicide of Judas Iscariot, so why not every person?

Could you just entertain the thought that God possibly did not predestined the rooster to crow, the death of Judas & the time of Christs death, but just simply told His prophets what He knew would happen?
Predestined doesnt mean predetermined anyway. There are people in Hell that were predestined to eternal life.
PJ

 

[ALBINO]

The Power of GOD "think about it" questions , debates all the Answers take it up with Almighty God ABBA FATHER seek these things. If your genuine about this subject certain things wiill be revealed. Love is the Key.
GODS AGAPE LOVE I believe is more powerful than any mistake you could ever make. Peace be with You All

 

[LittleRocketBoy]

He said with a long life I will satisfy him.

Psa 91:16 KJV
16 With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.


I will go when I am good and saved and satisfied.

Not a day sooner.
Anything less is the devil stealing, killing and destroying.

Accepting anything less is doubt and unbelief.

 

[LittleRocketBoy]

Some people think that God has appointed a specific time for each human being in the world to die. When "your number's up" then ya' gotta go. Here are some of the passages used to support this theological concept:

Hebrews 9:27-28 KJV
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: [28] So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Eccles. 7:16-17 KJV
Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself? [17] Be not over much wicked, neither be thou foolish: why shouldest thou die before thy time?

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Of course, I do NOT agree with how these passages are used (or "misused") to support the belief that God has a set time for each person in the whole wide world to die. Hebrews says NOTHING of the kind. Yet, Excclesiastes comes close.

What do you guys believe. Does God have a specific date and time with your death in mind?

Eccles is the diary of a fallen preacher. It is an object lesson in what happens when religion goes astray and men attempt to justify themselves rather than God. We see it all the time. Instead of saying "God is good and His mercy endures forever"... they say "whatever comes will be. Gawd is in control of everything..."
This is the set up leading to the anti christ system. Christians who "believe" that "Gawd is in control of everything... let Him have it"... will foolishly accept the anitchrist system and go along with it. They will just continue thier mindless chant "God is in control"
Assuming that everything that happens is a direct result of the will of God is the heresy that leads to the antichrist system. You do not have to believe anything to chant this mantra. You just have to accept everything that happens as the will of God and get in line with the rest of the doubters and unbelievers.
People who stand for nothing fall for anything.
You can take the mark on the hand or the forehead... take you pick.

 

[LittleRocketBoy]

yea i think that is predestined, cuz if God can't say who gets into heaven, he isn't much of a God is he?

So do you think that He will send the righteous to hell and drag the rebelleous kicking and screaming into the joys of heaven? According to your logic He can and still may. He is God is He not? Of course in doing so He would also have to send Himself to hell for being a liar and a murderer. But hey, He is God!
This mindless chatter astounds me. The devil is God, good is bad, up is down, black is white.
According to the logic of the mere theist... we do not need a gospel, a savior, or even faith. All we need is a God who can and will do anything He dern well pleases. Poor Jesus. Duped into dying a death for nothing. Paid the price for the salvation of the world that God can simply in His sovereign power ignore.
I am baffled at the mere theist mindset.
Antichrist here they come.
Easy Pickins.

 

[LittleRocketBoy]

i also think that although God deff. knows when we will die...i don't think he actually ordains a specific time for it....

Here is a saint with some wisdom.
Foreknowing does not mean foredoing.