Did God resurrect Moses and Elijah already?

[tonychanyt]

Personally, I believe that it was actually the men that were there, not "just" a vision. I don't think that Jesus would speak to a vision/holographic image.

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[Aaron112]

We don't know much, but we presume a lot.

Presumptions about the vision are not warranted nor supported by The Creator, Jesus, nor by Scripture.
It is perfect and better not to presume anything ever at all.
So then, how can "we" (that is, those who still follow calvin or arminism) ESCAPE so many presumptions they are stuck in believing ?

 

[Kokavkrystallos]

There were two Enoch's, one was the son of Cain & the other was the son of Jared. This leaves us with two bloodlines.

Thats good, and I feel Enoch the righteous was translated that he not see death. He may well be one of the 2 witnesses, while some say Moses will be with Elijah. Parts of Enoch are inspired, at least 1:9 and 9:5 along with the referrence to the Lord sitting on His throne of glory, because these are found nowhere else in the Old Testement, but are quoted in the New

 

[Apple Sky]

He may well be one of the 2 witnesses, while some say Moses will be with Elijah. Parts of Enoch are inspired,

I can't say for sure but I reckon it will be Moses, as the seven vials in Rev, are very similar to the ten plagues of Egypt in Exodus. Does this give us some indication ?

 

[Ted-01]

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That's an interesting rewording, truly. I appreciate your attention to detail, as always. I feel closer to understanding why folks, like yourself, believe the way you do! But I can't say that I'm swayed by it, lol.
I have to admit that I have always wondered about the glorification of Christ in those Scriptures... something tells me that His glorified self is going something a little bit more than being all "glowy" and whatever, haha.

I wonder what exactly do you mean by "representatives"?

I still believe that they were the "real deal".... can't say that they were flesh and blood and bone, but something real.
Spirit perhaps? IDK.
But I think that since they were interacting with Jesus, talking and whatnot... I'm still sticking to "it was them."

 

[tonychanyt]

I wonder what exactly do you mean by "representatives"?

Can you quote my words?

I still believe that they were the "real deal"

So do I

 

[Ted-01]

Can you quote my words?

They were real in that they were real representations (vision) of them; i.e., had God resurrected them, that would have been their real behaviors.

I figured that "representations" would be synonymous with "they were representatives" of the real deal... perhaps too much liberty?

 

[tonychanyt]

I figured that "representations" would be synonymous with "they were representatives" of the real deal... perhaps too much liberty?

They were real and exact representations.

 

[Aaron112]

"Visions (52 instances)

Source: 39 Bible verses about Visions And Dreams In Scripture"

 

[Ted-01]

They were real and exact representations.

As I woke up this morning, this chat of ours was on my mind and I felt closer, somehow, to understanding your point of view.

Help me to understand something though... in using the term representations, isn't that also implying that it wasn't actually them?

 

[tonychanyt]

Help me to understand something though... in using the term representations, isn't that also implying that it wasn't actually them?

Good question.

A representation is usually not the real thing. That's why I stressed real and exact representation; they were not your usual representations.

Oxford:

the act of presenting somebody/something in a particular way

with respect to a certain way, it could be real.

Hebrews 1:

3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

The Son is the exact representation but he sits at the right hand of the Father. In one sense, the Son is identified with the Father; in another, he is not.

Peter saw real representations of Moses and Elijah. In one sense, they were Moses and Elijah; in another, they were not. That's why they were presented in a vision. They did not walk out of the vision and went down the mountain to meet other folks.