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I showed you scripture saying that I was not born that way and I didn't ask to be that way, and the fact that God plonked me here in this world that tempts me to be that way means that I deserve to be saved.. and the same goes for anyone who calls upon His name for salvation! .. else, what kind of mercy is Genesis 6:8?No, you just posted other scripture. I showed you that we are like children of wrath. Please address that scripture and we will move on.
God's wrath wasn't satisfied by that though (1 Thessalonians 2:16).It says that Christ is the propitiation. God’s wrath was satisfied.
I think you have a certain song in mind that you are mistaking as being scripture .. but it is not scripture to say that "on that cross He died, God's wrath was satisfied" - it is a false doctrine. You would do well to inquire and learn.It says that Christ is the propitiation. God’s wrath was satisfied.
Once again, you didn’t address the scripture I posted.I showed you scripture saying that I was not born that way and I didn't ask to be that way, and the fact that God plonked me here in this world that tempts me to be that way means that I deserve to be saved.. and the same goes for anyone who calls upon His name for salvation! .. else, what kind of mercy is Genesis 6:8?
I'm not sure if you realise how irresponsible that is ("sloth" is a mortal sin). Please consider James 5:19-20, Mark 9:41, 1 John 3:17 and Ephesians 4:16.
You just aren't reading me at all.Once again, you didn’t address the scripture I posted.
Have a good day.
I agree with this, but you are not reading it right.I think where the irresponsibility comes in, is in rejecting the plain teaching of Scripture:
No, it is that you are wrong, and I have explained with much patience, but you are not interested to know, so you are stuck in your view, which is wrong. I do not reject scripture, I only read it for what it actually says and not for what someone has taught me to think it says.Isaiah 53:10
"Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand."
You said, and I quote: "No I do not support any doctrine that says "God wanted to crush Him".
Instead of humbly submitting to God and loving your brother saying "sorry, guess I was wrong on that point", rather you point the proverbial finger at me and charge me with being "sloth" for what, for not spending hours on a full response on an internet forum where these things are common, and in a thread 300+ responses in, which not many are likely to have the endurance or patience or desire to read anyway.
You have no right to make that judgement of me, and you have returned evil for good.Just face up to fact you were wrong and talk to God about it, do I need to say we are all prone to error? The difference is in being able to man up to them. I hope you will in private at least.
I don't know why He should. You are not doing any good service here.Lord have mercy.
God's wrath wasn't satisfied by Jesus' crucifixion, as the apostates teach. It was extinguished.
No it was Christ satisfying the wrath due us as children of wrath.It was the wrath of man that crucified Him, because they "hated the light and refused to go near it for fear their deeds would be exposed" (John 3:19-21).
Then you condemn Paul.Just to be clear: the false doctrines of Inherited Sin teach that children are spiritually condemned because of the sin of Adam.. but I reject that doctrine.
An out of context ad hominem is not an argument.To reject the fact that children are born pure and without sin, spiritually alive, is to condemn the innocent - and that is an inferior spirit that doesn't belong in Christianity, it is a perversion of justice and a root of all the lies that 2 Peter 2:2 "many follow their depraved conduct and bring the way of truth into disrepute".
The self appointed prophet message is a form of ad hominem as well.I did. You are not listening (We are from God; whoever knows God listens to us, but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error.).
That verse is not helping you.God's wrath wasn't satisfied by that though (1 Thessalonians 2:16).
Can you exegete Isaiah 53 please instead of just saying it doesn’t say what it actually says?I agree with this, but you are not reading it right.
No, it is that you are wrong, and I have explained with much patience, but you are not interested to know, so you are stuck in your view, which is wrong. I do not reject scripture, I only read it for what it actually says and not for what someone has taught me to think it says.
You have no right to make that judgement of me, and you have returned evil for good.
I don't know why He should. You are not doing any good service here.
How about you explain yourself for saying this?That verse is not helping you.
No, I don't condemn St. Paul, but rather I defend him. I am proclaiming that you are misreading Paul and twisting what he has said. Furthermore, you don't understand the wrath of God. That is why your speech is without grace, and you are not paying attention to what is being said, only wanting to dominate to win a debate.Then you condemn Paul.
That's ok to say, but it doesn't invalidate my point. You do not hear what I say because you have the spirit of error.The self appointed prophet message is a form of ad hominem as well.
It says that we will be saved from the wrath of God through Him: that is, just as John 3:36 says "the one who does not obey the son, the wrath of God abides on him".Romans 5:9 says it all.
No it wasn't, that is the devil's doctrine. God says "it is not wrath in me! .. who will confront me with thorns and briars in the day of battle? I would trample them altogether and set them on fire!" (Isaiah 27:4).No it was Christ satisfying the wrath due us as children of wrath.
Start at post #317 and let me know what more you need.Can you exegete Isaiah 53 please instead of just saying it doesn’t say what it actually says?
If they show that the false teaching that God predestined billions to hell, that is perpetuated by certain religious pretenders, they don't need to insert anything into the truth.Because the Scriptures are loaded with "religious labels"? From where or what are they based on? Gibberish eh? What a sound scholarly rebuttal, one only need to insert pejorative labels like "monster" and "gibberish" into their conversations to have confidence they are servants of the way, the truth, and the life.
Admitting you are wrong also helps.You should care. It helps with humility.
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