Did God order a chosen people to mass murder children?

[truthpls]

Some people preach and think that unsaved Israel today has some sort of right from God to commit crimes against God and humanity. My opinion is no they do not. Their having been chosen simply gives them an opportunity to accept Christ so that He can restore them to the promised land. He has set aside seven years in the end to get them to do exactly that. Meanwhile they have no more rights than other nations and peoples.

If anyone would like to debate the issue, let's see what you have to offer

 

[HTacianas]

Some people preach and think that unsaved Israel today has some sort of right from God to commit crimes against God and humanity. My opinion is no they do not. Their having been chosen simply gives them an opportunity to accept Christ so that He can restore them to the promised land. He has set aside seven years in the end to get them to do exactly that. Meanwhile they have no more rights than other nations and peoples.

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If anyone would like to debate the issue, let's see what you have to offer

Actually god told the Israelites to wage war against the Hittites, the Jebusites, etc. War meant the total destruction of every living soul. Oddly, it was the Christianization of the Western world that eventually led to more civilized forms of warfare.

But anyway, the Israelites have been cut off, see Romans 11:13-22. Cut off means cut off. But apart from that, Israel has the right to exist just as any other nation on earth has. They've had to defend themselves since the first day they were founded.

 

[truthpls]

Actually god told the Israelites to wage war against the Hittites, the Jebusites, etc. War meant the total destruction of every living soul. Oddly, it was the Christianization of the Western world that eventually led to more civilized forms of warfare.

But anyway, the Israelites have been cut off, see Romans 11:13-22. Cut off means cut off. But apart from that, Israel has the right to exist just as any other nation on earth has. They've had to defend themselves since the first day they were founded.

What God told believers to do has zero relation to what unbelievers do or not. Nations have the right to exist, but not to mass murder people.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

What God told believers to do has zero relation to what unbelievers do or not. Nations have the right to exist, but not to mass murder people.

Why don't you mention what Hamas did and what Iran and its terror proxies continue to do? Does not fit your narrative?

 

[truthpls]

Why don't you mention what Hamas did and what Iran and its terror proxies continue to do? Does not fit your narrative?

What other people do is not an excuse. Being attacked does not make one God's chosen. So the mass murder of children and women and civilians cannot be blamed on God. It is not even believers that do it. Why they claim to do it does not matter. Get over it

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Why they claim to do it does not matter. Get over it

Get over it? Hamas killed 100s of innocent Israeli woman and children and took hostages and you say get over it? Your antisemitism is showing...

 

[truthpls]

Get over it? Hamas killed 100s of innocent Israeli woman and children and took hostages and you say get over it? Your antisemitism is showing...

Many were killed yes ( and some say Israel was responsible for some of that as well) and that was terrorism. In no way does that make Israel the chosen and have a free pass for doing even worse. The thread topic is about being the chosen if you recall. Israel is not saved or believing right now. The insane terrorism and killing of children we have seen from Israel has no connection to God. He loves the children. The whole world is revolted and disgusted by such evil. My point is that no one can blame it on God. You cannot use God as an excuse. They are simply unbelievers doing wicked things.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Many were killed yes ( and some say Israel was responsible for some of that as well) and that was terrorism. In no way does that make Israel the chosen and have a free pass for doing even worse.The insane terrorism and killing of children we have seen from Israel has no connection to God. He loves the children. The whole world is revolted and disgusted by such evil. My point is that no one can blame it on God. You cannot use God as an excuse. They are simply unbelievers doing wicked things.

Was Hamas responsible? When they scream "Allah Akbar" before they kill, is that of God?

 

[truthpls]

Was Hamas responsible? When they scream "Allah Akbar" before they kill, is that of God?

Do not divert the issue and responsibility. The issue is whether Israel today as unbelievers is to be considered any more special that other nations. The answer is no. Regardless of what terrorists chant before they kill people. Pot, meet kettle. Terrorism is terrorism is terrorism. The thread is asking is the terrorism of Israel is something we should overlook because some think they are 'chosen' or special.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Do not divert the issue and responsibility.

I am not diverting, you are. Is Hamas responsible? You seem to only want to blame Israel for protecting and defending themselves. It has nothing to do with anything else. Do you agree that Israel has a right to exist?

 

[truthpls]

I am not diverting, you are.

So you are addressing the topic of Israel being chosen by God how? Ha

Is Hamas responsible?

Is Popeye responsible? Hitler? Batman? The ones responsible for killing civilians in Gaza today are Israel. So, are you claiming God made em do it?

You seem to only want to blame Israel for protecting and defending themselves.

You seem to pretend mass murder of unarmed children is defending yourself. Give it up.

It has nothing to do with anything else. Do you agree that Israel has a right to exist?

Why would any nation (even one who stole the land to become a nation) not have a right to exist? The question is exist as what? As equal citizens in a land where they have a vote? As terrorists? As...? Do the people kicked out have a right to come back and exist also?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

So you are addressing the topic of Israel being chosen by God how? Ha

Is Popeye responsible? Hitler? Batman? The ones responsible for killing civilians in Gaza today are Israel. So, are you claiming God made em do it?

You seem to pretend mass murder of unarmed children is defending yourself. Give it up.

Why would any nation (even one who stole the land to become a nation) not have a right to exist? The question is exist as what? As equal citizens in a land where they have a vote? As terrorists? As...? Do the people kicked out have a right to come back and exist also?

I am not claiming anything. I am asking YOU questions you do not honestly want to answer. AHHHH...there it is...antisemitic revision of history. Israel stole nothing. People kicked out? That was THEIR choice, stay in Israel and become citizens or go to other Arab Nations (who will not accept them). Ask yourself how many Jews live in Gaza and the West bank and then how many Arabs live in Israel...

 

[truthpls]

I am not claiming anything. I am asking YOU questions you do not honestly want to answer

Then make them topical. If you need a hint try making them relate to the issue of whether Israel is chosen by God in a way that means their crimes are condoned or sanctioned by Him.

. AHHHH...there it is...antisemitic revision of history. Israel stole nothing.

No? So the 750 thousand who fled donated their homes and groves and lands? I see.

People kicked out? That was THEIR choice, stay in Israel and become citizens or go to other Arab Nations (who will not accept them).

Yes, booted out to later live as a giant outdoor prison/ You think God ordered that? He is a thief?

Ask yourself how many Jews live in Gaza and the West bank and then how many Arabs live in Israel...

Now? Or before the arabs were not allowed to return but the endless flood of Jewish immigrants began in earnest? The thread is not about whether things happened, but about whether the crimes against God and humanity should be considered as just and ordered by God? No wonder you avoid the topic!

 

[Chris35]

25I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26and in this way e all Israel will be saved

28As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now h receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you

Yes, Israel is still and will always be Gods chosen people.

No God did not tell then to do it, they have experienced a hardening. They are enemies to the gospel, they do not do Gods will.

However, after the full number of the gentiles, Israel will be restored to God.

 

[Chris35]

Why don't you mention what Hamas did and what Iran and its terror proxies continue to do? Does not fit your narrative?

Yes, what hamas did was very very wrong.

Why didnt Israel instead turn to fasting, weeping and praying to God, and let God step in rather then seek out their own vengance. Like in the book of esther.


And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” Then he knelt down and cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not charge them with this sin.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

Stephen was stoned and asked God to forgive them, not sought out vengeance.


Then Jesus said, ‘Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing.’ And they cast lots to divide his clothing

Jesus asked for forgivness rather then vengeance of justice.

Who knows what God would of done if Israel had turned to him, but they turned to their military. Which is the wordly way of doing things.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Then make them topical. If you need a hint try making them relate to the issue of whether Israel is chosen by God in a way that means their crimes are condoned or sanctioned by Him.

No? So the 750 thousand who fled donated their homes and groves and lands? I see.

Yes, booted out to later live as a giant outdoor prison/ You think God ordered that? He is a thief?

Now? Or before the arabs were not allowed to return but the endless flood of Jewish immigrants began in earnest? The thread is not about whether things happened, but about whether the crimes against God and humanity should be considered as just and ordered by God? No wonder you avoid the topic!

You need to learn about the actual history of the region instead of drinking the cool-aid. The facts are that Gazans voted Hamas, a terrorist organization, to power and the attacked Israel, killing innocent woman and children and took hostages. Israel has the right to defend and protect its citizens. Hamas steals money to build terror tunnels and to buy missiles to shoot at Israel while their own people suffer. These are the facts...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Yes, what hamas did was very very wrong.

Very wrong? That is an understatement. Was 9/11 "very wrong"? Should we have done nothing? Terror needs to be stopped or it will continue and more innocent people will die.

 

[Chris35]

Very wrong? That is an understatement. Was 9/11 "very wrong"? Should we have done nothing? Terror needs to be stopped or it will continue and more innocent people will die

Yes 9/11 was wrong, but again the way america acted was wrong as well, its not Gods will for us to defend ourself but turn to him.

Terror will never be stopped with more terror. Only when the world turns to God, can it be saved, which we know will not happen.

I could argue that none of us have the right to exist, life is a gift given from God, not a right, none of us earned the right to have life. It is also not our right to take life in order to hold onto our life.

o]But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

 

[truthpls]

You need to learn about the actual history of the region instead of drinking the cool-aid. The facts are that Gazans voted Hamas, a terrorist organization, to power and the attacked Israel, killing innocent woman and children and took hostages. Israel has the right to defend and protect its citizens. Hamas steals money to build terror tunnels and to buy missiles to shoot at Israel while their own people suffer. These are the facts...

No. I disagree with your so called facts. But do you think Israel is a chosen people with some right from God to kill they neighbor?

 

[Chris35]

See how the cycle ends? Not when we repay violence with violence but when we pray for our enemies, when we forgive and pray for them to know God. When they become brothers and sisters, when they learn to love others. Not before.