Did God give Miller a false message on purpose?

[Sophia7]

Free,

Ellen White was used by God to deliver a special end time message.

The holy spirit who works through Ellen White is infallible.

You are a former. Stop misrepresenting our position.

Let's try this again...

Your beliefs clearly says the Bible is the final authority right after it clearly says "her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction."

• Is she or is she not the infallible interpreter of Scripture for the SDA church?
• Do you interpret the Bible any differently than she did?
• If you do does that make her interpretation wrong?
• If you do not (or cannot) then she does hold the position of being the infallible interpreter of Scripture

In CHRIST alone...

What do these quotes from official denominational publications tell us?

Seventh-day Adventists are uniquely fortunate in approaching the question of the inspiration of the prophets. We are not left to find our way, drawing all our conclusions from writings of two thousand years and more ago that have come down to us through varied transcriptions and translations. With us it is an almost contemporary matter, for we have had a prophet in our midst. It is generally granted by the careful student of her works that the experience of Ellen G. White was not different from that of the prophets of old, and that the Spirit of God in His prophetic mission did not function differently in the experience of Ellen G. White from the way He functioned in the experience of the Bible prophets.

What is more, rather than having in our possession only relatively few chapters or a handful of letters, as is the case with the extant records of the Bible prophets, we have the full range of Ellen G. White writings penned through a period of seventy years, embodying her published books, her 4,600 periodical articles, her manuscripts, letters, diaries, and so on. We have also the testimony of her contemporaries, presenting the eyewitness accounts of those who lived and worked closely with her and were well able to judge her work. Both she and they discussed many points touching on the manner in which the light was imparted to her, and how she in turn conveyed the messages to those for whom they were intended—in other words, the operation of inspiration. Further, she wrote in the English language, so we are not confronted with problems of translation and only rarely with those of transcription. (Arthur L. White, The Ellen G. White Writings, chapter 1, "Toward a Factual Concept of Inspriration," pages 15-16.)
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The historic sanctuary message, based on Scripture and supported by the writings of Ellen White, continues to be held to unequivocally. And the inspired authorities on which these and other doctrines are based, namely the Bible supported by the writings of Ellen White, continue to be the hermeneutical foundation on which we as a church place all matters of faith and conduct. Let no one think that there has been a change of position in regard to this. (Jan Paulsen, "The Theological Landscape," 2002, http://www.adventistreview.org/2002-1524/story3.html)
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The Bible is an infallible guide but it needs to be infallibly interpreted, to avoid confusion and division. When will the people of God cease trusting in their own wisdom? When will they come to the place where they will cease to measure, construe, and interpret by their own reason what God says to them through His appointed channel? When we come to the place where we place no trust in man or in the wisdom of man, but unquestionably accept and act upon what God says through this gift, then will the spirit of prophecy as set before us in the Bible and confirmed among us become in fact a counselor, guide and final court of appeal among God's people. (Roderick S. Owen, "The Source of Final Appeal," Adventist Review, June 3, 1971, page 6.)
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The Spirit of Prophecy is the only infallible interpreter of Bible principles, since it is Christ through this agency giving the real meaning of his own words. (G. A. Irwin, "The Mark of the Beast," page 3, quoted here)
________________________________________________

Although all the instruction given to the church through Ellen White does not apply to every individual in exactly the same way, there is in all of it the same kind of universal guidance that one finds in the Bible. Every portion may be read with profit today. Not every phase of Bible instruction is pertinent in our present situation. For example, detailed instruction was given for the presentation of sacrifices at the tabernacle and temple, but the sacrificial system ended when the Lamb of God was offered. We do not bring lambs, goats, and bullocks to the altar today, but every Seventh-day Adventist recognizes the spiritual value of a study of the ancient system of offerings. Paul puts it this way: “Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.” 1 Corinthians 10:11. “For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope.” Romans 15:4.

A careful consideration of all the factors involved leads to the conclusion that on the same basis that Paul stated, “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,” all the instruction given through Ellen White is profitable for the remnant church today. (T. Housel Jemison, A Prophet Among You, chapter 21, "Ellen G. White's Writings Today")
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[mva1985]

Yet Ellen White is the infallible interpreter of the Bible for the SDA church.

In CHRIST alone...

Free,

If you search the Scripture index on EGW's writings you will find that not all verses are addressed by her. I guess we are left in the dark. Not really......

 

[OntheDL]

Let's try this again...

Your beliefs clearly says the Bible is the final authority right after it clearly says "her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction."

• Is she or is she not the infallible interpreter of Scripture for the SDA church?

Not she is not. The Holy spirit who gave her the testimony is.

Do you interpret the Bible any differently than she did?

I don't know how she interpreted. As in her testimonies, she never once said something was her own opinion that we have to believe in. She said the things she wrote were shown to her by the Lord.

If you do does that make her interpretation wrong?

Again, she never claimed to make her own interpretations.

If you do not (or cannot) then she does hold the position of being the infallible interpreter of Scripture
In CHRIST alone...

I have said it before, I'll say it again. Ellen White was a nice woman. I do have high regards for her. But it stops there. My salvation comes from Christ, not from Ellen White. The spirit of prophecy is the testimony of Jesus. Those who rejects the testimonies reject Jesus Christ Himself. Now you are entitled not to believe her testimonies came from God. But allow me to clarify our position on this.

 

[OntheDL]

What do these quotes from official denominational publications tell us?

Seventh-day Adventists are uniquely fortunate in approaching the question of the inspiration of the prophets. We are not left to find our way, drawing all our conclusions from writings of two thousand years and more ago that have come down to us through varied transcriptions and translations. With us it is an almost contemporary matter, for we have had a prophet in our midst. It is generally granted by the careful student of her works that the experience of Ellen G. White was not different from that of the prophets of old, and that the Spirit of God in His prophetic mission did not function differently in the experience of Ellen G. White from the way He functioned in the experience of the Bible prophets.

What is more, rather than having in our possession only relatively few chapters or a handful of letters, as is the case with the extant records of the Bible prophets, we have the full range of Ellen G. White writings penned through a period of seventy years, embodying her published books, her 4,600 periodical articles, her manuscripts, letters, diaries, and so on. We have also the testimony of her contemporaries, presenting the eyewitness accounts of those who lived and worked closely with her and were well able to judge her work. Both she and they discussed many points touching on the manner in which the light was imparted to her, and how she in turn conveyed the messages to those for whom they were intended—in other words, the operation of inspiration. Further, she wrote in the English language, so we are not confronted with problems of translation and only rarely with those of transcription. (Arthur L. White, The Ellen G. White Writings, chapter 1, "Toward a Factual Concept of Inspriration," pages 15-16.)
________________________________________________

The historic sanctuary message, based on Scripture and supported by the writings of Ellen White, continues to be held to unequivocally. And the inspired authorities on which these and other doctrines are based, namely the Bible supported by the writings of Ellen White, continue to be the hermeneutical foundation on which we as a church place all matters of faith and conduct. Let no one think that there has been a change of position in regard to this. (Jan Paulsen, "The Theological Landscape," 2002, http://www.adventistreview.org/2002-1524/story3.html)
________________________________________________
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The Bible is an infallible guide but it needs to be infallibly interpreted, to avoid confusion and division. When will the people of God cease trusting in their own wisdom? When will they come to the place where they will cease to measure, construe, and interpret by their own reason what God says to them through His appointed channel? When we come to the place where we place no trust in man or in the wisdom of man, but unquestionably accept and act upon what God says through this gift, then will the spirit of prophecy as set before us in the Bible and confirmed among us become in fact a counselor, guide and final court of appeal among God's people. (Roderick S. Owen, "The Source of Final Appeal," Adventist Review, June 3, 1971, page 6.)
________________________________________________
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The Spirit of Prophecy is the only infallible interpreter of Bible principles, since it is Christ through this agency giving the real meaning of his own words. (G. A. Irwin, "The Mark of the Beast," page 3, quoted here)
________________________________________________

Although all the instruction given to the church through Ellen White does not apply to every individual in exactly the same way, there is in all of it the same kind of universal guidance that one finds in the Bible. Every portion may be read with profit today. Not every phase of Bible instruction is pertinent in our present situation. For example, detailed instruction was given for the presentation of sacrifices at the tabernacle and temple, but the sacrificial system ended when the Lamb of God was offered. We do not bring lambs, goats, and bullocks to the altar today, but every Seventh-day Adventist recognizes the spiritual value of a study of the ancient system of offerings. Paul puts it this way: “Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.” 1 Corinthians 10:11. “For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope.” Romans 15:4.

A careful consideration of all the factors involved leads to the conclusion that on the same basis that Paul stated, “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,” all the instruction given through Ellen White is profitable for the remnant church today. (T. Housel Jemison, A Prophet Among You, chapter 21, "Ellen G. White's Writings Today")
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Revelation 19:10 ...for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

I don't force anyone to accept Ellen White as a prophet. But let there be no mistake as whom we accept as the final authority: Ellen White or Jesus Christ who gave the testimony.

 

[Sophia7]

From our past theological discussions before you both renounced Adventism, you never truly understood it.

It's interesting that no one ever said that to me while I was defending Adventist beliefs in GT but only after I started questioning those beliefs.

 

[Sophia7]

The spirit of prophecy is the testimony of Jesus. Those who rejects the testimonies reject Jesus Christ Himself.

Revelation 19:10 ...for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

I don't force anyone to accept Ellen White as a prophet. But let there be no mistake as whom we accept as the final authority: Ellen White or Jesus Christ who gave the testimony.

Please give evidence to prove that the Bible refers to the writings of Ellen White in Revelation 19:10.

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

I have said it before, I'll say it again. Ellen White was a nice woman. I do have high regards for her. But it stops there. My salvation comes from Christ, not from Ellen White. The spirit of prophecy is the testimony of Jesus. Those who rejects the testimonies reject Jesus Christ Himself. Now you are entitled not to believe her testimonies came from God. But allow me to clarify our position on this.

Notice he did not say Testimony of Jesus, he said testimonies as is the frequently used Ellen White term of her writings. So he has just said that salvation comes from Christ. Not Ellen White but if one rejects Ellen Whites Testimonies they reject Christ.

I suppose that is helpful to know that Ellen can't save us but if we reject her we are doomed.

Thank God there are Adventists that don't believe this kind of cognitive dissonance.

 

[OntheDL]

It's interesting that no one ever said that to me while I was defending Adventist beliefs in GT but only after I started questioning those beliefs.

I wasn't here before 2006. I haven't seen any of yours or tall's defense in GT. What are you referring to? on hell and the immortal soul? I vaguely remembers some discussions you or tall might have participated in GT.

Adventism isn't defined by the doctrines on sabbath, hell, immortal soul...The core of Adventism is the sanctuary message. As far as I can remember, stretching back to 2006, you and tall had always disagreed with the historic belief of the sanctuary message.

In one instance, Tall didnt know if we historic belief endorsed the inauguration view or not.

 

[OntheDL]

Notice he did not say Testimony of Jesus, he said testimonies as is the frequently used Ellen White term of her writings. So he has just said that salvation comes from Christ. Not Ellen White but if one rejects Ellen Whites Testimonies they reject Christ.

I suppose that is helpful to know that Ellen can't save us but if we reject her we are doomed.

Thank God there are Adventists that don't believe this kind of cognitive dissonance.

I know you reject the notion that EGW was a prophet. But IF you are wrong, who do you in reality reject? EGW or Christ who gave her the message?

 

[Sophia7]

I wasn't here before 2006. I haven't seen any of yours or tall's defense in GT. What are you referring to? on hell and the immortal soul? I vaguely remembers some discussions you or tall might have participated in GT.

Adventism isn't defined by the doctrines on sabbath, hell, immortal soul...The core of Adventism is the sanctuary message. As far as I can remember, stretching back to 2006, you and tall had always disagreed with the historic belief of the sanctuary message.

In one instance, Tall didnt know if we historic belief endorsed the inauguration view or not.

No, I didn't always disagree with the sanctuary message. You were not here before I started having questions on it, so please don't make judgments like that when you know nothing about what I believed previously.

 

[Sophia7]

I know you reject the notion that EGW was a prophet. But IF you are wrong, who do you in reality reject? EGW or Christ who gave her the message?

What if he is right?

 

[Sophia7]

In one instance, Tall didnt know if we historic belief endorsed the inauguration view or not.

Tell me, DL, does the historic belief endorse the old view or the new view of the "daily"?

 

[Pythons]

I know you reject the notion that EGW was a prophet. But IF you are wrong, who do you in reality reject? EGW or Christ who gave her the message?

Just figured it out;

"He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despieseth me; and he that despieseth me despieseth the one who sent me". Luke 10,16 / you reject Ellen, you reject Michael the angel and if you reject Michael the angel you reject God the Father = bad news.

This is Catholic reasoning, only in Ellen's case she was approx 1800 years too late. I can assure you that this is what it is.

 

[Sophia7]

Free,

Ellen White was used by God to deliver a special end time message.

The holy spirit who works through Ellen White is infallible.

You are a former. Stop misrepresenting our position.

What do these quotes from official denominational publications tell us?

Seventh-day Adventists are uniquely fortunate in approaching the question of the inspiration of the prophets. We are not left to find our way, drawing all our conclusions from writings of two thousand years and more ago that have come down to us through varied transcriptions and translations. With us it is an almost contemporary matter, for we have had a prophet in our midst. It is generally granted by the careful student of her works that the experience of Ellen G. White was not different from that of the prophets of old, and that the Spirit of God in His prophetic mission did not function differently in the experience of Ellen G. White from the way He functioned in the experience of the Bible prophets.

What is more, rather than having in our possession only relatively few chapters or a handful of letters, as is the case with the extant records of the Bible prophets, we have the full range of Ellen G. White writings penned through a period of seventy years, embodying her published books, her 4,600 periodical articles, her manuscripts, letters, diaries, and so on. We have also the testimony of her contemporaries, presenting the eyewitness accounts of those who lived and worked closely with her and were well able to judge her work. Both she and they discussed many points touching on the manner in which the light was imparted to her, and how she in turn conveyed the messages to those for whom they were intended—in other words, the operation of inspiration. Further, she wrote in the English language, so we are not confronted with problems of translation and only rarely with those of transcription. (Arthur L. White, The Ellen G. White Writings, chapter 1, "Toward a Factual Concept of Inspriration," pages 15-16.)
________________________________________________

The historic sanctuary message, based on Scripture and supported by the writings of Ellen White, continues to be held to unequivocally. And the inspired authorities on which these and other doctrines are based, namely the Bible supported by the writings of Ellen White, continue to be the hermeneutical foundation on which we as a church place all matters of faith and conduct. Let no one think that there has been a change of position in regard to this. (Jan Paulsen, "The Theological Landscape," 2002, http://www.adventistreview.org/2002-1524/story3.html)
________________________________________________
​

The Bible is an infallible guide but it needs to be infallibly interpreted, to avoid confusion and division. When will the people of God cease trusting in their own wisdom? When will they come to the place where they will cease to measure, construe, and interpret by their own reason what God says to them through His appointed channel? When we come to the place where we place no trust in man or in the wisdom of man, but unquestionably accept and act upon what God says through this gift, then will the spirit of prophecy as set before us in the Bible and confirmed among us become in fact a counselor, guide and final court of appeal among God's people. (Roderick S. Owen, "The Source of Final Appeal," Adventist Review, June 3, 1971, page 6.)
________________________________________________
​

The Spirit of Prophecy is the only infallible interpreter of Bible principles, since it is Christ through this agency giving the real meaning of his own words. (G. A. Irwin, "The Mark of the Beast," page 3, quoted here)
________________________________________________

Although all the instruction given to the church through Ellen White does not apply to every individual in exactly the same way, there is in all of it the same kind of universal guidance that one finds in the Bible. Every portion may be read with profit today. Not every phase of Bible instruction is pertinent in our present situation. For example, detailed instruction was given for the presentation of sacrifices at the tabernacle and temple, but the sacrificial system ended when the Lamb of God was offered. We do not bring lambs, goats, and bullocks to the altar today, but every Seventh-day Adventist recognizes the spiritual value of a study of the ancient system of offerings. Paul puts it this way: “Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.” 1 Corinthians 10:11. “For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope.” Romans 15:4.

A careful consideration of all the factors involved leads to the conclusion that on the same basis that Paul stated, “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,” all the instruction given through Ellen White is profitable for the remnant church today. (T. Housel Jemison, A Prophet Among You, chapter 21, "Ellen G. White's Writings Today")
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Revelation 19:10 ...for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

I don't force anyone to accept Ellen White as a prophet. But let there be no mistake as whom we accept as the final authority: Ellen White or Jesus Christ who gave the testimony.

You didn't address the reason that I posted those quotes. Freeindeed wasn't misrepresenting Adventism. Those quotes from denominational publications say, among other things, that EGW was an "infallible interpreter" of the Bible (in fact, the only infallible interpreter), that Adventist doctrines are based on "the Bible supported by the writings of Ellen White," and that "His appointed channel" should be unquestionably accepted and acted upon.

 

[OntheDL]

Please give evidence to prove that the Bible refers to the writings of Ellen White in Revelation 19:10.

I don't think you are asking me to find the reference of Ellen White in the Bible, correct?

Here I provided some quotes from Ellen White, not for anyone's amusement, but rather you can finally let us define who we are ourselves.

Evidently, if her writings are not from God, the doubters and unbelievers need not to manifest their hatred. They alone will fail the test of time. But if they are from God, they will stand the test to the end.


“God is either teaching His church, reproving their wrongs and strengthening their faith, or He is not. This work is of God, or it is not. God does nothing in partnership with Satan. My work bears the stamp of God or the stamp of the enemy. There is no halfway work in the matter.”—5 Testimonies, 671.

“A wealth of moral influence has been brought to us in the last half century. Through His Holy Spirit the voice of God has come to us continually in warning and instruction, to confirm the faith of the believers in the Spirit of prophecy. Repeatedly the word has one, Write the things that I have given you to confirm the faith of My people in the position they have taken. Time and trial have not made void the instruction given, but through years of suffer-ing and self-sacrifice have established the truth of the testimony given. The instruction that was given in the early days of the message is to be held as safe instruction to follow in these its closing days. Those who are indifferent to this light and instruction must not expect to escape the snares which we have been plainly told will cause the rejecters of light to stumble, and fall, and be snared, and be taken. If we study carefully the second chapter of Hebrews, we shall learn how important it is that we hold steadfastly to every principle of truth that has been given.”—1 Selected Messages, 41.

“Satan is . . constantly pressing in the spurious—to lead away from the truth. The very last deception of Satan will be to make of none effect the testimony of the Spirit of God. ‘Where there is no vision, the people perish’ (Prov. 29:18). Satan will work ingeniously, in different ways and through different agencies, to unsettle the confidence of God’s remnant people in the true testimony.”—1 Selected Messages, 48

“Some express their views that the testimony of Sister White cannot be reliable. This is all that many unconsecrated ones want. The testimonies of reproof have checked their vanity and pride; but if they dared, they would go to almost any length in fashion and pride. God will give all such an opportunity to prove themselves and to develop their true characters.”—5 Testimonies, 673.

The Testimonies of His Spirit call your attention to the Scriptures, point out your defects of character, and rebuke your sins; therefore you do not heed them. And to justify your carnal, ease-loving course you begin to doubt whether the Testimonies are from God. If you would obey their teachings you would be assured of their divine origin. Remember, your unbelief does not affect their truthfulness. If they are from God they will stand.”—5 Testimonies, 234.

“I have been shown that unbelief in the testimonies of warning, encouragement, and reproof is shutting away the light from God’s people. Unbelief is closing their eyes so that they are ignorant of their true condition.”—5 Testimonies, 674.

“Many who have backslidden from the truth assign as a reason for their course that they do not have faith in the Testimonies . . The question now is: Will they yield their idol which God condemns, or will they continue in their wrong course of indulgence and reject the light God has given them reproving the very things in which they delight? The question to be settled with them is: Shall I deny myself and receive as of God the Testimonies which reprove my sins, or shall I reject the Testimonies because they reprove my sins?”—4 Testimonies, 31-32.

“Satan has ability to suggest doubts and to devise objections to the pointed testimony that God sends, and many think it a virtue, a mark of intelligence in them, to be unbelieving and to question and quibble. Those who desire to doubt will have plenty of room. God does not propose to remove all occasion for unbelief. He gives evidence, which must be carefully investigated with a humble mind and a teachable spirit, and all should decide from the weight of evidence.”—3 Testimonies, 255.

“Soon every possible effort will be made to discount and pervert the truth of the testimonies of God’s Spirit. We must have in readiness the clear, straight messages that since 1846 have been coming to God’s people. ”—1 Selected Messages, 41.

“Let none entertain the thought that I regret or take back any plain testimony I have borne to individuals or to the people. If I have erred anywhere, it is in not rebuking sin more decidedly and firmly. Some of the brethren have taken the responsibility of criticizing my work and proposing an easier way to correct wrongs. To these persons I would say: I take God’s way and not yours. What I have said or written in testimony or reproof has not been too plainly expressed . .“Those who would in any way lessen the force of the sharp reproofs which God has given me to speak must meet their work at the judgment . . To those who have taken the responsibility to reprove me and, in their finite judgment, to propose a way which appears wiser to them I repeat: I do not accept your efforts. Leave me with God, and let Him teach me. I will take the words from the Lord and speak them to the people. I do not expect that all will accept the reproof and reform their lives, but I must discharge my duty all the same. I will walk in humility before God, doing my work for time and for eternity.”—5 Testimonies, 19-20.

“If God has given me a message to bear to His people, those who would hinder me in the work and lessen the faith of the people in its truth are not fighting against the instrument, but against God.”—5 Testimonies, 680.

“There are some in these last days who will cry: ‘Speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits.’ But this is not my work. God has set me as a reprover of His people; and just so surely as He has laid upon me the heavy burden, He will make those to whom this message is given responsible for the manner in which they treat it. God will not be trifled with, and those who despise His work will receive according to their deeds.”—4 Testimonies, 231-232.

“Let ministers and people remember that gospel truth ruins when it does not save. ‘The soul that refuses to listen to the invitations of mercy from day to day can soon listen to the most urgent appeals without an emotion stirring his soul. As laborers with God we need more fervent piety and less self-exaltation. The more self is exalted, the more will faith in the Testimonies of the Spirit of God be lessened . . Those who trust wholly in themselves will see less and less of God in the Testimonies of His Spirit.’ ”—5 Testimonies, 134.

“God has given sufficient evidence, so that all who desire to do so may satisfy themselves as to the character of the Testimonies; and, having acknowledged them to be from God, it is their duty to accept reproof, even though they do not themselves see the sinfulness of their course. If they fully realized their condition, what would be the need of reproof? Because they know it not, God mercifully sets it before them, so that they may repent and reform before it shall be too late. Those who despise the warning will be left in blindness to become self-deceived; but those who heed it, and zealously go about the work of separating their sins from them in order to have the needed graces, will be opening the door of their hearts that the dear Saviour may come in and dwell with them. Those who are most closely connected with God are the ones who know His voice when He speaks to them. Those who are spiritual discern spiritual things. Such will feel grateful that the Lord has pointed out their errors.”— 5 Testimonies, 682-583.

“There will be a hatred kindled against the testimonies which is satanic. The workings of Satan will be to unsettle the faith of the churches in them, for this reason: Satan cannot have so clear a track to bring in his deceptions and bind up souls in his delusions if the warnings and reproofs and counsels of the Spirit of God are heeded.”—1 Selected Messages, 48.

“When you find men questioning the testimonies, finding fault with them, and seeking to draw away the people from their influence, be assured that God is not at work through them. It is another spirit. Doubt and unbelief are cherished by those who do not walk circumspectly. They have a painful consciousness that their life will not abide the test of the Spirit of God, whether speaking through His Word or through the testimonies of His Spirit that would bring them to His Word. Instead of beginning with their own hearts, and coming into harmony with the pure principles of the gospel, they find fault, and condemn the very means that God has chosen to fit up a people to stand in the day of the Lord.”—1 Selected Messages, 45.

“Abundant light has been given to our people in these last days. Whether or not my life is spared, my writings will constantly speak, and their work will go forward as long as time shall last. My writings are kept on file in the office, and even though I should not live, these words that have been given to me by the Lord will still have life and will speak to the people.”—1 Selected Messages, 55.

 

[Sophia7]

Just figured it out;

"He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despieseth me; and he that despieseth me despieseth the one who sent me". Luke 10,16 / you reject Ellen, you reject Michael the angel and if you reject Michael the angel you reject God the Father = bad news.

This is Catholic reasoning, only in Ellen's case she was approx 1800 years too late. I can assure you that this is what it is.

Interesting. Compare these two quotes:

God who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; (Hebrews 1:1-2, KJV)
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In ancient times God spoke to men by the mouth of prophets and apostles. In these days he speaks to them by the testimonies of his Spirit. There was never a time when God more earnestly instructed his people concerning his will, and the course that he would have them pursue, than now. But will they profit by his teachings? will they receive his reproofs and heed the warnings? God will accept of no partial obedience; he will sanction no compromise with self. {RH, June 9, 1885 par. 10}
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[RC_NewProtestants]

I know you reject the notion that EGW was a prophet. But IF you are wrong, who do you in reality reject? EGW or Christ who gave her the message?

Not particularly relevant as the same could be said of anyone who claimed to be a prophet or anyone that said they had a message from God. The New Testament instruction is to test everything and to hold on to what is good and discard the rest. It was never "well what if you reject what some person claims is the source of their message you are rejecting God Himself". Of course such a statement would be meaningless for it is what people say that matters not what they claim as their source for what they say. The Bible makes it plain there are false teachers and false prophets and it would not be wise to resort to "What if " to distinguish truth from error. Truth mixed with error is so common that we have to think and study rather then play senseless games of "what if" with the assumption that God plays gotcha.

 

[OntheDL]

No, I didn't always disagree with the sanctuary message. You were not here before I started having questions on it, so please don't make judgments like that when you know nothing about what I believed previously.

No I don't know what you believed before. But I know your knowledge on the subject of the sanctuary. That shows you haven't been exposed to our historic believes.

 

[OntheDL]

What if he is right?

What if he is right that the testimonies are not from God? Then he has nothing to worry about. The testimonies won't stand the test of time. So far they are still here, right?

 

[Pythons]

Catholicism says;

Prior to the Resurrection Judaism was the "only" true religion and subsequent to the Resurrection of Jesus, Christianity "is" the only true religion.

Jesus commissioned the Apostles to preach the Gospel and make diciple's of all nations. As quesitons rose as to what was to be believed or practiced the Church authoritatively laid down the law (Acts 15). Because the Church is united with the Holy Spirit when the Church speaks on matters of Faith or Morals it's in reality the Holy Spirit speaking through it.

Ellen has attempted to tie into this Catholic teaching that Biblically instructs believers to accept what Church authority tells them. Ellen claims she had been given 'special' instruction as to correct Dogma, thus confirming the correct Dogma.

I'm telling you from a Catholic perspective this is exactly what she did.