Did God Fail?

[nubs]

You haven't understood what I meant to say. What you failed to observe is that in Christianity it is Jesus who identifies our greatest sin. Anyone can choose to believe what someone else says is good and bad and live according to an established law, that's not my point. The point is that Jesus says "this is your greatest sin, you must repent from that if you want to follow me", and that sin is going to be different for each of us. For the rich man, it was to sell his possessions, for the adulteress it was to quit adultery, for me it was to quit masturbating. All other sins will be dealt with in good time, and they do not require sacrifice but willingness.

As for your comment of Islamic jihad is quite the opposite to Christian sacrifice. Muslim martyrs sacrifice their life willingly and against the will of non-believers, whereas Christian martyrs sacrifice their life under persecution.

I have not seen anywhere in the Bible that says you're not allowed to touch. "Sexual immorality" is so wide open. Personally I think it has to do with rape.

Back on Islam: it is not the opposite it is just different, opposite would mean they are not sacrificing.

There are islamic martyrs who also sacrifice their life under persecution without killing anyone. Muslims kill other muslims more than they kill of any other religious group.

 

[oi_antz]

I have not seen anywhere in the Bible that says you're not allowed to touch. "Sexual immorality" is so wide open. Personally I think it has to do with rape.

Matthew 5:28
But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

21 For from within, out of a person’s heart, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, lustful desires, envy, slander, pride, and foolishness. 23 All these vile things come from within; they are what defile you.”

Perhaps when you touch it is not motivated by lust, but for me it was.

Back on Islam: it is not the opposite it is just different, opposite would mean they are not sacrificing.

There are islamic martyrs who also sacrifice their life under persecution without killing anyone. Muslims kill other muslims more than they kill of any other religious group.

You are trying to derail me, that is dishonest. I know that Islam is easy to get into, the Koran is full of hooks. I don't know much at all about Buddhism, which is the other discipline you mentioned. I do know that I don't envy it.

 

[nubs]

Matthew 5:28
But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

21 For from within, out of a person’s heart, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, lustful desires, envy, slander, pride, and foolishness. 23 All these vile things come from within; they are what defile you.”

Perhaps when you touch it is not motivated by lust, but for me it was.

You are trying to derail me, that is dishonest. I know that Islam is easy to get into, the Koran is full of hooks. I don't know much at all about Buddhism, which is the other discipline you mentioned. I do know that I don't envy it.

Hmm ok, makes you wonder why God would put these desires in us as a way to get us to procreate. I believe God created evolution, it is instinctual for us to survive and reproduce. If we don't lust after someone, we wouldn't want to reproduce.

Anyhow,

What do you mean derail you? How am I being dishonest? You think I am trying to convert you to Islam? Far from it. Islam is a plague in this world. You said one thing, that their martyrs only become martyrs when they kill someone else, I was letting you know that you are wrong.

 

[sk8Joyful]

Why
Why would God expect intelligent, reasonable, evolved
humans to believe the Bible over any other holy book?
Why is it so difficult for Muslims (or any non-Christian) to convert to Christianity?
Why is science in the Bible clearly false and impossible?

it's literally laughable, to think that the Bible is the product
of this perfectly loving, benevolent creator.
If this is God's work, then he clearly failed as he did pre-flood.
Third times a charm?

Interesting.

You call yourself: "Question.Everything"; but yet
you have forgotten HOW to ask so you CAN learn...
but you call yourself "intelligent, reasonable, evolved".

For instance, here you started with "Did God fail??",
but in only your O.P. you TRY to make God look failed.
When all you really did, was show -
you forgot HOW to ask so you CAN learn...

You can play that silly game of "why" all you want; but until
you REMEMBER HOW to ask so you CAN learn...,
you're not gonna get anywhere, which was your whole point

on to the Next thread...

 

[oi_antz]

Hmm ok, makes you wonder why God would put these desires in us as a way to get us to procreate. I believe God created evolution, it is instinctual for us to survive and reproduce. If we don't lust after someone, we wouldn't want to reproduce.

I understand that we are a more civilized creature than any other of nature's creatures, in fact as the bible teaches that we are representative of God on earth. So we do have a carnal nature with natural desires, but we also have a conscience which knows right from wrong. When we disobey the conscience then you may observe the natural desires in action. Rape, masturbation, and other things that haven't been mentioned yet in this thread. The bible is meant to be a record of how God has directed the civilization of the world, first with the Jews and now with Christians, and eventually every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord. It does take time for the human race to defeat their natural desires, and it may not always be constructive, but eventually there will be no more crying or dying or pain because God (resurrected Jesus) will live with His people.

Anyhow,

What do you mean derail you? How am I being dishonest?

You were arguing for the sake of argument.

You think I am trying to convert you to Islam? Far from it. Islam is a plague in this world. You said one thing, that their martyrs only become martyrs when they kill someone else, I was letting you know that you are wrong.

Ok then I stand corrected. However my initial point was that the entry level for Christianity is set at the highest possible level (the one sin that you will not forsake) and a faith that defies the power of hell, whereas other religions begin with easy sins and gradually increase the criteria as the disciple becomes more comfortable with the discipline. This is why I said you are trying to derail me because you don't want to discuss the truth of the matter, you only want to argue.

 

[nubs]

I understand that we are a more civilized creature than any other of nature's creatures, in fact as the bible teaches that we are representative of God on earth. So we do have a carnal nature with natural desires, but we also have a conscience which knows right from wrong. When we disobey the conscience then you may observe the natural desires in action. Rape, masturbation, and other things that haven't been mentioned yet in this thread. The bible is meant to be a record of how God has directed the civilization of the world, first with the Jews and now with Christians, and eventually every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord. It does take time for the human race to defeat their natural desires, and it may not always be constructive, but eventually there will be no more crying or dying or pain because God (resurrected Jesus) will live with His people.

You were arguing for the sake of argument.

Ok then I stand corrected. However my initial point was that the entry level for Christianity is set at the highest possible level (the one sin that you will not forsake) and a faith that defies the power of hell, whereas other religions begin with easy sins and gradually increase the criteria as the disciple becomes more comfortable with the discipline. This is why I said you are trying to derail me because you don't want to discuss the truth of the matter, you only want to argue.

I didn't think I was, I thought I was only correcting you. Either way, I'll concede!

But doesn't the holy spirit let us know what is right from wrong? If in my mind I don't think something is wrong as it is not hurting anyone then I don't view it as wrong. I interpret the Bible differently than most. Then again, I think every single person interprets the Bible differently.

How can you commit adultery if you're not married or not in a relationship, and the person you are just THINKING about is not married nor in a relationship?

 

[oi_antz]

I didn't think I was, I thought I was only correcting you. Either way, I'll concede!

But doesn't the holy spirit let us know what is right from wrong? If in my mind I don't think something is wrong as it is not hurting anyone then I don't view it as wrong. I interpret the Bible differently than most. Then again, I think every single person interprets the Bible differently.

How can you commit adultery if you're not married or not in a relationship, and the person you are just THINKING about is not married nor in a relationship?

In that case it would be called fornication.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
New King James Version (NKJV)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[nubs]

In that case it would be called fornication.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
New King James Version (NKJV)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

voluntary sexual intercourse between persons not married to each other.

That does not include thoughts

 

[oi_antz]

voluntary sexual intercourse between persons not married to each other.

That does not include thoughts

Jesus did not say that if you look upon an unmarried woman then you have committed fornication in your heart. He also didn't say that if you look upon a man with lust then you've committed homosexuality in your heart, or a child, or an animal or a tree or a shoe. It's up to your own conscience to draw the line, it's naturally a very personal topic, which is why Adam and Eve covered their private parts as the first thing they did when they came to know good from evil. Anyway, I'm not here to be your judge of right and wrong. I'm just sharing where I draw the line, and it is not at first sight, it is at fantasy that I draw the line. There's some pretty girls and boys around, and you'd become quite insecure if you considered it evil to merely be conscious of it.

Clearly what goes on in a person's mind is well beyond anyone else's right to judge, but it is simply between ones self and Jesus. For more about this, read what Paul writes in Romans 14.

 

[1Prophetess]

voluntary sexual intercourse between persons not married to each other.

That does not include thoughts

I'm not sure you're right.

Proverbs 23: 7 For as he thinks in his heart, so is he.

Wouldn't you say that, if you think wrong, you are wrong?

If you think about having sex with a person, didn't you already do it according to this verse?

I try really hard not to think things that are not godly. And if I can't get it out of my mind, then I ask the Lord for help.

I wonder if it's probably easier for women than for men.

 

[visionary]

Why did God choose to write things the way he did?

Did He really fail, or did humans fail to follow?

Why is the Old Testament apparently a set of laws only for early evolved humans 2-6,000 years ago?

Who said they were only for those back then? How about our understanding has improved since then..

Why have so many other religions popped up that are clearly as convincing as Christianity is?

There is a war going on. It is a battle for the minds of men. Even the bible is only for those who eyes are being opened to see, hear and understand. God will only reveal enough for you to grasp. Daily bread.. [/quote]Why is the Bible no more verifiable than the Koran? [/quote] God opens it up as His to those who seek Him, search for Him, and really want to know Him

Why would God expect intelligent, reasonable, evolved humans to believe the Bible over any other holy book?

This is His Book which traces His involvement with man.

Why is it so difficult for Muslims (or any non-Christian) to convert to Christianity?

no more difficult than any one else to surrender their heart and believe

Why is science in the Bible clearly false and impossible?

Either you see the work of God in all that is around you or you don't. When you see His intelligent design in all of creation and give Him credit, more is revealed.

While I'm very receptive to the idea of an intelligent designer for the universe, it's literally laughable to think that the Bible is the product of this perfectly loving, benevolent creator.

Not feeling the love.. When it is your only source, then you will be glad to know, He loves you.

If this is God's work, then he clearly failed as he did pre-flood.

Sin does have a way of messing up perfectly good stuff...[/quote]

Third times a charm?[/QUOTE]Amen...

 

[Chaplain David]

Why did God choose to write things the way he did? Why is the Old Testament apparently a set of laws only for early evolved humans 2-6,000 years ago? Why have so many other religions popped up that are clearly as convincing as Christianity is? Why is the Bible no more verifiable than the Koran? Why would God expect intelligent, reasonable, evolved humans to believe the Bible over any other holy book? Why is it so difficult for Muslims (or any non-Christian) to convert to Christianity? Why is science in the Bible clearly false and impossible?

While I'm very receptive to the idea of an intelligent designer for the universe, it's literally laughable to think that the Bible is the product of this perfectly loving, benevolent creator. If this is God's work, then he clearly failed as he did pre-flood.

Third times a charm?

This post is laughable however God's written word is not. And to make a long story short, God never fails. If you seek or are interested in establishing a relationship with Jesus Christ feel free to visit the ask a chaplain forum where we (Chaplain Eldermike or I) will answer spiritual questions or pm me and we can use one of the various communications media to talk about it. God bless.

 

[Emmy]

Dear Question. Everything. Would you please tell us what you think God failed in. You have given us quite a few things, but what is the most outstanding one? I ask that with love. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.