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Why did God choose to write things the way he did? Why is the Old Testament apparently a set of laws only for early evolved humans 2-6,000 years ago? Why have so many other religions popped up that are clearly as convincing as Christianity is? Why is the Bible no more verifiable than the Koran? Why would God expect intelligent, reasonable, evolved humans to believe the Bible over any other holy book? Why is it so difficult for Muslims (or any non-Christian) to convert to Christianity? Why is science in the Bible clearly false and impossible?
While I'm very receptive to the idea of an intelligent designer for the universe, it's literally laughable to think that the Bible is the product of this perfectly loving, benevolent creator. If this is God's work, then he clearly failed as he did pre-flood.
Third times a charm?
It sounds here like you aren't really asking questions so much as registering a complaint about the biblical God. I don't think this is a complaint forum, however. If you dislike God's methods, tell Him so directly. I'm sure He'll give your complaints the attention they deserve.
Selah.
Why did God choose to write things the way he did? Why is the Old Testament apparently a set of laws only for early evolved humans 2-6,000 years ago? Why have so many other religions popped up that are clearly as convincing as Christianity is? Why is the Bible no more verifiable than the Koran? Why would God expect intelligent, reasonable, evolved humans to believe the Bible over any other holy book? Why is it so difficult for Muslims (or any non-Christian) to convert to Christianity? Why is science in the Bible clearly false and impossible?
While I'm very receptive to the idea of an intelligent designer for the universe, it's literally laughable to think that the Bible is the product of this perfectly loving, benevolent creator. If this is God's work, then he clearly failed as he did pre-flood.
Third times a charm?
This is something I wrote for a blog that I think will help answer your question.
I'm sorry but it doesn't. My very questions target your analogy. For God to make himself and his work known to man, you would expect that he's the amazing violinist playing a perfect piece on a 3.5 million dollar violin. The Bible is not even close to that, the Bible is extremely imperfect and holds no credibility (see my questions). It is a sloppy masterpiece at best, which is uncharacteristic of a supposed perfect violin player and composer.
Would you recognize a 3.5 million dollar violin if you saw one? I don't think you would. Likewise the beauty of the bible is not obvious to everyone. What you call a sloppy masterpiece I call just the clothes of the violinist--not the song.
are you suggesting that humans are merely a science study for God on human behavior? He plays in the subways to see who will stop and listen to him, and damns the rest of humanity to hell. Again, doesn't match up with God's loving nature.
The old testament is not a set of laws.Question.Everything said:Why did God choose to write things the way he did? Why is the Old Testament apparently a set of laws only for early evolved humans 2-6,000 years ago?
I don't find them such.Why have so many other religions popped up that are clearly as convincing as Christianity is?
maybe you're looking at them in the wrong way. They are self-evidently very different books. The Koran is a (somewhat poetic) collection of commands and statement. It is supposedly eternal and divine. To me it doesn't look like that at all - it looks very human and very much a product of it's time and place. The bible, on the other hand, is a story. A story that sets out to be immersed in the messiness of human history, not timeless but the story in time, not just divine but also human.Why is the Bible no more verifiable than the Koran?
it's a story - stories don't start off demanding belief, they invite suspension of disbelief.Why would God expect intelligent, reasonable, evolved humans to believe the Bible over any other holy book?
is it?Why is it so difficult for Muslims (or any non-Christian) to convert to Christianity?
the bible is not a divine instruction on science (and would be useless if it was)Why is science in the Bible clearly false and impossible?
I question if you understand what Love is.
Question.Everything said:Since love is a subjective term, I can only speak of my own experience of it. For example I love my family. Even if they mistreated me, disrespected me, or didn't believe in my thoughts, I would never condemn them to death. I would never physically harm them.
God apparently loves me, but will condemn me to eternal torture for not believing in a creed written by other men. This is not the love I experience.
Your problem and that of many Christians is trying to treat the bible as though it is supposed to be like the Quran.
it's a story - stories don't start off demanding belief, they invite suspension of disbelief.
is it?
the bible is not a divine instruction on science (and would be useless if it was)
It's a story, written within (but stretching) the perspective of the time and people writing it
if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck,...Question.Everything said:Who are you to tell Christians how to properly treat the Bible? Is there any Biblical basis for this assertion? Where in the Bible does it say "This is all a story, you are not meant to read this as a statement."?
that's a statement you've drawn out if the bible. A way in which you and others have tried to reduce it to a timeless statement. You've tried to make it fit the test you want to applyOn the contrary, the Bible is a statement. It states that if you do not follow Jesus and believe in his sacrifice, you are condemned to hell. I can pull up Biblical references if you'd like, but it'd shock me if a Christian didn't know the basis for Christianity.
your quote doesn't say what you are using it to say, even dragged out of it's contextUnfortunately you're wrong, the Bible does demand belief. "The only way to the Father is through me." I do not believe that the sacrifice of Jesus does anything, therefore I cannot get to the Father (heaven).
I've had lots of conversations with Muslims, thanks.Yes. I'd encourage you to ask a Muslim why they aren't Christian if you'd like to find out for yourself. In the mean time, realize that you're just answering questions with more questions.
the concept of science in the modern sense did not exist. The bible describes things in ways that are pre-scientific. As is appropriate except to one complaining because it isn't something it's not trying to be.When did I ever claim that the Bible was a science manual or textbook? There is science in the Bible though. I said the science in the Bible is completely wrong and impossible.
You seem to have missed the point of my comments...Is there any purpose in telling God something he already knows? Do you not think I've tried to talk to God before? Unfortunately my calls only go one way.
It isn't hard to believe. I have no trouble at all believing it - as do millions of other Christians.Yes, they're complaints, but that doesn't mean they make no sense. Christian God makes it very difficult to believe in the Bible, and my above questions only highlight a few reasons why. It's not logical that an all loving God would make his religion so hard to believe. Not even close.
As I already noted, you don't really seem to want an answer, only to offer a complaint. But I can offer a couple of responses to your questions.Since God can't seem to directly answer my questions, can you?
Because He wanted to.Why did God choose to write things the way he did?
The OT isn't only a "set of laws for early evolved humans." God sets out His laws in some of the books of the OT, but there is much more besides: poetry, prophecy, historical events, wisdom literature, etc. The OT, then, is "apparently" as you describe above because you seem not - apparently - to have read it.Why is the Old Testament apparently a set of laws only for early evolved humans 2-6,000 years ago?
"Clearly as convincing"? To whom? Not to me, that's for sure!Why have so many other religions popped up that are clearly as convincing as Christianity is?
Verifiable in respect to what, exactly? Are you aware of how prominently the Bible figures in archaeological research of the Middle East? At least in this regard the Q'uran doesn't even come close to the Bible.Why is the Bible no more verifiable than the Koran?
Because it is the truth and all other "holy books" are false. And many very intelligent, reasonable people have come to this conclusion about the Bible.Why would God expect intelligent, reasonable, evolved humans to believe the Bible over any other holy book?
Is it difficult? I've heard of Muslims coming to the Christian faith quite a lot lately. I suppose there is some difficulty because of the threat of death that hangs over anyone who apostasizes from Islam to embrace Christianity.Why is it so difficult for Muslims (or any non-Christian) to convert to Christianity?
Science in the Bible? Like what, for instance?Why is science in the Bible clearly false and impossible?
I don't think so...but you're entitled to your opinion.While I'm very receptive to the idea of an intelligent designer for the universe, it's literally laughable to think that the Bible is the product of this perfectly loving, benevolent creator.
Not at all.If this is God's work, then he clearly failed as he did pre-flood.
Since love is a subjective term, I can only speak of my own experience of it. For example I love my family. Even if they mistreated me, disrespected me, or didn't believe in my thoughts, I would never condemn them to death. I would never physically harm them.
God apparently loves me, but will condemn me to eternal torture for not believing in a creed written by other men. This is not the love I experience.
Hold up homeboy, "love is a subjective term." Nice try. What do you think love is?
Why did God choose to write things the way he did? Why is the Old Testament apparently a set of laws only for early evolved humans 2-6,000 years ago? Why have so many other religions popped up that are clearly as convincing as Christianity is? Why is the Bible no more verifiable than the Koran? Why would God expect intelligent, reasonable, evolved humans to believe the Bible over any other holy book? Why is it so difficult for Muslims (or any non-Christian) to convert to Christianity? Why is science in the Bible clearly false and impossible?
While I'm very receptive to the idea of an intelligent designer for the universe, it's literally laughable to think that the Bible is the product of this perfectly loving, benevolent creator. If this is God's work, then he clearly failed as he did pre-flood.
Third times a charm?
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