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Basic assumptions of science - Understanding ScienceWhere is the link? This is the 3rd and the last time I have asked this question.
I did not say Science knows everything. If they did we would not need God. Science is agnostic. They can not prove God but they also can not prove there is no God. By pointing out the limits of science is NOT a contradiction with the Bible. We have quantum physics because that goes beyond the limits of classic physics.Science agrees that God created the universe and the earth?
Our need of God is not related to scientific knowledge. Also, this claim seems quite a lot like the God of the gaps fallacy.I did not say Science knows everything. If they did we would not need God.
Our need for God is because of the failure of science and knowledge apart from God. Science is a study of God and HOW He does what He does through natural laws.Our need of God is not related to scientific knowledge.
Our need for God has nothing to do with human science and its achievements or weak spots.Our need for God is because of the failure of science and knowledge apart from God. Science is a study of God and HOW He does what He does through natural laws.
No you didn’t. But you did say that science always agrees with the Bible. Do you really believe Science agrees that God created the universe and the earth? That He made man in his image? That he sent his son Jesus from Heaven to pay the price of sin for man by dying on the cross? That if you accept salvation through Jesus Christ you will be resurrected after you die and live eternally with God?I did not say Science knows everything
I said there is no contradiction. You can not twist my words that way. I did a lot of renovation and restoration work. God restores us back to His plan and purpose for us. You can not prove a miracle because everything is restored and looks the way God intended things to be.But you did say that science always agrees with the Bible.
The Bible is literal and the Bible is symbolic. In the case of Noah's flood the "world" is what we call a biodiverse ecosystem. Eden was very special in that it contained domesticated animals and cultivated plants. Science can tell us exactly what the difference is between a wild plant and a cultivated plant. There are PhD's at the universities in Jerusalem that are experts in how the wild plants of the middle east became cultivated. I can not go into all the details because like everything else it would take a whole book to explain this and these posts need to be very short.Science agrees there was a worldwide flood?
We know what the Bible says. There is NOTHING in science that contradicts the Bible. We need both like we need our left and our right hand. You can study science and you can study the bible with full assurance that they do not contradict themselves at all.Science agrees Israelites were slaves in Egypt for 400 years and was led out by Moses?
Thanks for the reference. This is how to do referencing and quotation in a scholarly manner:Basic assumptions of science - Understanding Science
You should see that as a link. If not let me know and I’ll post the URL
The Bible does NOT say that Noah's flood was a world wide flood. All the evidence shows that Noah's flood was a local flood from our perspective. The word used in the Hebrew is Adamah. This is the land of Eden. The world wide flood took place at the time of Pangea. This is why we find fossils from the ocean at the top of the rocky mountains and the top of the Himalayan mountains.The Bible says there was a worldwide flood
The Bible does say that all flesh upon the earth was killed and only Noah and those on the ark remained alive.The Bible does NOT say that Noah's flood was a world wide flood. All the evidence shows that Noah's flood was a local flood from our perspective. The word used in the Hebrew is Adamah. This is the land of Eden. The world wide flood took place at the time of Pangea. This is why we find fossils from the ocean at the top of the rocky mountains and the top of the Himalayan mountains.
The Bible has many layers of meaning and talks about different things at the same time. There is a literal Bible that we teach to children. Then when they grow up and become adults we start to learn the symbolism in the Bible. Paul talks about this in 1 corinthians 3
"1Brothers, I could not address you as spiritual, but as worldly—as infants in Christ. 2 I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for solid food. In fact, you are still not ready, "
In Hebrew, the word "Adamah" refers to the ground or earth and is closely related to the name "Adam," who is created from the dust of the ground according to the Genesis narrative.
Some people are not ready for solid food. They only talk about the literal Bible and not the symbolism of the Bible.
Science and the Bible are in agreement. There are no contradictions. Many many books can be and has been written to explain all that God has done. John talks about this:
John 21:25
"And there are also many other things which Jesus did, which if they were recorded one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books."
Connection to Eden:
- Adamah: This word emphasizes the connection between humanity and the earth. Adam was formed from the ground (Adamah), symbolizing the intimate link between humans and their environment.
- Eden: The Garden of Eden is described as a paradisiacal place where the first humans, Adam and Eve, lived. It is often associated with the origin of human life and the presence of God.
Symbolic Meaning:
- Creation and Life: The use of "Adamah" underscores the idea that humans are intrinsically connected to the earth. It reflects themes of creation, life, and the sustenance provided by the land.
- Spiritual and Physical Connection: This connection between Adam and Adamah highlights the spiritual and physical relationship humans have with their environment, emphasizing stewardship and care for the earth.
If you are going to quote the Bible then give me a chapter and verse so we can have a discussion. Or we can just study the word "Earth" in the dictionary. "Earth" can refer to the physical ground, a territory, or the whole world. Science tells us that Noah's flood was not a world wide flood.The Bible does say that all flesh upon the earth was killed and only Noah and those on the ark remained alive.
“And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”If you are going to quote the Bible then give me a chapter and verse so we can have a discussion. Or we can just study the word "Earth" in the dictionary. "Earth" can refer to the physical ground, a territory, or the whole world. Science tells us that Noah's flood was not a world wide flood.
For me "earth" means a territory so that there is NO conflict between science and the Bible.
אֶרֶץ (Eretz)
- Meaning: This is the most commonly used word for "earth" or "land" in Hebrew. It can refer to the physical ground, a territory, or the whole world.
- Biblical Usage: Frequently used in the Bible, such as in Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth (eretz)."
אָדָמָה (Adamah)
- Meaning: This word specifically refers to soil or ground, and it is closely related to the name "Adam," who was created from the dust of the ground (adamah).
- Biblical Usage: Used in Genesis 2:7, "Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground (adamah) and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life."
“And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
Genesis 6:13
“And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.”
Genesis 6:17
Chapter 1 and chapter 2 refer to the same event. The flood destroy all living. Makes a lot of sense to have an ark full of 2 of each animals if it was only regional. It does however support that all living outside the ark was killed as Moses tells us.Theological Considerations:
- Universal vs. Local Flood: Some scholars argue for a universal flood, while others suggest a regional flood that impacted the known world at that time. My interpretation aligns with the idea of a regional event focused on a specific area like Eden.
- Adam and Creation: The distinction between the creation of humanity in Genesis 1 and the specific creation of Adam and Eve in Genesis 2 is another area of scholarly debate. Some view these as separate accounts with different focuses, while others see them as part of a single, unified narrative.
Implications:
- Divine Judgment: Regardless of the scope, the flood narrative underscores God's judgment against pervasive wickedness and His commitment to righteousness.
- Preservation and Renewal: The preservation of Noah, his family, and the animals on the ark signifies God's mercy and the hope for renewal and restoration.
The problem is YEC shoot themselves in the foot when they say God destroyed all of what they say does not exist. Because we have to look at the word "earth". "erets: Earth, land, ground, country, territory"
You assume that mankind in Chapter one is the Adam in Chapter two. God does not destroy mankind in Chapter one, He only destroys the Garden of Eden and the descendants of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Except of course for what Noah saves on the Ark.
Eden is a biodiverse ecosystem that may well have been Noah's world. But not our world today. Eden was made up of domesticated animals and cultivated plants. They have the breath of life. The phrase "breath of life" in Hebrew is נִשְׁמַת חַיִּים (nishmat chayim).
This of course is yet another word study. But if you want to understand the Bible then you need to study the words to see what they mean. Some people even study the meaning of the letters. In this case we are looking at the first letter in the Bible Bet or B. This represents God's desire to build himself a house that He can dwell in. He wants to be a part of His creation and that is why He made man in His image. We are the temple of God.
God did not want to destroy man. So God sent His Son to redeem and to restore mankind. He does not make robots. He gives us the freedom of choice to decide if we want to serve Him or not.
Not everyone agrees with that. But you are entitled to have your opinion if I agree with you or not.Chapter 1 and chapter 2 refer to the same event.
The animals on the ark that we read about in our Bible were domesticated animals. We do not see any reference to the Kangaroo or the Tazar monkey in our Bible. There are 10,000 islands in the South Pacific. My wife is from one of them. Mindanao: the second largest island. Every island has it's own unique diversity of plants and animals. It would have been impossible for Noah to save all of those animals on all of those islands on his ark.Makes a lot of sense to have an ark full of 2 of each animals if it was only regional.
Genesis 1 and 2 refer to the same event. Read it again, it will come to you.Not everyone agrees with that. But you are entitled to have your opinion if I agree with you or not.
2 of every animal kind was on the ark. The Bible says it was a world wide flood and that all life outside of the ark was destroyed/kiled. If you have scripture that supports a regional flood please reference itThe animals on the ark that we read about in our Bible were domesticated animals. We do not see any reference to the Kangaroo or the Tazar monkey in our Bible. There are 10,000 islands in the South Pacific. My wife is from one of them. Mindanao: the second largest island. Every island has its own unique diversity of plants and animals. It would have been impossible for Noah to save all of those animals on all of those islands on his ark.
The facts as we know them do not support that Noah's flood was a world wide flood. When we study our Bible we see that the Bible does not support a world wide flood. God did not destory the Adam from Chapter one. Only the flood effected the descendants of Adam and Eve in Chapter two that had the "breath of life".
- Regional Flood: Some scholars propose a more regional interpretation, suggesting that the flood affected the known world of the time rather than the entire globe.
I have already read them many hundreds of times. I study the meaning of each and every word extensively. I study to see what we can test and verify to be true.Read it again, it will come to you.
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