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But just as Christ incarnated as a human on this planet (John 1:1,14) and died once for the sins of humans on this planet, so he could have incarnated as other intelligent life-forms on other fallen planets and died once for them as well. Also, the universe could be so old (some fourteen billion years, while the earth could be some 4.5 billion years old) that many fallen inhabited planets could have already completed their regeneration billions of years ago, with their saved inhabitants having had their sins forgiven by faith in a divine sacrifice on their planet, and their bodies already having been resurrected (if dead) or changed (if alive) into immortal bodies (which the saved still await on this planet: 1 Corinthians 15:51-53), so that they became like/equal to the angels of God in heaven (compare Matthew 22:30, Luke 20:36), so that many of the entities which we call "angels" could have started out as what we would call "aliens" on other planets.
If even some unresurrected humans on this planet can sometimes be called "angels" (in the sense of "messengers"; see Luke 7:24 in the original Greek), then some redeemed aliens on other planets who have been resurrected or changed into immortal bodies could have been assigned by God to serve as angels/messengers of God to minister to the unresurrected elect on this planet (compare Hebrews 1:14). And once the saved on this planet have been resurrected into immortality, and become like/equal to the angels of God in heaven (Matthew 22:30, Luke 20:36), some of them could be assigned by God to other fallen planets which have not yet been regenerated, to serve as angels/messengers of God to minister to the unresurrected elect on those planets.
We really need to get away from every form of geocentrism. Just as it was a mistake for some believers to refuse to accept for so long the fact that the earth is not the physical center of the universe, indeed, is not even the physical center of our solar system, so it is a mistake for some believers to refuse to accept the very real possibility that the earth is not the spiritual center of the universe either, but could be just one of a trillion inhabited planets in the universe, all filled with worshippers of God. And there could be trillions of other universes outside our own, filled with a googolplex of inhabited planets (or other structures which we cannot even imagine). We infinitesimal humans on this one, infinitesimal planet really need to have some sense of humility (Isaiah 40:15,17, Psalms 8:3-4).
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The existence of aliens does not require that they, instead of God, created humans on this planet. For God himself could have directly created both humans on this planet and aliens on other planets (compare John 1:3). Also, if someone were to claim that aliens created Adam (the forbear of all existing humans on this planet) instead of YHWH God, that claim would be false, for it would contradict the Bible's teaching that YHWH God himself created Adam (Genesis 2:7).
Some people feel that the Antichrist's future, one-world religion will teach that Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) is an alien who created humans on this planet. But while the Antichrist's future one-world religion will indeed be Luciferian (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9), it will at the same time also be Gnostic, denying that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3; 2 John 1:7) and utterly reviling YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:31). So it would not make sense for this religion to say that Lucifer is an alien who created humans on this planet. For the reason that Gnosticism reviles YHWH is because he is the Creator of all human fleshly bodies. So it would be better for believers not to worry too much about an "alien deception", and start arming themselves against the Gnostic deception, which happened to have also been one of the main enemies of the early church.
Gnosticism is an ancient religious movement which says that everything material is inherently evil, while only that which is pure spirit can be good. Gnosticism teaches the lie that all humans used to be pure spirit and dwelling in bliss from all eternity in a purely-spiritual heaven called the "Pleroma", until by some mishap humanity fell into the material universe and became trapped in fleshly bodies. Gnosticism reviles YHWH, the God of Biblical Christians, and the Creator of the material universe and of all fleshly bodies, as an evil, subordinate deity, a "Demiurge", who is keeping humans imprisoned and suffering in fleshly bodies and in the material universe.
Gnosticism has some core teachings in common with the major religions of Buddhism and Hinduism:
1. The material realm is unreal and evil. (Both Buddhism and Gnosticism got this mistaken idea, originally called "Maya", from Hinduism.)
2. People must strive to escape the material realm completely and enter into a state which is wholly non-physical (Parinirvana in Buddhism, the Pleroma in Gnosticism). Buddhism and Gnosticism got this mistaken idea, originally called "Brahman", from Hinduism.
3. The way for people to get free from their imprisonment within the material realm is through their minds attaining a certain level of enlightenment (Nirvana in Buddhism, Gnosis in Gnosticism). Buddhism and Gnosticism got this mistaken idea, originally called "Moksha", from Hinduism.
4. The way for their minds to attain this certain level of enlightenment is through following the way of the Serpent (one legend of Buddhism says that the Buddha was given the true Buddhism by the King of the Serpents; and in Gnosticism, Gnosis comes from the Christ/the Serpent). Both Buddhism and Gnosticism got this mistaken idea of the enlightening serpent, originally called "Kundalini", from Hinduism. (Regarding the serpent in Genesis 3, Gnostics see him as the good guy, just as they see YHWH as the bad guy.)
The Bible contradicts each of the four points above:
1. The material realm is real, and was created very good (Genesis 1:31). God himself is in the flesh (John 1:1,14, Luke 24:39) and remains wholly without sin (Hebrews 4:15). So there is nothing evil about matter in itself.
2. People must strive to attain to a resurrection (Philippians 3:11) into an immortal human body of flesh and bones, like the immortal human body of flesh and bones that Jesus obtained at his resurrection (Luke 24:39, Philippians 3:21; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-54, Romans 8:23-25), and in which Jesus will remain forever as our fully-human mediator/high priest (1 Timothy 2:5, Hebrews 2:16-17, Hebrews 7:24-26). His tomb is empty (Matthew 28:6), and when he returns he will show the scars of the Crucifixion on his body (Zechariah 13:6, Zechariah 12:10-14).
3. Resurrected people who have been truly enlightened/illuminated (Ephesians 1:18, Hebrews 10:32) by Jesus Christ (John 14:6-7, John 8:32, John 3:36) will remain in the material realm, ultimately living on a new earth with God (Revelation 21:1-4).
4. The Serpent, Satan/Lucifer, is the deceiver of the whole world (Revelation 12:9).
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Do you believe that angels, who are also finite creatures, will always fall? If so, who died for their sins? And if no one can die for their sins, then how will not all the angels of God in heaven not end up in the eternal torment of the lake of fire and brimstone with Satan and his fallen angels (Matthew 25:41, Revelation 20:10)? And if, instead, it is possible for angels not to fall, then why would it not be possible for some aliens not to fall?
Also, do you believe that after obedient saved humans on the earth are resurrected into immortality and so become like/equal to the angels of God in heaven (Matthew 22:30, Luke 20:36), that they will always fall? Why can't it be possible for them never to choose to sin again, just as God has already made it possible for believers not to sin (John 8:34-36, Romans 8:2-14, Romans 6:1-23; 2 Corinthians 7:1), even when they are tempted to do so (1 Corinthians 10:13; 2 Peter 2:9, Matthew 6:13; 1 Corinthians 9:27, Romans 8:13, Galatians 5:16)?
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If the specific aliens that some people claim to have had contact with (such as "the Greys") truly exist, they could be fallen angels or demons. Or they could be real aliens in the sense of material beings from some other star system. Or, if interstellar travel is physically impossible because of the practical limits which special relativity places on how fast matter can travel, they could be material beings from our own solar system who evolved (by God's created process of evolution) or were miraculously created by God long before humans, whether on this planet, or on the second or the fourth planet from the sun, in some past eon when either or both of those planets was inhabitable.
Some people feel that other inhabited planets in other star systems cannot exist, for God is going to live with only us on this planet (Revelation 21:2-3). But God can live in more than one place at a time (Psalms 139:7-10). Something similar to Revelation 21:2-3 could already be in place on billions of other inhabited planets. For just as the body of each individual believer on this planet is the tabernacle/the temple of God (1 Corinthians 6:19), so each unfallen or regenerated planet could have its own tabernacle/holy city of God. And God can reign in all of them simultaneously, just as he can reign in each believer on this planet simultaneously (John 14:23, Ephesians 3:17).
Some people feel that fallen aliens cannot exist because the book of life, Hades, the lake of fire, the judgment days, and the third heaven are for only humans from this planet. But each fallen planet could have the equivalent of its own book of life, its own Hades, its own lake of fire, its own judgment for the saved only, and its own great white throne judgment. Some fallen planets' judgments could have already occurred billions of years ago, while others may not occur for billions of years after the judgments on this planet occur. Also, each inhabited planet could have its own third heaven, above each planet, in a fourth spatial dimension which is "higher" than the three spatial dimensions which we can see.
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I'm not going to address all the points, because I'm not going to spend all day arguing about aliens. I see no point in it.
Angels still have a choice. They have seen God. Therefore there is no chance for redemption like humans. Lucifer had a choice before he became Satan. Angels cannot be redeemed once they've chosen to disobey God. It makes no mention of aliens as being one of God's creations.
Secondly, we will get new bodies, and we will be into a new ressurection into heaven, and the new earth. Revelations 21:4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death' or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.
For eternity, there will be no more sin.
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Personally, I don't believe that there are any parallel human races or other planets with life.
Genesis states that He created the heavens and the earth and created Adam as well as all the animals. But, there is no mention of any other Adams or earths while He does mention the entire universe.
Also, I believe that the phenomenon known as UFOs and other close encounters are that of angles, powers, principalities, cherubs and demons etc and such that have been allowed to show themselves in this dimension.
An example of this would be Elijah's chariot
Just my own opinion.
Genesis states that He created the heavens and the earth and created Adam as well as all the animals. But, there is no mention of any other Adams or earths while He does mention the entire universe.
Also, I believe that the phenomenon known as UFOs and other close encounters are that of angles, powers, principalities, cherubs and demons etc and such that have been allowed to show themselves in this dimension.
An example of this would be Elijah's chariot
Just my own opinion.
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Hasn't it brought up some basic ideas which are applicable to other topics?
Do you include Satan's fallen angels (Revelation 12:9b, Matthew 25:41), or by angels do you mean only unfallen angels? If the latter, then do you agree that, even as finite creatures, unfallen angels do not have to choose to fall? And if it is possible for angels not to fall, then why would it not be possible for some aliens not to fall?
How does seeing God remove the chance for redemption? Also, in your view, if aliens have not seen God like angels have, would fallen aliens have a chance for redemption?
Agreed.
Why not? What if they repented? What if Satan and his fallen angels will ultimately be cast into hell (Matthew 25:41) because of their refusal to repent, just as even saved humans can return to sin and refuse to repent, to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Hebrews 10:26-29)?
But not everything that exists has to be mentioned in the Bible (compare John 21:25). For example, the Bible makes no mention of Velcro, yet it exists. And the Bible makes no mention of the fact that the earth orbits the sun, and not vice versa as many Bible believers mistakenly assumed for centuries. Such believers even mistakenly claimed that the heliocentric system was a lie which was against the revealed knowledge of God in the Bible that the sun orbits the earth. Of course, the truth is that nothing in the Bible requires a geocentric system. Similarly, nothing in the Bible requires aliens cannot exist.
Also, the argument that other inhabited planets cannot exist because if they did the Bible would have told us about them, is like someone in the 1300's in Europe saying: "Other inhabited continents cannot exist besides the ones in the Bible: Europe, Africa, and Asia. For if other inhabited continents did exist the Bible would have told us about them". Of course, the truth is that the Bible made no mention of the other inhabited continents of North America, South America, and Australia, and yet they existed. Similarly, even though the Bible makes no mention of other inhabited planets, they could exist.
What requires that there will be no more sin ever committed at anytime subsequent to the point of Revelation 21:4? That is, do you believe that free will is included in the "former things" that will pass away at the point of Revelation 21:4, so that it will become impossible from then on for believers to ever commit sin again, because they will have been turned into the equivalent of robots programmed to do only good for all eternity?
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In Genesis 1:1, the original Hebrew word (shamayim, H8064) translated as "heaven" or "heavens" can be translated simply as the "air" in which the birds fly (for example, Genesis 1:30; 1 Samuel 17:44, Proverbs 30:19). So Genesis 1:1 does not have to be referring to when God created the universe (which could be some fourteen billion years old), or to when God created any of the other, trillion inhabited planets which could exist in the universe, but can simply be referring to when God created the earth (which could be some 4.5 billion years old) and its atmosphere.
If you believe that God created angels, even though Genesis chapters 1 and 2 make no reference to angels, then why can't you believe that God could have created aliens, even though Genesis chapters 1 and 2 make no reference to aliens? And if God could have created both angels and aliens, then why couldn't some phenomena known as UFOs be angelic (or demonic) and some be alien? (Most could simply be unidentified human aircraft or spacecraft, or planetary or star lights under extraordinary atmospheric conditions.)
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I find it difficult and most times fruitless to argue with an admitted atheist who doesn't believe in God.
It is even more foolish to argue with a person who knows their is a God, and knows the Bible is the God inspired word of God, but is trying to convince themselves that it isn't.
It is even more foolish to argue with a person who knows their is a God, and knows the Bible is the God inspired word of God, but is trying to convince themselves that it isn't.
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Evolution and an old earth in no way contradict anything in God's Word the Bible.
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Well, let's go to the word.
"There was evening, there was morning, the first DAY"
Even from the first day, God specified that it was an actual "day". He went to the detail of explaining it specifically.
"let the land produce vegetation: seed bearing plants and trees bearing fruit with seed in it ACCORDING TO THEIR KINDS"
So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, ACCORDING TO THEIR KINDS"
"and every winged bird ACCORDING TO ITS KIND"
"and God made wild animals ACCORDING TO THEIR KINDS"
So as you can see, He created them "according to their KINDS". NOT, through time each ended up being "different kinds". Again, He has gone to the trouble of stating "each to their own kind" when they were created.
"So, God created man IN HIS OWN IMAGE, in the image of God he created him"
Man, on the other hand was made in His Own Image. Not the product of the changes of many other creatures that He already indicated were fashioned in THEIR OWN KIND"
"then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being."
Here, He takes great effort to indicate that, not only did He create humans as humans not the end product of some chance mutation process, BUT He "breathed life into his nostrils" That means, Adam was a full human being but had no life before GOD breathed life into his nostrils. Adam could not have "mutated" from some other creature as he would of had to be ALIVE. Yet he had no breath of life until the almighty breathed life into his already human nostrils.
So, based on these subtle, yet, so important, specifically indicated details, I will, until my dieing day fully belief and stand strong on God's inspired, God breathed words that the creation was six days and then the seventh, when He rested.
AND, in my opinion, anyone who believes that God could not have and did not create the whole universe in six days, greatly insults the awesome power and magnitude of our God, Lord and Savior, the Holy Trinity.
(capital letters are used for expressing importance of statements, not as "yelling")
"There was evening, there was morning, the first DAY"
Even from the first day, God specified that it was an actual "day". He went to the detail of explaining it specifically.
"let the land produce vegetation: seed bearing plants and trees bearing fruit with seed in it ACCORDING TO THEIR KINDS"
So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, ACCORDING TO THEIR KINDS"
"and every winged bird ACCORDING TO ITS KIND"
"and God made wild animals ACCORDING TO THEIR KINDS"
So as you can see, He created them "according to their KINDS". NOT, through time each ended up being "different kinds". Again, He has gone to the trouble of stating "each to their own kind" when they were created.
"So, God created man IN HIS OWN IMAGE, in the image of God he created him"
Man, on the other hand was made in His Own Image. Not the product of the changes of many other creatures that He already indicated were fashioned in THEIR OWN KIND"
"then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being."
Here, He takes great effort to indicate that, not only did He create humans as humans not the end product of some chance mutation process, BUT He "breathed life into his nostrils" That means, Adam was a full human being but had no life before GOD breathed life into his nostrils. Adam could not have "mutated" from some other creature as he would of had to be ALIVE. Yet he had no breath of life until the almighty breathed life into his already human nostrils.
So, based on these subtle, yet, so important, specifically indicated details, I will, until my dieing day fully belief and stand strong on God's inspired, God breathed words that the creation was six days and then the seventh, when He rested.
AND, in my opinion, anyone who believes that God could not have and did not create the whole universe in six days, greatly insults the awesome power and magnitude of our God, Lord and Savior, the Holy Trinity.
(capital letters are used for expressing importance of statements, not as "yelling")
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You are correct, however, I would, personally, be kinda freaked out if He had of said "thus only on the earth did I create them" LOL.
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And these are two likely candidates when it comes to the possibility of life on other planets..
NASA: Astronomers discover Earth-like planets believed to have oceans - San Jose Mercury News
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So, your point is...
I'm guessing here, God created at least two other parallel earths or more, or... evolution occurred on three occasions....
The first, may be possible, but it is not something that I personally believe. The second, Well if the odds were insurmountable and beyond modern calculation that evolution even happened once. Then multiplying that by three is a mute point.
I'm guessing here, God created at least two other parallel earths or more, or... evolution occurred on three occasions....
The first, may be possible, but it is not something that I personally believe. The second, Well if the odds were insurmountable and beyond modern calculation that evolution even happened once. Then multiplying that by three is a mute point.
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Evolution and an old earth in no way contradict anything that you quoted from Genesis. For evolution per se (random mutation and survival of the fittest) can coexist with instantaneous creation. Also, there could have been two different gaps of time in Genesis chapters 1-2, the first gap between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2, and the second gap between Genesis 2:4 and Genesis 2:5. Genesis 1:1 could have occurred some 4.5 billion years ago, when God first created the planet earth and its atmosphere (the first heaven, in which the birds fly: Genesis 1:20b). Between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2, some 4.5 billion years could have occurred, in which God could have allowed his own created process of evolution to serve as a mechanism by which new species arose on the earth. During those same 4.5 billion years, God could have also gone outside of evolution and created new species miraculously, instantaneously, already fully-formed, whenever he wanted to (compare punctuated equilibria).
Genesis 1:2 could refer to the condition of the earth only about twelve thousand years ago (at the end of the Paleolithic period), after some cataclysm, such as a comet strike, had killed off all life on the planet (both evolved and miraculously created), and had submerged all land areas in water (comets contain huge amounts of water), and had ruined the atmosphere. The impact of the comet could have also knocked the earth out of its orbit around its original star, so that the earth was sent hurtling into the darkness of interstellar space as a "rogue planet" (astronomers estimate that rogue planets in our galaxy could outnumber the stars in our galaxy). Genesis 1:3 to 2:4 could then refer to God, over a period of six, literal, twenty-four-hour days (some twelve thousand years ago, at the start of the Neolithic period), miraculously restoring to the earth light, a good atmosphere, dry land, and life, including a race of male and female homo sapiens sapiens after God had miraculously restored land plants (Genesis 1:11-13) and land animals (Genesis 1:24-25) to the earth.
Then, only about six thousand years ago, God miraculously created on the earth an individual male homo sapiens sapiens named Adam in an uninhabited desert land (Genesis 2:5-7; there, the original Hebrew word translated as "earth" can simply refer to a certain "land": for example, Genesis 2:11). After that, God planted the plants of the local, Garden of Eden in that desert land (Genesis 2:8-9) and God placed Adam in that garden (Genesis 2:15). Then God miraculously created the animals of the Garden of Eden (Genesis 2:19). Then God miraculously created in the Garden of Eden an individual female homo sapiens sapiens (Genesis 2:22) whom Adam named Eve (Genesis 3:20).
Because Adam was created only about six thousand years ago (based on Biblical chronology), yet there are homo sapiens sapiens fossils said to be as old as about two hundred thousand years, God could have first created homo sapiens sapiens (or it could have evolved by God's created process of evolution) as far back as about two hundred thousand years. Also, all the different hominid forms the fossils of which long predate or are as old as the earliest fossils of homo sapiens sapiens, and which preceding or coexisting hominid forms we do not consider to have been fully human like us (such as homo sapiens neanderthalensis), could have all been created by God (or could have evolved by God's created process of evolution) over millions of years prior to the first appearance of homo sapiens sapiens on the earth.
And this does not even get into the possibly trillion other inhabited planets in the universe on which homo sapiens sapiens (or similar or far more advanced life-forms) could have been created by God (or could have evolved by God's created process of evolution) billions of years prior to the first appearance of homo sapiens sapiens on the earth. For the universe could be about fourteen billion years old, and there are something like a hundred billion different galaxies, each containing something like a hundred billion different stars. So even if only one star out of every ten billion stars has an inhabited planet, there would still be a trillion inhabited planets. And on most of these, God could have begun his miraculous work (and the work of his created process of evolution) billions of years before beginning his miraculous work (and the work of his created process of evolution) on the earth.
It has not been said that God could not have created the whole universe in six days, but that nothing in the Bible requires that he did, because in Genesis 1:1, the original Hebrew word (shamayim, H8064) translated as "heaven" or "heavens" can be translated simply as the "air" in which the birds fly (for example, Genesis 1:30; 1 Samuel 17:44, Proverbs 30:19). So Genesis 1:1 does not have to be referring to when God created the universe (which could be some fourteen billion years old), or to when God created any of the other, trillion inhabited planets which could exist in the universe, but can simply be referring to when God created the earth (which could be some 4.5 billion years old) and its atmosphere.
And this in no way insults the power or magnitude of God, for he still is the Creator of everything that exists (John 1:3). And nothing in the Bible requires that everything that exists has to come into existence instantaneously, instead of through a gradual, natural process created by God. For example, God has a human today start out as a one-celled organism, a zygote, in its mother's womb, and then has it only gradually develop, through natural means, into an embryo, and then into a fetus, and then into a baby, and then into a toddler, and then into an adolescent, and then into an adult. And God has other animals today develop gradually in a similar way. And God has plants today start out as seeds. It must give God pleasure to see plants and animals develop naturally over time, just as it must give him pleasure to also sometimes create plants and animals instantaneously, miraculously, already fully-formed, like he did in Genesis 1:11-13 and Genesis 1:20-27, during three of the seven literal days of Genesis 1:3 to 2:4.
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Can you quote a scientific, peer-reviewed paper that proves that the odds of evolution happening are insurmountable and beyond modern calculation?
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I see the logic in your responce, I REALLY DO.
However we all know that in Genesis it says God created the Universe/Earth in 6 days. Are you saying that these days are not literally days as in 24 hour days??
You answer really does have me interested. I'd love to hear more...
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Scientifically, it won’t work either, because the whole essence of the geological age system, which some people try to accommodate by the ‘gap’ theory, is based on what geologists call ‘uniformitarianism’ that is, the continuity of processes in the ancient world with those in the modern world. The very structure of the geological age system is based on the assumption that present rates and processes are the same as those that took place in the past. There is no room for a world-wide cataclysm interrupting those processes in the system of the geological ages.
That is why no geologist would ever accept the ‘gap’ theory. In order to have a world-wide cataclysm that would destroy all the pre-cataclysm mountains and cast them into the sea, so that there was the deep everywhere, and then blow billions of tons of debris up into the sky so that there was darkness over the deep everywhere, as Genesis 1:2 describes it, it would have to be a world-wide nuclear explosion, or volcanic explosion, or something which would literally disintegrate the crust of the earth where the fossils and the sedimentary rocks are that identify the geological ages. So the ‘gap’ theory would destroy the evidence for the geological ages in order to accommodate them! It is a self-negating theory scientifically; it creates overwhelming scientific problems. No geologist would ever accept the ‘gap’ theory.
Therefore, we have to reject the ‘gap’ theory as an interpretation of Genesis 1:2. We can be confident that a simple and straightforward, literal interpretation of the biblical record will satisfy all the real facts of geology.
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The Gap Theory—an Idea with Holes? - Answers in Genesis
The rest of the arcticle shows reasons why the gap theory is invalid as well.
Dr. Harold Morowitz, former professor of biophysics at Yale University, estimated that the probability of the chance formation of the smallest, simplest form of living organism known is 1 out of 10^340,000,000. One out of ten to the 340 millionth power is unimaginable odds. This large figure is a "1" followed by 340,000,000 zeroes. As you can see, Morowitz' odds against even the simplest life evolving were infinitely more than 1*10^50, making them impossible.
The very popular evolutionist, Dr. Carl Sagan of Cornell University, figured even steeper odds against the simplest life beginning naturally on a planet such as earth. According to Sagan, the probability would be about 1 out of 10^2,000,000,000. Try to imagine ten to the 2 billionth power. Pretty astounding odds. Interestingly, these impossible odds against evolution came from one of the most prominent evolutionists of our time.
If you want the proof that evolution isn't true, it's out there. But people will see what they want to see.
That is why no geologist would ever accept the ‘gap’ theory. In order to have a world-wide cataclysm that would destroy all the pre-cataclysm mountains and cast them into the sea, so that there was the deep everywhere, and then blow billions of tons of debris up into the sky so that there was darkness over the deep everywhere, as Genesis 1:2 describes it, it would have to be a world-wide nuclear explosion, or volcanic explosion, or something which would literally disintegrate the crust of the earth where the fossils and the sedimentary rocks are that identify the geological ages. So the ‘gap’ theory would destroy the evidence for the geological ages in order to accommodate them! It is a self-negating theory scientifically; it creates overwhelming scientific problems. No geologist would ever accept the ‘gap’ theory.
Therefore, we have to reject the ‘gap’ theory as an interpretation of Genesis 1:2. We can be confident that a simple and straightforward, literal interpretation of the biblical record will satisfy all the real facts of geology.
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The Gap Theory—an Idea with Holes? - Answers in Genesis
The rest of the arcticle shows reasons why the gap theory is invalid as well.
Dr. Harold Morowitz, former professor of biophysics at Yale University, estimated that the probability of the chance formation of the smallest, simplest form of living organism known is 1 out of 10^340,000,000. One out of ten to the 340 millionth power is unimaginable odds. This large figure is a "1" followed by 340,000,000 zeroes. As you can see, Morowitz' odds against even the simplest life evolving were infinitely more than 1*10^50, making them impossible.
The very popular evolutionist, Dr. Carl Sagan of Cornell University, figured even steeper odds against the simplest life beginning naturally on a planet such as earth. According to Sagan, the probability would be about 1 out of 10^2,000,000,000. Try to imagine ten to the 2 billionth power. Pretty astounding odds. Interestingly, these impossible odds against evolution came from one of the most prominent evolutionists of our time.
If you want the proof that evolution isn't true, it's out there. But people will see what they want to see.
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Regarding God creating the universe in six days, nothing in the Bible requires that. For in Genesis 1:1, the original Hebrew word (shamayim, H8064) translated as "heaven" or "heavens" can be translated simply as the "air" in which the birds fly (for example, Genesis 1:30; 1 Samuel 17:44, Proverbs 30:19). So Genesis 1:1 does not have to be referring to when God created the universe (which could be some fourteen billion years old), or to when God created any of the other, trillion inhabited planets which could exist in the universe, but can simply be referring to when God created the earth (which could be some 4.5 billion years old) and its atmosphere.
The six days in Genesis 1:3 to 2:4 can be six, literal, twenty-four hour days. But they could have happened billions of years after Genesis 1:1, for the reasons given in post 35.
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If the website you quoted meant no non-Christian geologist, that's right, just as no non-Christian geologist would ever accept that Noah's flood was a global event. But after a house is flooded, people are able to refurbish it so that no one can tell that it had ever been flooded, unless someone tells them that it had. In the same way, after the earth was flooded in the time of Noah, God was able to clean it up by his miraculous power so that no one could tell that it had ever been flooded, unless God told them (in the Bible) that it had been flooded (Genesis 7:10 to 8:14).
Note that nothing requires a destruction of the pre-cataclysm mountains with regard to the cataclysm that could have occurred right before Genesis 1:2. All that is required is that the mountains became submerged by water. Also, the darkness in Genesis 1:2 could have been mainly caused by the earth being struck away from its original star, as was described in post 35. Also, the comet-strike referred to in post 35 wouldn't have had to have disintegrated the crust of the earth where the fossils and the sedimentary rocks are that identify the geological ages.
Nothing requires that.
It isn't, and it doesn't.
Indeed. And what was presented in post 35 was a literal interpretation of the Biblical record.
Can you quote the other reasons?
Can you quote his scientific, peer-reviewed paper that proved that to be the case? Also, evolution per se does not require abiogenesis, which is what Morowitz was referring to, not the chance of the evolution of already-existing species.
Can you quote his scientific, peer-reviewed paper that proved that to be the case? Also, again, evolution per se does not require abiogenesis, which is what Sagan was referring to, not the chance of the evolution of already-existing species.
You are confusing what has been suggested as the odds of abiogenesis with the (not yet presented) odds of the evolution of already-existing species.
Can you quote from where the proof against evolution is?
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