What about Neandertals? My belief is that Adam and Eve were the first of what we nowadays call homo sapiens (humans) and what they were was half Neandertal and half Elohim, and that's where the human race originates.
Uhm, yes it does, especially when you study apologetics, hermeneutics, etc., and combine those with the study of ancient history, philosophy, language, etc. To say it does not help is simply absurd.
So you can say whatever you want. How convenient. The Bible warns of false prophets. Be careful when treading on that type of ground. Occult leaders emerge claiming the same thing.
I do believe in evolution, but one that is governed by the laws of nature that God created. No, creation was not a literal 1 week period. No I do not take the Genesis account literally. The world does not interpret Scripture for me. I do my own studies, thank you very much. Furthermore I call myself a Progressive Christian Deist.
1. I believe that we have free will, and it is on that basis that God does not set us up for any type of predestination. We make our own choices, good or bad. Can He influence the world? Absolutely. Does He interfere with any choice that is made? Absolutely not. Why do bad things happen to good people? Because someone chose to do something bad, plain and simple. Jesus was sent as our savior, but that does not interfere with free will. People still have to make the CHOICE to accept and follow Him.
2. I am a Christian in that I accepted Jesus as my savior, long ago.
3. To expand on deism, it is my belief that God created the laws of nature, and the world/cosmos runs according to those laws. God does not have to be sitting at the helm, governing every little thing. In short, He invented the auto pilot.
I too, am guided by the Holy Spirit. However, I do use specific translations (NASB, YLT = top 2), I am a scholar and theologian, and my views are supported biblically, once you get past centuries of tradition and skewed KJV biases. I study both Hebrew and Greek. Every single English translation is no where near the accuracy of the source language. I also study history, and don't think for one second that parts of the Bible are not culturally or politically motivated.
Without the direction of the Holy Spirit it is all worthless.
The bible reveals that the Holy Spirit is our teacher. If you aren't being taught by the Holy Spirit then you have nothing of value to tell us about scripture. Without the guidance and direction of the Holy Spirit you only have a dead religion with dead works.
Your own study has produced two supposed contradictions in the bible to which you use to justify your unbelief, which are not actually contradictions. How can your study of the scripture be trusted when you are content with superficial explanations and are unwilling to admit when you're wrong?
John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
The scripture reveals that you cannot choose to accept Jesus; God the Father must first draw you to Jesus. How can you say God doesn't interfere when you can't even be saved without God "interfering"?
Do you believe people die randomly?
Yet everything in the scripture tells us that God controls everything.
In other words, you pick and choose what you want to believe about the bible and discard the rest...
So what do you guys think? You can discuss it here or on the youtube comments either way is fine with me.
... and because of the likelihood of Cain marrying within the family.
I heard there was genetic evidence that points to there being more then just 2 homosapiens during the early days of our species, that all modern humans did not come from just 2 people.
I don't recall anyone, myself included, saying that the Holy Spirit is worthless, does not exist, etc. I did say that I pray for guidance and wisdom when doing my research, and I feel that the Holy Spirit is with me. Therefore, the presence/absence of the Holy Spirit is not even a valid part of your argument.
I am of the belief that the Bible is inerrant...according to the autographs. In other words, the ORIGINAL written documents in their archaic languages are inerrant. However, those have been lost/destroyed and no longer exist. What most Christians read and study from are TRANSLATIONS, taken from copies of copies, and those are subject to human error. This would have to be a thread within itself; one I may start.
Are there contradictions in the Bible after translations? Absolutely.
First off, use the verse in context within the chapter for which it was intended. Jesus is preaching to the Jews who were complaning about Him. Secondly, there are plenty of references in the Bible that support free will. I can provide them, or I can leave you to research them for yourself so that you may learn something.
Yes. I also choose what pants to wear randomly, what I want for lunch randomly, and what movie I am going to watch at night randomly.
Wrong.
Genesis 22:1-14 is the story of Abraham being tested by God, when he is instructed to sacrifice his son, Isaac. Abraham does not hesitate to obey God. If you read through those verses, you'll find where it states this:
He said, “Do not stretch out your hand against the lad, and do nothing to him; for now I know that you are a fearer of God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.”
God did not know what Abraham would choose to do. He tested Him and at the last second, He stopped him from sacrificing Isaac, when He saw that Abraham would obey. Free will.
Revelation 20:11-15
This is the propephecy/vision of the dead being raised and judged before God, based on their deeds. If God controls everything, including all of our choices and actions, why then would He need to judge the dead based on their deeds (actions), when He was the one controlling them to begin with? He would be judging Himself. Doesn't make sense, unless we have free will, and we make our own choices.
I don't pick and choose what to believe in. However, I do use common sense and reason when reading the Bible. I use the verses within the context that they were meant for. I understand that translational errors are present, that there are cultural and political factors within some of the stories, and I compare those stories to ancient history, as people were migratory and moved all over.
May I suggest, that for any future posts, you use supporting evidence within CONTEXT, and not just your opinion on a subject.
Peace.
My suggestion to you is to pray and ask God for a revelation of who He is...
Without the direction of the Holy Spirit it is all worthless.
John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
Yes, He does!
How can your study of the scripture be trusted when you are content with superficial explanations and are unwilling to admit when you're wrong?
Sometimes, for whatever reason, people get things wrong. Only the Lord knows man's heart...as to the why of things. This is why all of us should test whatever is said against Scripture....to make sure that what is being said is true.
John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
Yes, true.
The scripture reveals that you cannot choose to accept Jesus; God the Father must first draw you to Jesus. How can you say God doesn't interfere when you can't even be saved without God "interfering"?
He knows your heart...better than u know ur own heart.
A profession of faith doesn't make you a Christian. There are many who will say "Lord, Lord..did we not prophecy in your name, etc." And He will say "I never knew you"
He knows ur heart, u can't fool God like u can men!
Yet everything in the scripture tells us that God controls everything. The prophecies of the Messiah, for instance, predate Jesus by hundreds and sometimes thousands of years. This isn't to mention everything written about in Revelation. If God set everything to autopilot and doesn't control everything, how is it that He has engineered all of history?
He has His hand in everything.
The Israelites when they made the golden calf called it "Yahweh". They were still worshiping the true God but they had a distorted image of Him.
...If you read my bio, you'll find that I am working toward my PhD in theology....
Yes there are contradictions in the Bible, especially the KJV. In Genesis 1, plants are created before Adam. In Genesis 2, Adam is created before plants. There's really no way around it....
Scripture please? No they were not worshiping the true and living God. They violated the commandments and they worshiped something made with hands.
All through the old testament, u can see that His people, Jews, did things their way, because of their hard hearts and lack of faith.
In conclusion, since God WAS angry with them and destroyed many of them throughout the old testament history, I don't think u can get away with saying that it was ok to do what they did. It was clearly not ok w/God; He called them on it repeatedly.
I've always been a yec, but now I think there was a preAdamic world, that was destroyed.
Between Genesis 1 and 2 there could have been millions of years.
Jeremiah 4:27
I beheld the earth, and indeed it was without form, and void;
And the heavens, they had no light.
24 I beheld the mountains, and indeed they trembled,
And all the hills moved back and forth.
25 I beheld, and indeed there was no man,
And all the birds of the heavens had fled.
26 I beheld, and indeed the fruitful land was a wilderness,
And all its cities were broken down
At the presence of the Lord,
By His fierce anger.
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To those who look closely at the text, there are some very clear clues that the plants of the field in Genesis 2 are different from the wild plants created on day 3 in Genesis 1.
So I grew up in a non denominational church and that is still what I consider my faith to be...I don't know if this question falls under our beliefs but I like to ask the question anyway. I run a youtube show but do not get a lot of hits and this is why I bring it here.
PLEASE keep in mind that I am breaking everything down on a chapter by chapter basis, I did not take into account anything that was written after GEN ch.2 and these videos are not posted to be FACT, they are posted to bring up questions.
These are a few points I went over.
Genesis Chapter 2: Did God Create more than just Adam and Eve in the Beginning? - YouTube
So what do you guys think? You can discuss it here or on the youtube comments either way is fine with me.
Could you expand on that a little? Do you believe this particular passages is referring back to a time before creation? Or do you think it's referring to Gen. 1:2?
so where did adam and eve's sons get their wives from?
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