Did God create germs , viruses and parasites ?

[yeshuaslavejeff]

There are even those who deny the existence of viruses - this makes sense to me. I read that a virus has never been isolated and viewed under an electron-microscope, *and* proven to produce the symptoms associated with said virus when injected into a test subject. That is, if its never been isolated, it could well be something else producing the symptoms - and this is nothing new - we know bacteria and poisons under some conditions can produce illness, or, if the alleged virus ever is demonstrably isolated under the electron microscope, its unable to produce the illness conditions that the virus is said to produce (therefore, its not the "virus" we're looking for).

My theory is that "viruses" are produced by living things - either the organisms being attacked, or the organisms attacking, but they are in no ways the primary cause of an illness.

Have you seen the goldfish ? (search terrain theory germ theory )
The terrain theory is the theory of disease proposed by Antoine Béchamp that a diseased body, the "terrain", will attract germs to come as scavengers of the weakened or poorly defended tissue. ... Germ theory states that microorganisms, bacteria, virus and fungi, are the cause of most diseases.
Terrain theory - Wikipedia

 

[Doctor.Sphinx]

Have you seen the goldfish ? (search terrain theory germ theory )
The terrain theory is the theory of disease proposed by Antoine Béchamp that a diseased body, the "terrain", will attract germs to come as scavengers of the weakened or poorly defended tissue. ... Germ theory states that microorganisms, bacteria, virus and fungi, are the cause of most diseases.
Terrain theory - Wikipedia

I agree with the theory, although I haven't yet been convinced that viruses exist as they are claimed to exist (i.e. the direct cause of disease, rather than being a product of living things).

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I agree with the theory, although I haven't yet been convinced that viruses exist as they are claimed to exist (i.e. the direct cause of disease, rather than being a product of living things).

Which theory do you agree with ? The dis-proven (popular, profitable) one, or the proven (shunned, unpopular, less profitable) one ?
Neither has anything to do with virus.

 

[Doctor.Sphinx]

Which theory do you agree with ? The dis-proven (popular, profitable) one, or the proven (shunned, unpopular, less profitable) one ?
Neither has anything to do with virus.

The terrain theory is more consistent with the bible, in my opinion, and is therefore the one I agree with.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The terrain theory is more consistent with the bible, in my opinion, and is therefore the one I agree with.

Btw, it was also provable, testable, worldwide with everyone having the same results.
It was abandoned though in favor of the dis-proven germ theory, because of greed and power and the profit potential which rules the corporations and governments.

 

[Drought of the Heart]

Earth is God's footstool , He created everything and uses them for His purpose.2 Chronicles 7
13 If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people;

14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

 

[Drought of the Heart]

Earth is God's footstool , He created everything and uses them for His purpose.2 Chronicles 7
13 If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people;

14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Read Job 32-42

 

[AlexDTX]

Somebody who does not believe God from the Bible made argument that "why would loving God of the Bible create parasite which is living inside eyeball ? "

You could answer him that it was due to God cursing the earth after Adam sin but what did parasites eat before the fall ? Were there germs on everything before fall ? Are germs animals ?

Couldn't God just not create parasites which live inside of eyeball or in brain slowly eating it from inside ?

What did Cymothoa exigua eat before fall ?

What did these larva eat before the curse ? They feed of blood and live in muscles .

Did Noah take germs,viruses and parasites with him on ark ?
Do you think that when Jesus returns he will remove these germs , viruses and parasites ?

I understand that there are useful germs which help for example termite gut microbes . Were all germs helpfull before fall ?
How parasite eating eyeball can be called "very good " by God on day 7 ?

God created a symbiotic creation where every thing mutually benefits one another. The curse is the consequence of Adam's choice. It is a curse, but it is not something God created. James tells us that if we break one commandment we have broken them all. The imperfection Adam introduced into the perfect creation of God infected all of creation. In physics it is entropy, the recognition that everything is in a state of decay. Biblically this is death.

Death morphs all creation. Created life fights against it but loses. This resistance to death manifests in many ways. When God told Adam that he would work by the sweat of his brow and thorns and thistles would grow, He was not saying that God himself would create the thorns but the created plant life would adapt to this death by changing. Remember I said the creation was symbiotic. Parasites adapted to death for self preservation.

Self preservation did not exist in paradise for there was no need. It is a symptom of the impact of death Adam introduced into creation. Did Adam create death, then, by his disobedience? Yes and no. Regeneration is the system of perpetual life that God created. A seed has to die in order for the regeneration into a plant. Caterpillars die in order for the regeneration into a butterfly. God created this system. However, with Adam's disobedience the regeneration fails and became death as we now know it.

When God told Eve that she would labor in childbirth, again, this is not God cursing women, rather the struggle to resist death and create life is the consequence of imperfection infecting perfection.

God is good and does no evil.

 

[Chinchilla]

God created a symbiotic creation where every thing mutually benefits one another. The curse is the consequence of Adam's choice. It is a curse, but it is not something God created. James tells us that if we break one commandment we have broken them all. The imperfection Adam introduced into the perfect creation of God infected all of creation. In physics it is entropy, the recognition that everything is in a state of decay. Biblically this is death.

Death morphs all creation. Created life fights against it but loses. This resistance to death manifests in many ways. When God told Adam that he would work by the sweat of his brow and thorns and thistles would grow, He was not saying that God himself would create the thorns but the created plant life would adapt to this death by changing. Remember I said the creation was symbiotic. Parasites adapted to death for self preservation.

Self preservation did not exist in paradise for there was no need. It is a symptom of the impact of death Adam introduced into creation. Did Adam create death, then, by his disobedience? Yes and no. Regeneration is the system of perpetual life that God created. A seed has to die in order for the regeneration into a plant. Caterpillars die in order for the regeneration into a butterfly. God created this system. However, with Adam's disobedience the regeneration fails and became death as we now know it.

When God told Eve that she would labor in childbirth, again, this is not God cursing women, rather the struggle to resist death and create life is the consequence of imperfection infecting perfection.

God is good and does no evil.

What about the Fear of man which God gave to animals after flood , sounds like meat was not eaten and animals did not flee from human before the flood . Genesis 9:2-3

 

[MartyF]

Some things come about through Man’s choices.

Syphilis hasn’t always existed. Same with Aids.

Those flies in the dogs come about through sloth.

 

[PaulCyp1]

Once God created the Earth, and it had a few million years to cool, simple organisms gradually evolved. As time went on, they adapted to every kind of available habitat - fresh water, salt water, soil, and even the bodies of other organisms.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Once God created the Earth, and it had a few million years to cool, simple organisms gradually evolved. As time went on, they adapted to every kind of available habitat - fresh water, salt water, soil, and even the bodies of other organisms.

You realize, right, that that is opposed to much of the Creator's Word and Plan and Purpose,
and is just a 'theory' proposed by the enemy of the Creator , especially for example propagated and taught by such as the Germans in their plan of conquering the family and the Christians who opposed them.

 

[Kaon]

Sorry, I am new to this group and I have not figured out yet how the posting works. I am reposting my reply to the original post here.

The Creator produced everything including the microbes and other parasites for the purpose of ecological balance. Some say that it is a cruelty on God's part -- people die because of this "flaw in creation". But God also provided the means of curing all parasite-related illnesses. It is left to the people to develop all medications necessary to neutralize microbes and viruses.

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As far as your reply, I think you are spot on. When unity was decoupled into [knowledge of] good and evil, there was already a "built-in-app" for the consequences of the fall. In Australia, there are several systems that balance the other in terms of health - often time the "cure" is right next to the "cause."

If we looked at organisms as fighting for their lives also, perhaps we would be more compelled to find symbiosis or mutualism. But, we are charged with much more than we are mature enough to handle; eradication, weaponization, and/or our own form of parasitic exploitation is more familiar.

 

[Valetic]

Once God created the Earth, and it had a few million years to cool, simple organisms gradually evolved. As time went on, they adapted to every kind of available habitat - fresh water, salt water, soil, and even the bodies of other organisms.

Is that a joke or have you actually read the bible, or have you read it and just don't believe it? The burden of proof is on you now because of that statement.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Is that a joke or have you actually read the bible, or have you read it and just don't believe it? The burden of proof is on you now because of that statement.

Is it really a "burden of proof" since it cannot be proven (what they said) ?

 

[Valetic]

Is it really a "burden of proof" since it cannot be proven (what they said) ?

Yes it is a burden. Hahaha.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

The Creation week likely describes the construction of Paradise rather than our Cosmos.
Remember that man was removed from Paradise and never allowed back in.
So this is not that place.

Best answer yet. They were told that on the day they ate the fruit they would die. People think that Adam and Eve did not die, but God was true to his word. They died and went to what was Paradise's equivalent of Hell, which was halfway to Hell, which is here. Where they had previously known only good, they now knew both good and evil (by experience).

In physics it is entropy, the recognition that everything is in a state of decay. Biblically this is death.

This is a true statement. Death and life are both powered by the same force. Life merely takes it more slowly and looks prettier. Both are manifestations of the same thing. All of life's physical evils can be explained by entropy, or the tendency to diverge from an ideal state. All of life's spiritual evils can be explained by the same process on a spiritual level, a process we know as sin.

 

[Valetic]

They were told that on the day they ate the fruit they would die. People think that Adam and Eve did not die, but God was true to his word. They died and went to what was Paradise's equivalent of Hell, which was halfway to Hell, which is here. Where they had previously known only good, they now knew both good and evil (by experience).

So paradise wasn't here at one time? They were merely translated here? That's very confusing to someone like me who takes the creation story literally. Me theory is that they were clothed with heavenly garments and after partaking the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they found themselves "naked". But I also believe they wore their heavenly garments even while residing on earth as perfect human beings.

 

[Chinchilla]

So paradise wasn't here at one time? They were merely translated here? That's very confusing to someone like me who takes the creation story literally. Me theory is that they were clothed with heavenly garments and after partaking the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they found themselves "naked". But I also believe they wore their heavenly garments even while residing on earth as perfect human beings.

I always thought that God was teaching them what is sacrifice with providing these skins for them because later we see Cain and Abel doing sacrifices .

 

[gideon123]

God is the Creator of the entire Web of Life. It is a remarkable diversity, and all the creatures depend on each other. Even the creatures that seem to be harmful to us ... they are essential to this system of life.

Therefore, we must respect the wisdom of the Lord!!

For the same reason ... the diversity is tremendously important. For too long, Christians have not supported the protection of the environment. But they need to give strong support. How many planets do you want God to make for you? Isnt the Earth enough ... isnt this world already a great blessing? Therefore, if we trash this planet, why should we deserve another?

Viruses, parasites, sharks, germs ...they are all a part of the Web of Life. Although they seem.harmful, they all have important roles.

But Biologists have given a strong warning. The Earth is over-populated with humans. Species are being destroyed at a rapid rate, a collapse in natural diversity is coming. Christians need to listen and respond.

The wisdom of God is great.
We must respect all the life He has given us.

Blessings!!