Did God Create Fossils?

[ClothedInGrace]

ISAIAH 45:18
18 For thus saith 1the LORD °That created the heavens;
God Himself °That formed the earth and °made it;
he hath established it, °He created it not °in vain,
He formed it to be inhabited: "I am 1the LORD;
and there is none else.

God.

You're ignoring all the other uses for the words.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

It doesn't matter what He is or is not able to do. What matters is what He actually did. His Word says it was done in 6 days, and now that unbelievers have their hands on dating methods and fossils many professing believers are abandoning God's Word. Macroevolution and billions of years are simply incompatible with scripture's testimony of how it was done. Professing Christians who accept these things are a laughing stock among the scientific community because even they know that it is incompatible with God's Word, and to force it into the text is a laughable stretch to keep one's belief in the God of scripture.

It also says He did it in a day comprised of generations.
It is just not as simple as repeating the phrase "6 days 6 days" over and over.

Gen 2:
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.

Who cares who is laughing? They laugh anyways. The world hates everyone who calls on the name of the Lord and live for His Word and His righteousness. That is both of us. So lets be friends that disagree and not demagogue each other. He is Lord and He created all things. I can live with that!
But consider the fact that faith is evidence of things not seen.
It does not say that faith is the denial of things that are. Fossils and a 14 billion year old universe are not evil nor are they planted by God to deceive us. Denying they exist is not faith. I can live with that to! I cannot always explain the how and why... but that is ok too.

 

[Riberra]

You're ignoring all the other uses for the words.

ISAIAH 45:18 tell us clearly that
God have not originally created the Earth a desolate place... in vain .... an undistinguishable ruin:—emptiness, void.The Earth became that way Genesis 1:2...

tôhûw, to'-hoo; from an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), i.e. desert; figuratively, a worthless thing; adverbially, in vain:—confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.

בֹּהוּ bôhûw, bo'-hoo; from an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, i.e. (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin:—emptiness, void.

Both of these words together simply mean that the earth was empty and useless. Not that it was destroyed. The reason the words are sometimes associated with destruction is because after destruction something becomes empty and useless.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

It also says He did it in a day comprised of generations.
It is just not as simple as repeating the phrase "6 days 6 days" over and over.

Gen 2:
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.

Who cares who is laughing? They laugh anyways. The world hates everyone who calls on the name of the Lord and live for His Word and His righteousness. That is both of us. So lets be friends that disagree and not demagogue each other. He is Lord and He created all things. I can live with that!
But consider the fact that faith is evidence of things not seen.
It does not say that faith is the denial of things that are. Fossils and a 14 billion year old universe are not evil nor are they planted by God to deceive us. Denying they exist is not faith. I can live with that to! I cannot always explain the how and why... but that is ok too.

This is the word for "generations" in your translation:

תּוֹלְדָה tôwlᵉdâh, to-led-aw'; or תֹּלְדָה tôlᵉdâh; from H3205; (plural only) descent, i.e. family; (figuratively) history:—birth, generations.

It means the history or birth of the heavens and the earth. It is not talking about genealogies or generations. This is the word that would be used if it was talking about generations of time:

דּוֹר dôwr, dore; or (shortened) דֹּר dôr; from H1752; properly, a revolution of time, i.e. an age or generation; also a dwelling:—age, × evermore, generation, (n-) ever, posterity.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

ISAIAH 45:18 tell us clearly that
God have not originally created the Earth a desolate place.... an undistinguishable ruin:—emptiness, void.The Earth became that way ...

tôhûw, to'-hoo; from an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), i.e. desert; figuratively, a worthless thing; adverbially, in vain:—confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.

בֹּהוּ bôhûw, bo'-hoo; from an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, i.e. (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin:—emptiness, void.

Again, you ignore all the other uses for the words to fit your view of the creation.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

This is the word for "generations" in your translation:

תּוֹלְדָה tôwlᵉdâh, to-led-aw'; or תֹּלְדָה tôlᵉdâh; from H3205; (plural only) descent, i.e. family; (figuratively) history:—birth, generations.

It means the history or birth of the heavens and the earth. It is not talking about genealogies or generations. This is the word that would be used if it was talking about generations of time:

דּוֹר dôwr, dore; or (shortened) דֹּר dôr; from H1752; properly, a revolution of time, i.e. an age or generation; also a dwelling:—age, × evermore, generation, (n-) ever, posterity.

And this?
"in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heavens"

 

[Riberra]

Again, you ignore all the other uses for the words to fit your view of the creation.

Again , you are ignoring Isaiah 45:18 who speak about the Earth which was created perfect and habitable by God in Genesis 1:1 ....who became in the state mentionned in Genesis 1:2

Isaiah 45:18
18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens;God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

http://www.therain.org/appendixes/isa4518.html#g12

 

[ClothedInGrace]

And this?
"in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heavens"

Day in this verse is yom:

יוֹם yôwm, yome; from an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literal (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figurative (a space of time defined by an associated term)

The associated term in this verse is the time it took for God to make the earth and the heavens. In Genesis 1, however, the term yom is defined by the ereb (evening/sunset) and boqer (morning/sunrise), making it a literal day.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

Again , you are ignoring Isaiah 45:18 who speak about the Earth which was created perfect and habitable by God in Genesis 1:1 ....who became in the state mentionned in Genesis 1:2

Isaiah 45:18
18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens;God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

But you assume those words mean vain, which they don't mean in that context. They mean't that the world was empty and useless, and it needed to be filled with more of God's creations until it was fully useful and habitable. Tell me, could a human being live in a Genesis 1:2 world? No, because He wasn't done creating--that would be on the 7th day.

 

[Riberra]

Day in this verse is yom:

יוֹם yôwm, yome; from an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literal (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figurative (a space of time defined by an associated term)

The associated term in this verse is the time it took for God to make the earth and the heavens. In Genesis 1, however, the term yom is defined by the ereb (evening/sunset) and boqer (morning/sunrise), making it a literal day.

-in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heavens-
Refers to Genesis 1:1

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

-in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heavens-
Refers to Genesis 1:1

In the beginning God created..

No, Genesis 1:1 is an introduction. The creation was not finished until the 6th day.

 

[Riberra]

No, Genesis 1:1 is an introduction.

You don't believe that God have created the Heaven and -the Earth perfect and habitable- right there in Genesis 1:1 ?
Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Isaiah 45:18
18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens;God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

You don't believe that God have created the Heaven and -the Earth perfect and habitable- right there in Genesis 1:2 ?

He could have, but he didn't, BECAUSE THAT IS NOT WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS. Can you just get go read Genesis 1 for me and come back?

 

[stephen583]

After Cain killed Able he left his parents tribe for the land of the Nodites where he found a wife and built a city. Cain feared leaving because of people out on a populated earth. Even God agreed according to the story.

Correct. But who were the people of Nod ?! Where did they come from ?! Who became Cain's wife ?! Some Bible scholars suppose the inhabitants of Nod were other descendants of Adam and Eve. However, this theory violates the biblical narrative, which mentions no other descendants of Adam at this point in the story. So that theory is based on unbiblical conjecture. Adam and Eve do not have another son until Seth is conceived, to replace Able whom Cain slew, (Genesis 4:25).

Nor is it plausible Cain could even have gone to other descendants of Adam and married or lived with them, because Cain was cursed by God and would have been recognized immediately by any of Adam's descendants because of the mark he carried on his forehead, (Genesis 4:15). Even if Cain returned hundreds of years later, (as some have proposed), the mark would still be evident, and identify him as being banished and cursed. So it's clear, Cain never returned to live with the descendants of Adam and Eve.

So we're left with the disturbing question.. Who were the people of Nod ? Where did they come from ? Apparently, they were not the descendants of Adam, because they permitted Cain to marry and live among them. That seems to me like a reasonable conclusion.

Were the people of Nod actually Non-Adamic creations ?! Homo sapiens that survived into the early Neolithic Period ??? I wonder about that sometimes.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

Correct. But who were the people of Nod ?! Where did they come from ?! Who became Cain's wife ?! Some Bible scholars theorize the inhabitants of Nod were other descendants of Adam and Eve. However, this theory violates the biblical narrative, which mentions no other descendants of Adam at this point in the story. Adam and Eve do not have another son until Seth is conceived, to replace Able whom Cain slew, (Genesis 4:25).

Nor is it plausible Cain could even have gone to other descendants of Adam and married or lived with them, because Cain was cursed by God and would have been recognized immediately by any of Adam's descendants because of the mark he carried on his forehead, (Genesis 4:15). Even if Cain returned hundreds of years later, (as some have proposed), the mark would still be evident, and identify him as being banished and cursed.

So we're left with the disturbing question.. Who were the people of Nod ? Where did they come from ? Apparently, they were not the descendants of Adam, because they permitted Cain to marry and live among them. That seems to me like the logical conclusion.

We are not told how much time had passed before the killing of Abel. Adam lived 930 years, so who's to say his other children did not migrate and have their own child before the curse of Cain?

 

[Riberra]

He could have, but he didn't, BECAUSE THAT IS NOT WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS. Can you just get go read Genesis 1 for me and come back?

I have done it ,and i have also find Isaiah 45:18 who say that God created it not in vain (Tohuw...Bohuw), he formed it to be inhabited
Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Isaiah 45:18
18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens;God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

 

[jasonwrites]

I believe God's word. I'll say it again: Evolution is stupid. To make things clear, I am of course talking about macroevolution, not variation within a kind. This is not pride: It's logic and faith in God's word. People did not even believe in evolution 200 years ago, so why should I--as a Child of God--accept man's theories over God's word? In 6 days God created the world and everything in it, and He rested on the 7th day. That's the Bible: That's truth.

It's possible that God means us to learn more about how the universe actually works. Science is our means of slowly discovering the wonder and mystery of Creation. The Bible is a collection of writings composed over the course of a few centuries, the most recent of which was written over 1,900 years ago. It was written in a pre-scientific world. Evolution had to be discovered in the same way that we discovered that disease is caused by microorganisms, and not always unclean spirits. We discovered that the Earth revolves around the Sun, and not the other way around, and the stars are other suns, not pinpricks in the firmament of heaven. The Genesis account has plants appearing the day before the Sun does! As another poster has mentioned, Jesus himself spoke in parables. It is possible that Genesis is a symbolic story meant to define the best understanding the ancient Hebrews possessed. To doubt its literality does not also amount to doubting God is the ultimate and eternal Creator. In this life we see through a glass darkly, and that includes our interpretation of scripture.

 

[stephen583]

We are not told how much time had passed before the killing of Abel. Adam lived 930 years, so who's to say his other children did not migrate and have their own child before the curse of Cain?

Still, these other (proposed), descendants of Adam would have had to recognize Cain's curse and banish him as well, wouldn't they ??? Being cursed and banished by God was a serious deal back then, wasn't it ?!

 

[ClothedInGrace]

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[ClothedInGrace]

Still, these other (proposed), descendants of Adam would have had to recognize Cain's curse and banish him as well, wouldn't they ??? Being cursed and banished by God was a serious deal back then, wasn't it ?!

The curse was that the ground would not give him crops, that he would be a wanderer, and that anyone who killed him would be avenged seven times over. It was not that people would banish him.