Did God Create Fossils?

Colter · Apr 13, 2016

Hieronymus said:
Genetics and historic records prove otherwise.

Wait, iĺl post a lecture on it.

We are all more or less related, just not to Noah 4,500 years ago.

Hieronymus · Apr 13, 2016

Colter said:
We are all more or less related, just not to Noah 4,500 years ago.

I have linked to ample evidence, you choose what you do with it.

Colter · Apr 13, 2016

Hieronymus said:
Genetics and historic records prove otherwise.

A short video:

A long video:

and:

and:

Sorry Hieronymus, all quackery, wishful thinking an the part of Bible worshipers. Noah's world wide flood was an invention of the Hebrew priesthood who, in their arrogance, were trying to show their bloodlines went back to Adam.

Hieronymus · Apr 13, 2016

Colter said:
Sorry Hieronymus, all quackery, wishful thinking an the part of Bible worshipers.

In other words, you choose to deny the evidence by ignoring it..

Noah's world wide flood was an invention of the Hebrew priesthood who, in their arrogance, were trying to show their bloodlines went back to Adam.

You have no evidence.

Colter · Apr 13, 2016

Hieronymus said:
In other words, you choose to deny the evidence by ignoring it..

You have no evidence.

No, I live in the real world where facts aren't bent to fit Bronze age ignorance. You are projecting your own mental blocks onto me.

There are cultures on earth much older than the YEC beliefs of the Semites.

Hieronymus · Apr 13, 2016

Colter said:
No,

Yes, because you dismiss it before you look.

I live in the real world where facts aren't bent to fit Bronze age ignorance. You are projecting your own mental blocks onto me.

Again, you have no evidence for what you say.

There are cultures on earth much older than the YEC beliefs of the Semites.

Has nothing to do with a young earth, it is science, based on scientific data.

I guess it's better to ignore you from now on.
Because you're even in denial of your own denial.
So it's useless.

Colter · Apr 13, 2016

Pick any one of a number of cultures much older than the Hebrews unscientific "chosen people "delusion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Indigenous_Australians

Colter · Apr 13, 2016

Hieronymus said:
Yes,because you dismiss it before you look.Again, you have no evidence for what you say.Has nothing to do with a young earth, it is science, based on scientific data.

I guess it's better to ignore you from now on.
Because you're even in denial of your own denial.
So it's useless.

Go ahead, you have reality on your ignore list already lest it prove your pet theories wrong.

Hieronymus · Apr 13, 2016

Colter said:
Pick any one of a number of cultures much older than the Hebrews unscientific "chosen people "delusion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Indigenous_Australians

You don't even know what you disagree with, because you refuse to look.
A wiki link doesn't change that.
Only you can change that by looking at what you don't want to see.
But you don't want to so you don't.

Have a nice day, cowboy.

Colter · Apr 13, 2016

Hieronymus said:
You don't even know what you disagree with, because you refuse to look.
A wiki link doesn't change that.
Only you can change that by looking at what you don't want to see.
But you don't want to so you don't.

Have a nice day, cowboy.

I know a lot about what I disagree with, I've seen these quacks before. They aren't unbiased scientist at all. And they lack common sense.

Billions of people believe that God wrote the Quran, but that's not true. People can believe things that are not true.

So much of what YEC know isn't so.

Riberra · Apr 13, 2016

BobRyan said:
Hoghead1 said:

No, sorry, that does not work, Riberra. The Bible does not speak of any preAdamites.

Click to expand...

Well that is true...

On the 6 Th Day God created mankind with all the different races ,male and female he created them....and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth

Genesis 1:27-28
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it:

It seem that Adam and Eve were not in a hurry to get a third child after Cain and Abel... Why is that (?) ,if Adam and Eve are the same that God created on the 6th day as you have been teached ...there is something who don't add up ?Why Adam and Eve have not respected God's command to be fruitfull and replenish the earth but rather chosed to be sedentary farmer (tiller of the ground)?

Genesis 5:1-5
1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:

4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:

7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:

8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.

9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:

BobRyan · Apr 13, 2016

Riberra said:
On the 6 Th Day God created mankind with all the different races ,male and female he created them....

Not according to the actual Bible. Two humans - Adam and Eve - male and female -- both created on day 6.

Genesis 1:27-28
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” 29 Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you

Gen 2
6 But a mist used to rise from the earth and water the whole surface of the ground. 7 Then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being

20 The man gave names to all the cattle, and to the birds of the sky, and to every beast of the field, but for Adam there was not found a helper suitable for him. 21 So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place. 22 The Lord God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man. 23 The man said,
“This is now bone of my bones,
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man.”

1 Tim 2
13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. 14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.

Acts 17:26 (KJV)
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

NASB
26 and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation,

Woman was made directly from the rib of man -- by the hand of God.
Man was made directly from the ground -- by the hand of God.

BobRyan · Apr 13, 2016

Hieronymus said:
Genetics and historic records prove otherwise.

A short video:

Nice video - thanks!

BobRyan · Apr 13, 2016

A short video:

http://www.icr.org/article/genetics-research-confirms-biblical/

Colter said:
Sorry Hieronymus, all quackery, wishful thinking

You neglected to watch the video ? You refuted the entire human genome project -- in one detail-avoiding dismissal??

is that how faith in evolutionism is "maintained"?

Hieronymus said:
You don't even know what you disagree with, because you refuse to look.

Apparently that is how "faith" in evolutionism is "maintained".

In a 2012 Science report, geneticists analyzed DNA sequences of 15,585 protein-coding gene regions in the human genome for 1,351 European Americans and 1,088 African Americans for rare DNA variation.1,2 This new study accessed rare coding variation in 15,336 genes from over 6,500 humans—almost three times the amount of data compared to the first study.3 A separate group of researchers performed the new study.

The Nature results convey a second spectacular confirmation of the amazingly biblical conclusions from the first study. These scientists confirmed that the human genome began to rapidly diversify not more than 5,000 years ago. In addition, they found significant levels of variation to be associated with degradation of the human genome, not forward evolutionary progress. This fits closely with research performed by Cornell University geneticist John Sanford who demonstrated through biologically realistic population genetic modeling that genomes actually devolve over time in a process called genetic entropy.5

Turns out the Journal of Nature, Science and Cornell are all wrong if their observations in nature - reflect poorly on blind faith evolutionism.

in Christ,

Bob

Riberra · Apr 13, 2016

BobRyan said:
Not according to the actual Bible. Two humans - Adam and Eve - male and female -- both created on day 6.

If you take the time to look for the usage of the word -man- in Hebrew...you will notice some nuance depending of the usage of the article or not.
Details here:
http://www.therain.org/appendixes/app14.html

I. 'Adam, without the article, denotes man or mankind in general (Genesis 1:26; 2:5; 5:1, followed by plural pronoun). With the article, it denotes the man, Adam, though rendered "man" in Genesis 2:7, 8, 15, 16, 19 (margin), 22 (twice); 3:12, 22, 24; 5:1; 6:1 (rendered "men"), 2, 3, 4. After this, the Hebrew 'Adam = man or men, is used of the descendants of Adam. Hence, Christ is called "the son of Adam", not a son of Enosh.
With the particle Hebrew eth 1k ('eth) in addition to the article it is very emphatic, and means self, very, this same, this very. See Genesis 2:7 (first occurrence), 8, 15.

Adam and Eve got their third child at the age of 130 years.... which mean that after 130 years there was only 4 humans on the Earth.... very slow reproductive process.

Genesis 5
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:
4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

BobRyan · Apr 14, 2016

Riberra said:
Adam and Eve got their third child at the age of 130 years.... which mean that after 130 years there was only 4 humans on the Earth.... very slow reproductive process.

True but they had Cain and Able and whoever Cain said he was going to marry - before that. They lived to 900+ years of age. In the lineage record of Genesis 5 some folks did have children before 130 years of age

Enos has his first child at 90.

Cainan had is first at 70

Mahalaleel had his first at 65

Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years before his first.

Enoch lived sixty and five years before his first child

Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, before having Noah.

And Noah waits 500 years before having children which means he has children about 20 years after being told to build the ark.

Riberra · Apr 14, 2016

BobRyan said:
True but they had Cain and Able AND whoever Cain said he was going to marry - before that.

-From where came your claim that Adam and Eve bare other childs than Cain and Abel before than Seth was born when Adam and Eve were aged 130 years old?

The Bible sequence tell us that Adam and Eve got their third child -Seth- at the age of 130 years ...only after than Seth was born the Bible tell us that Adam and Eve bare other children -sons and daughters:

Lets do some calculation.
-Adam and Eve bare Cain and Abel (Genesis 4:1-2) = 4 humans on the Earth at this point.
-Cain kill Abel--------------------------(Genesis 4:8...) = 3 humans on the Earth at this point
-God punish Cain Genesis 4:11-24 Cain became a vagabon and meet his wife in the Land of Nod located east of Eden.

Questions:
-What is the origin of Cain's wife... at this point there is only 3 humans on the Earth?
-Who were the people that Cain was afraid that they could kill him (Genesis 4:13-15) ?

The sequence of Genesis 4:11-24 tell us clealy that Adam and Eve bare Seth their third child (Genesis 4:25-26)long after that Cain have killed his twin brother Abel ... which is backed by Genesis 5:3 Adam and Eve were 130 years old.

Genesis 4:25-26
25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.

BobRyan · Apr 14, 2016

Riberra said:
-From where came your claim that Adam and Eve bare other childs than Cain and Abel before than Seth

Chapter 4 Cain and Able are the two sons of Adam and Eve.
Chapter 5 Adam has another son - Seth.

Every Christian group on the planet has pretty much admitted to these basic facts.

Riberra · Apr 14, 2016

BobRyan said:
Chapter 4 Cain and Able are the two sons of Adam and Eve.
Chapter 5 Adam has another son - Seth.

Every Christian group on the planet has pretty much admitted to these basic facts.

Yes, Cain and Abel are the two sons of Adam and Eve .
Yes, Adam has another son - Seth when Adam was aged 130 years old.

Where did i said otherwise ?

You on the other hand claim that Adam and Eve have conceived other children than Cain and Abel before that Seth was born.

BobRyan · Apr 15, 2016

Riberra said:
Yes, Cain and Abel are the two sons of Adam and Eve .
Yes, Adam has another son - Seth when Adam was aged 130 years old.

Where did i said otherwise ?

You on the other hand claim that Adam and Eve have conceived other children than Cain and Abel before that Seth was born.

The text says that Cain married -- this is not the hard part.

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