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We learn to accept the Word of God - as they did rather than constantly 'telling our own stories'.
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If we learned anything from the experience of the prophets and the Son of God it's to keep an open mind.
In #491 Hoghead1 claims that Elhanan killed Goliath.
Is this true?
The Bible has three versions of the event covering Goliath or his brother’s death:
1 Samuel 16-18 Three whole chapters of the encounter between only David and Goliath,
2 Samuel 21:19 where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim slew Goliath the Gittite,
and 1 Chronicles 20:5 where Elhanan the son of Jair slew Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite.
A copyist error has been made here somewhere, but let’s investigate the history of copyist errors now.
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No, sorry, that does not work, Riberra. The Bible does not speak of any preAdamites.
I think people should question the scientific method of carbon dating. Did you know there was a mythbuster episode that proved carbon dating to be false/ as in its not accurate. They put a piece of sweaty cloth in an oven at low heat for 3 days, when they carbon dated the piece it showed up as being over 600 years old. So for instance, some fossils contain more carbon than others not because of age but because of the heat, rain, and minerals in certain regions.
There is no proof that carbon dating is dead on accurate yet people seem to throw reason out the window when a super "smart" person just says so. So in theory you have to have faith that scientists are telling the truth making people slaves to scientific reason.
That's Paul's gospel but he can't be blamed, he never knew Jesus.
The lake of fire was made up by people who have no better ideas
Im a student of the Urantia revelation, it has the history of the planet as well as the entire life of Jesus, aka Christ Michael.Having rejected the Bible account of that history - how do you have any clue as to what the Jews did or did not do with Christ or what his teachings even were??
I see how easy it was for the priest class to control the message by first establishing their writings as Gods. From there it's manipulation and oppression.Carbon dating has a starting premise - which is that the concentration of C-14 in the atmosphere during the life of the organism is the same as it is today. So then c-14 'not building up' over time nor is it "allowed" that any starting conditions or environmental "canopy" could possibly exist that might "affect" atheist assumptions for the timeline.
Lots of "ifs" in that bit of story telling used by the radiometric model for detecting age..
How do you know that he did not see Jesus as he claims he did -- were you there? Did you get the video?
Denying the Rev 20 Lake of Fire event that is predicted to happen in Rev 20 after the 1000 year millennium - was made up by people who can't afford to admit to the truth.
You can post your bias - I can post mine - but mine is from the actual Word of God.
See how easy that is??
Why not try out something more objective?
Carbon dating has a starting premise - which is that the concentration of C-14 in the atmosphere during the life of the organism is the same as it is today. So then c-14 'not building up' over time nor is it "allowed" that any starting conditions or environmental "canopy" could possibly exist that might "affect" atheist assumptions for the timeline.
Lots of "ifs" in that bit of story telling used by the radiometric model for detecting age..
How do you know that he did not see Jesus as he claims he did -- were you there? Did you get the video?
Denying the Rev 20 Lake of Fire event that is predicted to happen in Rev 20 after the 1000 year millennium - was made up by people who can't afford to admit to the truth.
You can post your bias - I can post mine - but mine is from the actual Word of God.
See how easy that is??
Why not try out something more objective?
If we learned anything from the experience of the prophets and the Son of God it's to keep an open mind.
Jesus did:Hi colter,
Honestly, in my many, many hours of studying the Scriptures, I never found that truth.
God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
Jesus did:
2929 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous,30 saying, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’31 Thus you witness against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets.32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers.33 You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?34 Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town,35 so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah,[f] whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar.36 Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah,[f] whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar.36 Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.
God is teaching us to search for living truth, for the living Word. The Jews had fixed ideas about themselves based on the writings of their own holy men. Jesus asked us to love as he loved, yet we have added so much more to a religion about him.Hi colter,
And from that you have gleaned that God is teaching us to have an open mind? To me it teaches just the opposite. The Jews were so open minded that they forsook the truth of God for what they had gleaned from their open mindedness rather than following what God had told them. I guess it's a matter of perspective.
God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
Many contemporary biblical scholars into the Higher Criticism are ordained clergy. The Higher Criticism is taught in many seminaries.
The bottom line is that after the captivity the Hebrew preist redacted their entire history, they converted a secular history into a miraculous one. There is no secular history of the Jews that accompanies their religious history. Secular history books mentioned in their scriptures ironically were not preserved.
God is teaching us to search for living truth, for the living Word. The Jews had fixed ideas about themselves based on the writings of their own holy men. Jesus asked us to love as he loved, yet we have added so much more to a religion about him.
Hi colter,
I agree that the Jews had fixed ideas about themselves, but I don't believe the source of those fixed ideas was the writings of the holy jewish men who wrote the Scriptures. Rather they were the ideas of their holy men who served as priests and leaders. But the problem, as I see it, was that they allowed themselves to be open minded to ideas and teachings that were not a part of the Scriptures.
This is exactly the same thing that happens with people today. Rather than sticking to and obeying the pure word of truth that came from God, we want to tickle our imagination and our thoughts with new and different ideas. Ideas that we think are better and more sensible and logical. Ideas that appease our understanding of things. All of the new covenant writers warned us of such thinking. Paul wrote to Timothy of a time coming when people would no longer put up with sound doctrine, but rather surround themselves with those who would tell them what their itching ears wanted to hear. Peter wrote of wolves among the sheep. Those who find the Scriptures hard to understand. Who secretly introduce false heresies and teach fabricated stories.
You and I don't agree on much and it's very possible that we never will.
God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
Yes, the UB comes from celestial beings who have been on the earth and beyond from the time that life began on our evolved earth. We have the entire life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth now. Another massive revelation has occurred, it is the Bible of the next age.This is a statement of faith based upon much less evidence than Holy Scripture has presented to us.
Please don't use the UB as a source to justify this statement. The UB must be much older in order to have real-time knowledge of the actions of priests in the Old Testament, but then it wouldn't have the long pedigree necessarily to show that careful copyists passed it down to us (at least as careful as the scribes handling the Bible. Keep in mind that the Dead Sea Scrolls included a copy of the book of Isaiah that was 1,000 years older than any existent copy and showed essentially no changes in those thousand years of copying. Does your UB have such a sterling pedigree?)
It just never occurs to bible worshipers that some of the authors of scripture thought themselves wise. No, it's always those who question their inconsistencies. The Shamans set up such a wonderful, profitable system for themselves.I don't have any statement I'm responding to, just a general statement about belief in the whole Bible:
When man sins, God seeks reconciliation (that means, to bring man back to Himself). This activity of God is shown in popular verses:
Ps. 139 - Verses such as "Where can I go from Your Spirit? ...to heaven ...to hell ...to darkness?" Yet God pursues to find the lost, even when those lost are fleeing Him.
Hosea 8 - With verses like "Israel is swallowed up; Now they are among the Gentiles like a vessel in which there is no pleasure. For they have gone up to Assyria, like a wild donkey alone by itself; Ephraim has hired lovers. Yes, though they have hired among the nations, now I will gather them." God seeks even those unfaithful to Him.
The words of Christ on the cross, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."
This is the heart of God, revealed in both the Old Testament and the New.
The Jews in both Testaments tried to destroy the message.
The Romans tried to kill off believers and destroy Bibles carrying this message.
Gnostics from the first century on have tried to distort the message so it supported their own imaginings.
Now the scourge of the 20th and 21st centuries, the Higher Critics try to distort the clear message of God.
Higher Critics have persisted in this string trying to tell us that our Bible sounds an unclear message.
Keep in mind God's attitude toward men who think themselves wise: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise" and "I will use the foolish to confound the wise". Who claims to be wise today? Who would be the recipient of God's confounding in our day?
God loves the simple. He reaches out to them.
The Gnostic message has always been, "We are wise. Come to us if you want to find your way to God."
Who are the modern day Gnostics?
Who are the simple loved by God and blessed by God?
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