Did God change?

[sungaunga]

Msg from God. "For I, the LORD, do not change"

seriously, for God to change that would mean either He's gotten better, or gotten worse. He can't for He's already perfect.

 

[Frogster]

Msg from God. "For I, the LORD, do not change"

seriously, for God to change that would mean either He's gotten better, or gotten worse. He can't for He's already perfect.

well..ya kinda gotta stoning God,and then ya gotta non stoning God.

Moses was afraid at the mountain,Jesus was approachable to all.

 

[Yarddog]

Hmmmm..would Jesus whip even an enemy?

Do you see a change?

Many unfaithful people died in the OT.
Exodus 13:

15 When Pharaoh stubbornly refused to let us go, the LORD killed every first-born in the land of Egypt, every first-born of man and of beast. That is why I sacrifice to the LORD everything of the male sex that opens the womb, and why I redeem every first-born of my sons.'



2 Samuel 24:
14 David answered Gad: "I am in very serious difficulty. Let us fall by the hand of God, for he is most merciful; but let me not fall by the hand of man."
15 Thus David chose the pestilence. Now it was the time of the wheat harvest when the plague broke out among the people. (The LORD then sent a pestilence over Israel from morning until the time appointed, and seventy thousand of the people from Dan to Beer-sheba died.)
2 Kings 19:
35 That night the angel of the LORD went forth and struck down one hundred and eighty-five thousand men in the Assyrian camp. Early the next morning, there they were, all the corpses of the dead.

The NT also has its death.

Acts 5:

4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain yours? And when it was sold, was it not still under your control? Why did you contrive this deed? You have lied not to human beings, but to God."
5 When Ananias heard these words, he fell down and breathed his last, and great fear came upon all who heard of it.
10 At once, she fell down at his feet and breathed her last. When the young men entered they found her dead, so they carried her out and buried her beside her husband.

The faithful do not die by an act of God, but the unfaithful have. He is just in whatever he does.

 

[Jishuku]

Would you like to buy a vowel

Don't mock what you don't understand.

"
Question: Why do some Jews spell God, "G-d"?
Answer: God's name is treated with unusual care in Jewish tradition. The divine name, YHWH (spelled with the Hebrew letters yud, hey, vav, hey) is never pronounced. Traditionally, Jews read the word "Adonai" (often translated as "the Lord") whenever reading God's holiest name in Torah or in prayer. However, "Adonai" is not God's name.

Among some traditional Jews, speaking even the word "Adonai" is avoided outside of worship or study. This "stand-in" for God's name is itself replaced by "Ha-Shem" ("The Name"). The practice also has been extended to other Hebrew words associated with God. For example, the Hebrew word "Elohim," which means "God" (the title, not God's name), is pronounced "Elokim" outside of prayer and study.

In recent years, some Jews have carried the practice even further by abstaining from writing the English word "God" and substituting the spelling, "G-d" or "Gd." However, there is no prohibition in Jewish law from writing "God" in any language other than Hebrew. In fact, there is an often repeated story about Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchik, z"l, one of the foremost authorities of Modern Orthodoxy, who intentionally would write and erase the word "God" (in English) on the blackboard in front of his students at Yeshiva University in order to emphasize the fact this is not prohibited by Jewish law.

Some Reform Jews observe the custom of spelling God as "G-d." Most do not. In any case, it would be inappropriate and opposed to Jewish values to correct or shame a person for keeping this practice if it is done out of respect and reverence for God."

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

well..ya kinda gotta stoning God,and then ya gotta non stoning God.

Moses was afraid at the mountain,Jesus was approachable to all.

What is your view of the "Hail" in Revelation?

John 10:33 And the Judeans answered Him saying "about a good work not we are Stoning Thee, but about blasphemy, and that Thou being a man are making thyself a god".

Reve 16:21 And great Hail as talent-weight is descending out of the Heaven upon the Men.
And the men blaspheme the God out of the blow of the Hail, that great is the blow of it/her, tremendous.
[Ezekiel 38:22]

Reve 16 and Great Hail question - Christian Forums
Reve 16 and Great Hail question

 

[Lulav]

So instead of answering my rebuttals you resort to once again laughing at me, that's fine I don't mind, I am used to it by those who do not follow any of G-ds laws. One of which is to have respect for his Holy name. Now of course G-d is not his name, but it is used in the English as a substitution. It is holy, and as such when I type it I give respect to him who is above all else. If you find that something to make fun of and get your jollies from, you don't have to answer to me for it.

Frogster

Originally Posted by Lulav

Frogster, do you not believe that Jesus is G-d?
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Who is G-D? I am not familiar with initials.

You aren't? funny I seem to remember lots of posts you made where you kept writing 'sab', took me awhile to figure out you weren't mis-pelling Saab.

It's funny I read once where most people can read a whole sentence without the vowels, that our minds don't need to see them to add them and thus make sense of the words. Most words you only need the first and last letter. I see they didn't mean all people. Do you really read all the letters in a word? I know you don't read all the words in a sentence, you've proved that by what you like to miss in Pauls writings.

Why do you say G-d instead of God you have fears of o's or something?

James, did you know that your name in Hebrew is Jacob? And Hebrew does not have any vowels. I have no fear of vowels but I fear the L-RD as a wise person should. When you see G-d and if you were asked to read that outloud, you couldn't figure out what it says. Hw abt ths, cn you rd ths sntnc?

Maybe it's a culture thing?
I wondered that myself, but.. she did use the o's in the rest of the words.....

"Fr-gster, d- y-u n-t believe that Jesus is G-d?"

Oh LL, you are just so funny, and fit right in with the youngsters here in making fun like the leader in a crowd of bullies, you must be so proud of yourself!

I'm sure you have been in the MJ and MW forums long enough to know why, and I'm sure you do, but it's more fun to join your friends in redicule of me, isn't it? But it's not really me who you are ridiculing.

we could start a thread,and see how long we can go,without using o's

Yes, see how close to the edge you want to mock.

Would you like to buy a vowel

Do you mean a vwel?

No, I think he meant a vwl. 'e' is a vowel, JSUK.

Here you go Frogster, here's one from your favorite book:

Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived ; God is not mocked : for whatsoever a man soweth , that shall he also reap .

I'm glad I could provide your comedy relief for the week, now do you think we could get back to the OP. I gave respect to the question at hand and made serious answers, anyone brave enough to comment? Or are you'all still at recess?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

*snip*

So instead of answering my rebuttals you resort to once again laughing at me, that's fine I don't mind, I am used to it by those who do not follow any of G-ds laws. One of which is to have respect for his Holy name. Now of course G-d is not his name, but it is used in the English as a substitution. It is holy, and as such when I type it I give respect to him who is above all else. If you find that something to make fun of and get your jollies from, you don't have to answer to me for it.

Greetings.
Why not just use "YHWH"? As Elohiym is normally used for "God" in the OT. [That is what I use in my own translations]. It also doesn't have vowels. Just curious

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Gene 2:4 these generations/annals/towl@dah of the heavens and the land in to be creating of them in day of to make of YHWH 'Elohiym land and-heavens

 

[Frogster]

I just cant imagine Jesus whipping or stoning someone.


Yet,we see his own laws said to do it.

Try to imagine a man held on the ground,and Jesus draws back that whip,and begins snapping the whip 39 times,shredding a mans back open.

I cetainly can't.Maybe others can.

 

[Frogster]

Don't mock what you don't understand.

"
Question: Why do some Jews spell God, "G-d"?
Answer: God's name is treated with unusual care in Jewish tradition. The divine name, YHWH (spelled with the Hebrew letters yud, hey, vav, hey) is never pronounced. Traditionally, Jews read the word "Adonai" (often translated as "the Lord") whenever reading God's holiest name in Torah or in prayer. However, "Adonai" is not God's name.

Among some traditional Jews, speaking even the word "Adonai" is avoided outside of worship or study. This "stand-in" for God's name is itself replaced by "Ha-Shem" ("The Name"). The practice also has been extended to other Hebrew words associated with God. For example, the Hebrew word "Elohim," which means "God" (the title, not God's name), is pronounced "Elokim" outside of prayer and study.

In recent years, some Jews have carried the practice even further by abstaining from writing the English word "God" and substituting the spelling, "G-d" or "Gd." However, there is no prohibition in Jewish law from writing "God" in any language other than Hebrew. In fact, there is an often repeated story about Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchik, z"l, one of the foremost authorities of Modern Orthodoxy, who intentionally would write and erase the word "God" (in English) on the blackboard in front of his students at Yeshiva University in order to emphasize the fact this is not prohibited by Jewish law.

Some Reform Jews observe the custom of spelling God as "G-d." Most do not. In any case, it would be inappropriate and opposed to Jewish values to correct or shame a person for keeping this practice if it is done out of respect and reverence for God."

Me personally..I see the G_D thing,and "Yeshua",as a divisive thing.Country club.Like only for the messianics.That is just my opinion,no offense.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I just cant imagine Jesus whipping or stoning someone.

Yet,we see his own laws said to do it.

Try to imagine a man held on the ground,and Jesus draws back that whip,and begins snapping the whip 39 times,shredding a mans back open.

I cetainly can't.Maybe others can.

Jesus came pretty close to whipping some dudes in John 2

Nahum 3:2 A sound of a whip and sound of a quaking wheel and horse galloping and chariot prancing.....
[Isaiah 28 "scourge"]

YoungLT) 2:13 And the passover of the Jews was nigh, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem,
14 and he found in the temple those selling oxen, and sheep, and doves, and the money-changers sitting,
15 and having made a whip of small cords, he put all forth out of the temple, also the sheep, and the oxen; and of the money-changers he poured out the coins, and the tables he overthrew,

 

[BigNorsk]

Hi Guys,,,I am looking to see,do any of you think Jesus would pick a a whip,and whip a man 39 tmes?

Matt 5:43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

Maybe your Bible leaves out the passage about Jesus driving out the money changers from the temple.

What do you think he did, just say you guys are bad and they all jumped up and left?

I think a bit of violence was likely involved. Can you visualize the lenders running away from Jesus and he turned over their tables of money and their chairs?

Maybe it looked something like this artist's depiction?

 

[Lulav]

Why? He used himslef as an example of a judge,who would not justify the wicked,even though now he does.

To say that he does not hand out sentenses is odd at best,Is he not the judge of all?
Arent people under wrath right now? Rom 1:18.

This is where your understanding of who he was when he came is lacking. I was responding to the remark about the woman caught in adultery. The Sanhedrin were the ruling body. They were commissioned to uphold the laws, teach the laws and to judge the people regarding the keeping of the law. That is what Jesus meant when he said, 'They sit in Moses seat'. Moses was a Levite, the Levites were given this position to judge the people. Not those of the tribe of Judah.

You are confusing the time he was here on earth 2000 years ago and he who is to come.

He said this himself:

And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

He was speaking of that time and place during his ministry. The time you are speaking of with the woman was not the time, nor the place for him to sit on the Judgment throne. That is to come in the future.

Paul spoke of this way after the resurrection:

30 And the times of this ignorance G-d winked at ; but now commandeth all men every where to repent : 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained ; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

As you can see, I hope, from that last sentence is is after he is raised from the dead, not before.

 

[Frogster]

Jesus came pretty close to whipping some dudes in John 2

Nahum 3:2 A sound of a whip and sound of a quaking wheel and horse galloping and chariot prancing.....
[Isaiah 28 "scourge"]

YoungLT) 2:13 And the passover of the Jews was nigh, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem,
14 and he found in the temple those selling oxen, and sheep, and doves, and the money-changers sitting,
15 and having made a whip of small cords, he put all forth out of the temple, also the sheep, and the oxen; and of the money-changers he poured out the coins, and the tables he overthrew,

Do you think while he walked the earth,he would whip someone?
Isn't he the same yesterday,and tomorrow?

 

[Frogster]

Maybe your Bible leaves out the passage about Jesus driving out the money changers from the temple.

What do you think he did, just say you guys are bad and they all jumped up and left?

I think a bit of violence was likely involved. Can you visualize the lenders running away from Jesus and he turned over their tables of money and their chairs?

Maybe it looked something like this artist's depiction?

Does it actually say he hit them?
There were also animals that neded to go.And there is a big difference in driving them out,snapping a whip.Then holding a man on the ground,and whipping the man,or dropping large stones on a man.No?

 

[Frogster]

This is where your understanding of who he was when he came is lacking. I was responding to the remark about the woman caught in adultery. The Sanhedrin were the ruling body. They were commissioned to uphold the laws, teach the laws and to judge the people regarding the keeping of the law. That is what Jesus meant when he said, 'They sit in Moses seat'. Moses was a Levite, the Levites were given this position to judge the people. Not those of the tribe of Judah.

You are confusing the time he was here on earth 2000 years ago and he who is to come.

He said this himself:

He was speaking of that time and place during his ministry. The time you are speaking of with the woman was not the time, nor the place for him to sit on the Judgment throne. That is to come in the future.

Paul spoke of this way after the resurrection:



As you can see, I hope, from that last sentence is is after he is raised from the dead, not before.

Would Jesus do to others,what was done to him and Paul? Whipping.

try to imagine,a SINNER,being whipped,held down,and there is Jesusu,ripping open the SINNERS back.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Do you think while he walked the earth,he would whip someone?
Isn't he the same yesterday,and tomorrow?

This is interesting.
The same greek word for "sheep/flock" in John 22:15 is also used in the jewish/hebrew book of Revelation

Nahum 3:2 A sound of a whip and sound of a quaking wheel and horse galloping and chariot prancing.....
[Isaiah 28 "scourge"]

John 22:15 and having made a whip of small cords, he put all forth out of the temple, also the sheeps/probata <4263>, and the oxen and of the money-changers he poured out the coins, and the tables he overthrew,

Reve 18:13 and cinnamon [*and spices] and incenses and attars and frankincense and wine and oil and flour and grain and beasts and sheeps/probata <4263> and of horses and of *chariots and of bodies and souls of men.

 

[Lulav]

I sure hope no one is smoking in here because with all the strawmen this place could go up real fast!

 

[Frogster]

I sure hope no one is smoking in here because with all the strawmen this place could go up real fast!

well..Jesus is the same yesterday..

Well..would Jesus have flogged a sinner?

Show me on drop of proof,from his ministry.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I sure hope no one is smoking in here because with all the strawmen this place could go up real fast!

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

Rotherham) Exodus 5:7 Ye shall no more give straw unto the people, for making the bricks as heretofore: Let them go themselves, so shall they gather for themselves straw:

 

[Frogster]

I sure hope no one is smoking in here because with all the strawmen this place could go up real fast!

lol,,by the way,good joke,