Did Eve choose the tree of knowledge over God?

[betterorworse]

We have all read that a tree of Life and a tree of Knowledge were in Eden.

Did Eve decide to choose, against Gods will, the tree of knowledge?



Also, If God(Perfection) is before the tree of knowledge, is the tree of knowledge an introduction to lie's?

 

[Dave-W]

We have all read that a tree of Life and a tree of Knowledge were in Eden.

Did Eve decide to choose, against Gods will, the tree of knowledge?

Scripture says she was deceived. (2 Corinthians 11:3) She was tricked into eating.

Adam, OTOH, was NOT deceived and decided with full faculty to eat and stay with his wife rather than God.

Also, If God(Perfection) is before the tree of knowledge, is the tree of knowledge an introduction to lie's?

Not really. It was not a source of bad information, just a bad SOURCE for information. With God the source is as important as the veracity of the knowledge.

Genesis 3:11
And He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?”

 

[Sam91]

Even though decieved she chose to disobey. She quoted the rule to the serpent and serpent saying eating of it would make her like God and that God was keeping her away from that was the deception. She was deceived into thinking she would not truly die.

She still knew and chose to disobey. The difference is that she had been lured into it with a lie. Often Satan's lies sound like the truth but with some angle put on to it. That is the danger. Therefore we must hold fast onto what the Bible tells us, praying without ceasing for His wisdom because often things can sound good but be a deception.

 

[~Anastasia~]

Eve gained the knowledge of good and evil - by choosing to disobey.

She was deceived by the tempter - we often are today as well. But we still freely choose to sin, though our will is bent toward sin in a way that Eve's was not, since she had no experience or effect of it.

The difference was that Eve had no knowledge of sin, since none had been committed within the creation of man/earth up until that time, so she didn't know what it was to suffer the consequences physically, spiritually, emotionally, or mentally. But she learned.

 

[dreadnought]

We have all read that a tree of Life and a tree of Knowledge were in Eden.

Did Eve decide to choose, against Gods will, the tree of knowledge?



Also, If God(Perfection) is before the tree of knowledge, is the tree of knowledge an introduction to lie's?

According to my Bible, you left something out. It isn’t the “tree of knowledge,” but rather the “tree of the knowledge of good and evil.” My best guess is that the Lord was teaching us not to pass judgment on others.

[16] And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "You may freely eat of every tree of the garden;
[17] but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die." Gen 2:16-17 RSV

 

[Chinchilla]

Did Eve decide to choose, against Gods will, the tree of knowledge?

Eve was deceived , you need to know that she didn't see God creating animals before her in the garden while Adam did , Adam then did not want to live without her or for God to create next wife after she would die so he decided wilfully to die with her , he was not deceived .

They both sinned .

 

[Halbhh]

We have all read that a tree of Life and a tree of Knowledge were in Eden.

Did Eve decide to choose, against Gods will, the tree of knowledge?



Also, If God(Perfection) is before the tree of knowledge, is the tree of knowledge an introduction to lie's?

They both trusted the serpent over God, breaking trust, faith, with God.

The tree of the "knowledge of good and evil" means assuming to ourselves authority to judge others, which is rightfully God's place, not ours. We are not competent to judge others as people since we are not omniscient -- we never know all the situation perfectly. We can correctly judge actions, but not people themselves as persons. We are as guilty as they are (Romans 2), and at best we can try to aid others about their sins, but we must examine ourselves first, even just to merely try to aid another person in their own blindness to their own sins. (Matthew 7)

 

[betterorworse]

Eve gained the knowledge of good and evil - by choosing to disobey.

She was deceived by the tempter - we often are today as well. But we still freely choose to sin, though our will is bent toward sin in a way that Eve's was not, since she had no experience or effect of it.

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.


1 Corinthians 11:7-9 A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.


Genesis 2:22-23 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman,' for she was taken out of man."


Genesis 3:2-3
And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

 

[betterorworse]

According to my Bible, you left something out. It isn’t the “tree of knowledge,” but rather the “tree of the knowledge of good and evil.” My best guess is that the Lord was teaching us not to pass judgment on others.

[16] And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "You may freely eat of every tree of the garden;
[17] but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die." Gen 2:16-17 RSV

I agree that good knowledge is good.


However, Eve knew, that she would surely die if she ate of that tree of knowledge of good and evil. Genesis 3:2-3

 

[~Anastasia~]

Forgive me - I'm not sure what point you're making. I don't want to be rude and ignore you.

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.


1 Corinthians 11:7-9 A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.


Genesis 2:22-23 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman,' for she was taken out of man."


Genesis 3:2-3
And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

 

[betterorworse]

Forgive me - I'm not sure what point you're making. I don't want to be rude and ignore you.

Your ok. What is your question?

 

[~Anastasia~]

Your ok. What is your question?

I don't actually have a question. Just that you quoted my post then added those verses. So if you meant to say something to me - I wanted to reply. Except I wasn't sure what you were saying, so not sure how to reply.

 

[betterorworse]

You suggested that Eve did not know Gods command to not eat of the fruit, and of the consequences of eating that fruit?

 

[betterorworse]

The Holy Bible clearly say's that Eve is fully aware that she should not eat of that particular fruit.

 

[~Anastasia~]

You suggested that Eve did not know Gods command to not eat of the fruit, and of the consequences of eating that fruit?

Ah I see.

Eve did kind of quote the command God gave Adam. But she got it wrong. And if she didn't know what death was exactly, she might not have fully understood. Indeed - everything involved in the fall of creation was caused by her sin, so even though she (wrongly) quoted God's command, she couldn't have possibly known every trial, suffering, death, torment, sickness, struggle, loss - that mankind has or ever will suffer - was tied as a consequence to her action.

Even so, whatever she thought it meant, she must have either judged God's warning to be untrue, or else not so grievous - given that she succumbed to the temptation to sin.

She could have had no idea of the true consequence. Given the very name of the thing "the tree of knowledge of good and evil" ... she lacked the full understanding until after she sinned.

I hope that makes sense.

 

[betterorworse]

Ah I see.

Eve did kind of quote the command God gave Adam. But she got it wrong. And if she didn't know what death was exactly, she might not have fully understood. Indeed - everything involved in the fall of creation was caused by her sin, so even though she (wrongly) quoted God's command, she couldn't have possibly known every trial, suffering, death, torment, sickness, struggle, loss - that mankind has or ever will suffer - was tied as a consequence to her action.

Even so, whatever she thought it meant, she must have either judged God's warning to be untrue, or else not so grievous - given that she succumbed to the temptation to sin.

She could have had no idea of the true consequence. Given the very name of the thing "the tree of knowledge of good and evil" ... she lacked the full understanding until after she sinned.

I hope that makes sense.

God is surely aware of all that happened in the garden. God is able to judge righteously.

We are shown a glimpse of the results and it doesn't seem any escaped the judgement of God in that circumstance, men to work, women to give birth, serpent on it's belly...

Eve is essentially from Adam, oneness thing, his rib. Adam made by God. Both tree's made by God.

It just bring's to mind a whole different world if God didn't put a serpent in Eden and never made two tree's.

No babie's, no sin's. Adam and Eve would still be together in eternity where sin doesn't exist.

God has a perfect plan. Gods will be done.

 

[~Anastasia~]

I don't think it's quite fair to say "God put the serpent in the garden" ... though yes of course, the serpent was created by God.

"The serpent" is the tempter, Satan. Whether he appeared as a serpent, or "possessed" it, or what - we don't know. But clearly he is behind the temptation and the fall.

God created man with free will, just as He created the angels with free will. And God knew 1/3 of the angels would fall. Just as He knew mankind would fall, and take all of the material creation with him (because he was placed in a position of authority over it).

God also planned the redemption of man - and the material world again along with him, since we are "priests" over creation - though the Man Jesus was necessary to fulfill this role as High Priest, since Adam failed.

Glory to God for all things.

 

[betterorworse]

since Adam failed.

Do you believe Adam is forgiven?

 

[~Anastasia~]

Do you believe Adam is forgiven?

I would not presume to usurp the judgement of God, but Adam has good knowledge of Who God is and what happened. He had a long time to dwell on the situation and see firsthand the results - his firstborn son murdered his second. He would have been in Hades when Christ descended there to preach before the Resurrection. Yes, we believe that Adam was delivered.

But that doesn't really have to do with my statement that he failed in his priestly role over creation. Maybe man as a mere creature was simply unable to fill that role anyway. I can't know that. At any rate, God had a plan for redemption, and Christ Incarnate was that solution.

 

[Halbhh]

Ah I see.

Eve did kind of quote the command God gave Adam. But she got it wrong. And if she didn't know what death was exactly, she might not have fully understood. Indeed - everything involved in the fall of creation was caused by her sin, so even though she (wrongly) quoted God's command, she couldn't have possibly known every trial, suffering, death, torment, sickness, struggle, loss - that mankind has or ever will suffer - was tied as a consequence to her action.

Even so, whatever she thought it meant, she must have either judged God's warning to be untrue, or else not so grievous - given that she succumbed to the temptation to sin.

She could have had no idea of the true consequence. Given the very name of the thing "the tree of knowledge of good and evil" ... she lacked the full understanding until after she sinned.

I hope that makes sense.

A friendly question, or comment. To me the exact wording seems to show Adam and Eve in equal wrong in distrusting God, breaking faith --

4“You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5“For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

6When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

That Eve went first isn't key it seems to me. Adam equally choose to distrust God. So Eve wasnt more, but just equally, in this sin.