The world minus the US would be a different world.
Honestly, the US started off pretty much as expected ... and she has matured into a force for good, though not perfectly good. A penchant for forward moral progress has made this possible.
If we forsake moral progress, we're done ...
If we forsake God we are done. And this nation is forsaking God, yes the Christian God, and we are on our way out. This nation is becoming anti-Christ and we see it every day. All we have to do is read Romans 1 and we see what this nation is doing.
If we forsake God we are done. And this nation is forsaking God, yes the Christian God, and we are on our way out. This nation is becoming anti-Christ and we see it every day. All we have to do is read Romans 1 and we see what this nation is doing.
The United States is not a Christian nation. The two most powerful countries other than the US are not Christian nations. There won't be a Christian nation until Christ sets up His kingdom.
The United States is not a Christian nation. The two most powerful countries other than the US are not Christian nations. There won't be a Christian nation until Christ sets up His kingdom.
How can you tell that the nation is devolving ?Unfortunately from what I see, we're devolving and will lose the liberty we have. How long that will take and what the process will be, I'm not sure. I probably won't be alive to see it, or too old to do anything about it anyway.
How can you tell that the nation is devolving ?
This nation was not the first to come here and grow. The Spaniards, the Mexicans and the French all held land in North America that they took from the Indians. We often purchased and traded from these countries in order to expand. America did nothing different from any other nation on this planet. Which is establishing it boundaries. Sometimes natives and people's fought against them and lost the battles. The Indians that wanted to hold their lands lost the battles.
The Indians had wars against each other before that. Taking land, slaves and killing one another. Just like everyone else in this planet. The Indians were not some noble race any more than any other people's. They were fallen, wicked and evil just like everyone else who does not follow Christ.
The Indians were not just some innocent natives each tribe minding their own business living in perfect harmony and peace until the big bad white Europeans came over and took their land.
Yes we conquered them in the end. And instead of the Spaniards, French and Mexicans governing them, the western Europeans did (among others from another nations).
God apparently declared the time of the Indians in North America was over.
Did the US do everything right? Of course not. No nation does, because no nation is ever governed by completely Godly men. America is no worse than any other nation. In fact, over all it has been better. Because it has offered freedom like never seen before.
But America is turning it's back on God, and is now under his wrath.
"‘Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,’ says the Lord." Zechariah 4:6Apart from meeting the friendly tribes, the aggression of the fierce would have been beyond the strength of an early Christian settler to handle and overcome with love. They would need more than the gifts of the Spirit for that. But God wants us strong.
"‘Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,’ says the Lord." Zechariah 4:6
Matthew 5
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also. 41 And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.
Jesus teaching had to do with the individual's response. In that time, a person who was insulted
or offended, could seek compensation by getting into a duel with the offender. The slap on the cheek was the challenge to that person. The general response was to accept the challenge. Jesus instead said, turn the other cheek. In other words, do not duel.
Jesus did not instruct us to stand by and watch our wives and children tortured to death. If we can fight off an aggressor to save them, we have a moral obligation to do so. The justification for the use of violence can only be made in defense of others and only after other nonviolent means are attempted.
Also, we must weigh whether or not we can stop the aggression. Early Christians had no chance against the Roman army and many more would've have died trying to fight them. The Jews learned that lesson in 70AD when they tried to drive the Roman army out of Israel.
As you know, the Church has a standard of what constitutes a "just war".
Correct, and WWII was considered a just war, the war in Iraq was not.
BTW, the Just War Theory isn't an infallible doctrine.
However, it doesn't negate the moral responsibility in protecting the innocent when they're
under attack. No one would morally correct to standby and watch their wife and children be tortured to death.
I agree with all your comments.
One issue here is which of the many European wars/conquests against indigenous Americans were just wars.
I think the old world Christians were led astray by certain leaders. They were tricked into killing so called witches, they may not have been educated. They may not have been born again, or ever really understood love. Some peoples love to hate. They always have to have someone to hate. Jews and pogroms, Catholics versus Protestants. Punishing homosexuals and adulterers. Adultery not punished by law before homosexuals were released from liability. Terrorists and paedophiles and pederasts, geeks, Spanish and gypsies, Africans...I read that long time ago, the Red Indians were massacred by the immigrants from Europe, many of them are Christians, they justified their deed by saying that Red Indians are devil.
The remaining native Americans at least got to defend themselves against the Nazis in WW2.Just think what would have happened to the world when the 20th century came and the U.S.A. had never came to be to influence the outcomes.
That really wasn't what we were addressing. We were addressing the conquering of the Native American peoples to take their lands and their subsequent oppression.Jesus did not instruct us to stand by and watch our wives and children tortured to death. If we can fight off an aggressor to save them, we have a moral obligation to do so. The justification for the use of violence can only be made in defense of others and only after other nonviolent means are attempted.
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