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Thy speech doth betray thee. . .So what you don't have are any clear declarations of Yeshua being God.
What you've presented here is all circumstantial.
Yes, I believe as Christians ( across the board here) we have given consistent understanding of our faith to this person. The reply of one person to multiple people is always that our interpretation is subjective and that of an individual is objective.Thy speech doth betray thee. . .
Only the unbelief of a non-Christian (post #15) views the word of God in Jn 1:1, Jn 1:14, post #79 as simply circumstantial.
Which is simply the non-Christian who is unable to believe the simple and plain text of Jn 1:1, Jn 1:14.Yes, I believe as Christians ( across the board here) we have given consistent understanding of our faith to this person. The reply of one person to multiple people is always that our interpretation is subjective and that of an individual is objective.
I love John 1:1 and John 1:14.Thy speech doth betray thee. . .
Only the unbelief of a non-Christian (post #15) views the word of God in Jn 1:1, Jn 1:14, post #79 as simply circumstantial.
If you are a Christian then why does your identification say “Unitarian”? You are not Christian and do not believe Jesus Christ is God with us( Isaiah 7:14, Matthew 1:23 )and you distort the Gospel of John 1:1 which clearly states the Word is eternal ( God the Son) and the Word was with God ( the Father) and that the Word ( God, the Son). The Word ( God, the Son) became flesh ( Jesus Christ who is God the Son) in John 1:14.I love John 1:1 and John 1:14.
It says the word is God and the word was with God then lo and behold the word became flesh as a begotten Son of God. Paraphrasing in my own words of course, needs to be said in case anyone feels the need to continue misrepresenting me (i.e., I am a Christian and I do believe the word of God)
Do you believe the only One in your Trinity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit that is called the true God is the Father? The Bible says that so I believe it.
How about the gospel? Do you believe the gospel contains "Believe Jesus is God to be saved?" I don't believe that because the gospel doesn't even hint at it. But who does it say to believe? The Son of God.
Like there is a Trinitarian view of God, there is a Unitarian view of God. There is even a Binitarian view of God.If you are a Christian then why does your identification say “Unitarian”?
I genuinely don't know how you're seeing "Jesus Christ is God" anywhere in the Bible. I took a look at Isaiah 7 and it say's Immanuel is a human child that needed time to learn how to refuse evil and choose good. God is a human boy who needs time to learn to refuse evil? Where is the dual nature in that?You are not Christian and do not believe Jesus Christ is God with us( Isaiah 7:14, Matthew 1:23 )and you distort the Gospel of John 1:1 which clearly states the Word is eternal ( God the Son) and the Word was with God ( the Father) and that the Word ( God, the Son). The Word ( God, the Son) became flesh ( Jesus Christ who is God the Son) in John 1:14.
I just follow what the Bible says. That's too bad you find fault with that. Nothing about a command for people to worship him. Doesn't that support my views and not yours?You disparage worship of Jesus Christ as God yet the angels were commanded by the Father to do just that per Hebrews 1:1-8 which a fulfillment of a psalm of David. You must disparage the women who worshiped the risen Lord ( Matthew 28:9, in the overall context of Matthew 28:1-9. I guess you also disparage Thomas ( the other apostles already knew) who knew the Lord Jesus Christ is God ( John 20:28 within the overall context of John 20:24-30).
Unitarian Universalism is not what Unitarianism is. The names sounds similar, but I would be what is called a Biblical Unitarian -- meaning I believe what the Bible says about the Father being the one and only true God like Yeshua said. Unitarian Universalism is not Christianity though so that's accurate.Unitarianism is the pantheon not Christianity.
I like how you weave around solid Biblical truths; for ex. Immanuel which specifically means God with us ( not merely God is with us) exclusively in the Person of Jesus Christ previously prophesied in Isaiah 7:14 & fulfilled in Matthew 1:23. The Bible is silent on the Lord’s childhood and if Isaiah 7:14-16 refers to it, so what? Btw, your definition of Immanuel is the same as the Watchtower definition.Like there is a Trinitarian view of God, there is a Unitarian view of God. There is even a Binitarian view of God.
I genuinely don't know how you're seeing "Jesus Christ is God" anywhere in the Bible. I took a look at Isaiah 7 and it say's Immanuel is a human child that needed time to learn how to refuse evil and choose good. God is a human boy who needs time to learn to refuse evil? Where is the dual nature in that?
Isaiah 7:14-16
14Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel. 15Curds and honey He shall eat, that He may know to refuse the evil and choose the good. 16For before the Child shall know to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that you dread will be forsaken by both her kings.
and Matthew 1:23 just says the definition of the name Immanuel. It means that God is with us in this sense. God was in Yeshua:
John 14:11
11Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
I just follow what the Bible says. That's too bad you find fault with that. Nothing about a command for people to worship him. Doesn't that support my views and not yours?
Unitarian Universalism is not what Unitarianism is. The names sounds similar, but I would be what is called a Biblical Unitarian -- meaning I believe what the Bible says about the Father being the one and only true God like Yeshua said. Unitarian Universalism is not Christianity though so that's accurate.
Matthew 1:23 says the definition of the name Immanuel is "God with us." It doesn't say "Jesus is God." This isn't a JW teaching. This is literally what the Bible says.I like how you weave around solid Biblical truths; for ex. Immanuel which specifically means God with us ( not merely God is with us) exclusively in the Person of Jesus Christ previously prophesied in Isaiah 7:14 & fulfilled in Matthew 1:23. The Bible is silent on the Lord’s childhood and if Isaiah 7:14-16 refers to it, so what? Btw, your definition of Immanuel is the same as the Watchtower definition.
I am not the judge of such things, but the Bible is explicit about not worshipping people. See Paul's rebuke or worshipping people in Romans 1:23Then you can’t explain why righteous people like Mary Magdalene ( Matthew 28:9) and Thomas worshiped Jesus Christ and that Thomas clearly said, “my Lord and my God” ( John 20:28). Are they violating the 2nd commandment?( Exodus 20:3-4, Deuteronomy 5:8-9).
Not according to Scripture. According to Paul, the Spirit of God and the spirit of Christ aren't even the same spirits.“He is the Trinity-to wit, the Father and the Son begotten of the Father, and the Holy Spirit proceeding from the same Father, but one and the same Spirit of Father and Son.” St. Augustine in his book: The Enchiridion.
Oops! . . .God became a Son. . .Now there are two who are God, Father and Son.I love John 1:1 and John 1:14.
It says the word is God and the word was with God then lo and behold the word became flesh as a begotten Son of God.
I believe you are setting Scripture (which declares that Jesus is God, Jn 1:1, Jn 1:14) against itself instead of harmonizing/reconciling it with/to itself.Paraphrasing in my own words of course, needs to be said in case anyone feels the need to continue misrepresenting me (i.e., I am a Christian and I do believe the word of God)
Do you believe the only One in your Trinity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit that is called the true God is the Father? The Bible says that so I believe it.
If you can present where that is stated, I will believe it.How about the gospel? Do you believe the gospel contains "Believe Jesus is God to be saved?"
Actually, it says to believe in and trust on the person and atoning work (blood, Ro 3:25) of Jesus Christ for the remission of one's sin and right standing with God's justice (justification; i.e., forensical righteousness).I don't believe that because the gospel doesn't even hint at it. But who does it say to believe? The Son of God.
A son begotten by a father doesn’t mean the father becomes his own son. I’m sorry, that doesn’t make any sense.Oops! . . .God became a Son. . .Now there are two who are God, Father and Son.
John 1:1 says the word is God. The word “word” is a Greek word logos. It doesn’t mean Son, Jesus, or Messiah. So what is something someone is, something that’s with them, and something someone has? A spirit. God is a Spirit. John 1 is a parallel to Genesis 1 where God creates using His words and Spirit.I believe you are setting Scripture (which declares that Jesus is God, Jn 1:1, Jn 1:14) against itself instead of harmonizing/reconciling it with/to itself.
Actually, it says to believe in and trust on the person and atoning work ( blood, Ro 3:25) of Jesus Christ for the remission of one's sin and right standing with God's justice (justification; i.e., forensical righteousness).
Agreed. . .but it does mean that the son is of the same nature as the Father; i.e., divine. . .and that makes him God.A son begotten by a father doesn’t mean the father becomes his own son. I’m sorry, that doesn’t make any sense.
So who is this logos who is God and became flesh and dwelt among us, whose glory John personally saw?John 1:1 says the word is God. The word “word” is a Greek word logos. It doesn’t mean Son, Jesus, or Messiah.
Some work in ontology seems to be called for.So what is something someone is, something that’s with them, and something someone has?
Previously addressed (post #67). . ."Word" in Jn 1:1 does not mean spoken word.A spirit. God is a Spirit. John 1 is a parallel to Genesis 1 where God creates using His words and Spirit.
And "the rest of the story"?Romans 3:25 says God presented Yeshua as a sacrifice.
Remove the blinders from your eyes while you can and read John 9:1-41 & in particular read John 9:38. Do not say those who worship Jesus Christ do not worship God. Do not play games with accounts of Thomas ( John 20:24-31), Mary Magdalene etc.( Matthew 28:9 per Matthew 28:1-9) etc. This is not a game.A son begotten by a father doesn’t mean the father becomes his own son. I’m sorry, that doesn’t make any sense.
John 1:1 says the word is God. The word “word” is a Greek word logos. It doesn’t mean Son, Jesus, or Messiah. So what is something someone is, something that’s with them, and something someone has? A spirit. God is a Spirit. John 1 is a parallel to Genesis 1 where God creates using His words and Spirit.
Romans 3:25 says God presented Yeshua as a sacrifice.
And all God's people said, "AMEN!"Remove the blinders from your eyes while you can and read John 9:1-41 & in particular read John 9:38. Do not say those who worship Jesus Christ do not worship God. Do not play games with accounts of Thomas ( John 20:24-31), Mary Magdalene etc.( Matthew 28:9 per Matthew 28:1-9) etc. This is not a game.
They aren't worshipping God when they worshipped Yeshua.Remove the blinders from your eyes while you can and read John 9:1-41 & in particular read John 9:38. Do not say those who worship Jesus Christ do not worship God.
I agree this is not a game. That's exactly why I am trying to help you know who God is exactly. Yeshua is God's Son, the Messiah, the Son of Man, but not God. I do believe God thinks the Trinitarian church is precious and He does love you, but you need to know who God is. This isn't the time to keep denying it.Do not play games with accounts of Thomas ( John 20:24-31), Mary Magdalene etc.( Matthew 28:9 per Matthew 28:1-9) etc. This is not a game.
John 1:1-14 basically says God created Yeshua with words. It says he became flesh as of the only begotten of the Father. Those who are begotten haven't existed eternally, i.e., they aren't God.Agreed. . .but it does mean that the son is of the same nature as the Father; i.e., divine. . .and that makes him God.
So who is this logos who is God and became flesh and dwelt among us, whose glory John personally saw?
Some work in ontology seems to be called for.
Previously addressed (post #67). . ."Word" in Jn 1:1 does not mean spoken word.
And "the rest of the story"?
I see why you have so much trouble understanding the Scriptures. . .you will never understand them with those blinders blotting out its words; e.g., "through faith in his blood."
Grammatically it says no such thing.John 1:1-14 basically says God created Yeshua with words.
It's not complicated. . .It says he became flesh as of the only begotten of the Father. Those who are begotten haven't existed eternally, i.e., they aren't God.
I believe God is the word. The entirely different person known as the Son isn't even mentioned until John 1:14 because that's when he was begotten after God's word became flesh. I agree it's not complicated at all.Grammatically it says no such thing.
It's not complicated. . .
You simply don't believe Jn 1:1: "the Word was God.
The NT calls that unbelief.
Unbelief converses in bad faith. . .The entirely different person known as
the Son isn't even mentioned until John 1:14 because that's when he was begotten after God's word became flesh.
You believe the Word is God (Jn 1:1), then also believe the Word (who is God) became flesh (Jn 1:14) and dwelt among us.I believe God is the word.
Unbelief converses in bad faith. . .
You believe the Word is God (Jn 1:1), then also believe the Word (who is God) became flesh (Jn 1:14) and dwelt among us.
Unbelief converses in bad faith. . .John 1:14 clearly says he was begotten on the Father. Don't forget that the word is God and that humans aren't God. It's referring to Yeshua being produced by God. That's all it says.
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